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Celerity

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70. Israel's Netanyahu vows 'mighty vengeance' against Hamas
Thu May 22, 2025, 06:16 PM
May 22
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-netanyahu-vows-mighty-vengeance-against-hamas-2023-10-07/

JERUSALEM, Oct 7 (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed "mighty vengeance" against Hamas after the Palestinian militant movement launched a surprise attack on Saturday, killing more than 150 Israelis and taking numerous captives.
In a brief video address, he said Hamas would be held responsible for the well-being of the captives and said Israel would settle the score with anyone who harmed them.









Who said spirituality and ethnic cleansing don't go together? Israel is full of spiritual types who view the annihilation of the other as a form of personal growth

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2025-05-18/ty-article-magazine/.premium/destroying-gaza-with-love-israels-new-yoginazis/00000196-d3c4-d048-a7d7-dbf6c43b0000

https://archive.ph/oourq





Rivka Lafair is a "facilitator of workshops, meet-ups and group sessions on yoga themes, teacher of feminine yoga and personal development." She lives in the settlement of Shiloh in the southern West Bank and terms herself a "proud Jew" who "thinks outside the box." Lovely. Also, she also wants to annihilate and expel two million human beings in the Gaza Strip. Lafair belongs to a stream within Israeli Judaism that can be described as "YogiNazis": people whose spiritualism underpins their Nazism.

They are a relatively new sub-stratum – albeit with deep roots in the local culture – that has gained popularity since October 7, largely because of its ability to weld together concepts that, on the surface, seem like polar opposites: spirituality and annihilation, empowerment and expulsion, yoga and starvation, retreats and carpet bombing. Lafair is a person who believes that "music has the power to alter our consciousness," but also that expelling and annihilating two million Gazans begins with "altering one's consciousness." In order to succeed in this important cognitive switch, we have to understand that "we have an enemy here – whom we look in the eyes and eliminate." Yes, look them in the eyes – don't do it behind their backs, because we must be in direct and unmediated contact with those we're annihilating.



And to make it clear that by "enemy" she doesn't mean only Hamas terrorists, she clarifies: "We are committed to take revenge and destroy Gaza. From infant to old woman." She tops it off with an appropriate Bible verse: "Thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget." Lafair understands that people tend to be puzzled when facing this dissonance between spirituality and annihilation. So she in one of her videos, she has "a message to everyone who doesn't understand how it's possible to be spiritual, to teach yoga and hold retreats, whilst calling for the expulsion and annihilaSHon [sic] of your enemy."

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One day before Holocaust Remembrance Day, for example, standup comedian and satirist Gil Kopatz, who has been flirting with spirituality and religion for years, posted the following: "If you feed sharks, they eventually eat you. If you feed Gazans, they eventually eat you. I support making sharks extinct and exterminating Gazans. Reflections for Holocaust Remembrance Day 2025." After the post generated a "storm," Kopatz posted a clarification: "I don't have an ounce of compassion for the Gazans. For Arabs as a whole, yes, for human beings as a whole, yes, for sharks – no, and not for human beasts." Of course, his desire to eradicate millions of people doesn't imply he's a bad person. Indeed, "I consider myself to be a humane, liberal and moral person," he writes. To top it off, he ends the post with a bit of dark humor: "It's not genocide, it's pesticide, and its essential." A regular riot that one, eh?


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Israeli Heritage Minister: "Blow up & flatten everything [in Gaza] Simply a delight for the eyes.....

We need to talk about the day after.. We give out land plots to all those [soldiers] who have fought against Gaza over the years & to [settlers]"

Still questioning genocidal intent?

Source: Israel's Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu's FB page, openly calling for wiping out Gaza & giving it to soldiers & settlers







related:


Israeli MP Galit Distal Atbaryan Says It Clearly for World to Hear: 'Erase All of Gaza From the Face of the Earth'

https://www.commondreams.org/news/israel-gaza-genocide


Galit Distel Atbaryan, a member of the Israeli Knesset for the ruling Likud Party, is seen holding an Israeli flag.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/israel-gaza-genocide

An Israeli lawmaker from the ruling right-wing Likud Party on Wednesday offered fresh evidence that the Israeli government's aim in its bombardment of Gaza is a genocidal effort to kill or forcibly remove the more than 2 million Palestinians living there, declaring, "Gaza should be erased." With the support of the United States and other Western countries, Israel has claimed since October 7—when Hamas launched a surprise attack on southern Israel, killing as many as 1,400 people and taking more than 200 hostage—that its bombardment of Gaza is necessary to destroy the armed group, even though the IDF has repeatedly struck civilian targets and killed nearly 9,000 Palestinians so far, including over 3,500 children.

After screening a 45-minute montage of footage taken by Hamas fighters' body cameras during the October 7 attack, Knesset member and former Public Diplomacy Minister Galit Distal Atbaryan posted on Facebook that Israeli officials must invest all their energy "in one thing: erasing all of Gaza from the face of the Earth.""That the brave monsters will fly to the southern fence and enter Egyptian territory," Atbaryan continued, an apparent reference to Israel's reported plan to permanently expel Palestinians who survive the assault to Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, imposing a "second Nakba" on the population. "Or let them die... Gaza needs to be wiped out." "Revengeful and vicious IDF is required here," she continued. "Anything less than that is immoral."

Atbaryan's post signified "genocidal intent, clearly expressed," said author and former Irish Times environmental editor Frank McDonald.








Atbaryan is only the latest Israeli official to proudly announce to the world the violence the government plans to perpetrate in Gaza, both following the October 7 attack and long before the latest escalation in fighting in the region. Defense Minister Yoav Gallant called residents of Gaza, about half of whom are children, "human animals" as he ordered a "complete siege" on the enclave including a total blockade of food, fuel, and electricity. Former military officer Eliyahu Yossian said the IDF must enter Gaza "with the aim of revenge, zero morality, maximum corpses," and told Channel 14 in Israel on Monday that "there is no population in Gaza, there are 2.5 million terrorists."


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Israeli President says there are no innocent citizens in the Gaza Strip



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That stupid stupid claudette May 22 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author mcar May 22 #3
"How many innocent Gazans will Israel now kill as revenge" Richard D May 22 #31
I swear they can't help themselves cabotnn22 May 22 #50
I've yet to see them protesting mcar May 22 #63
It's certainly a window into the poster's mindset. yardwork May 22 #52
It was a question - not a statement claudette May 22 #57
The blood libel goes back (IIRC) to the Middle Ages . . . . hatrack May 23 #187
I missed that part mcar May 22 #62
Israel's Netanyahu vows 'mighty vengeance' against Hamas Celerity May 22 #70
Nice Gish Gallop Richard D May 22 #79
That is argument via ad hominem. It is not gish gallop, it is a receipt-filled, documented refutation of your claims. nt Celerity May 22 #81
Random, unsourced, unformatted screen shot are not a "refutation". lapucelle May 23 #158
Thank you for posting that claudette May 23 #181
Gish Gallop screenshot spam is somewhat less obnoxious when the spammer knows how to format photos. lapucelle May 22 #105
It took forever to get to the bottom of on my phone. yardwork May 23 #135
Yes, and so is trump, and the idiots who refused to vote for VP Harris. JohnSJ May 23 #178
Killed trying to feed starving babies. Irish_Dem May 22 #2
Make it make sense mcar May 22 #4
The world has gone crazy. Irish_Dem May 22 #18
It's tragic, attending an event to aid Gazans. brush May 22 #38
You're blaming Israel for this? Really? mcar May 22 #87
Why, of course he is, MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #89
I'm so old, I remember when we decried blaming mcar May 22 #94
Up is down, down is up, black is white, white is black. MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #95
And playing right into Trump's tiny hands mcar May 22 #97
I remember that too. EllieBC May 22 #123
I'm so old i remember ... enid602 May 23 #186
Is there comprehension problem? Read it again, I'm blaming... brush May 22 #120
For killing two Jews in DC? Beastly Boy May 23 #128
Come on, BB. You're not that naive. You know very well the horrific rise of openly antisemitic incidents... brush May 23 #130
This gentile doesn't think that's true. yardwork May 23 #134
Keep fooling yourself if you want. It's ethnic cleansing. brush May 23 #180
I think you might have responded to the wrong post. yardwork May 23 #183
Who is being naive? Beastly Boy May 23 #142
Keep fooling yourself if you want. It's ethnic cleansing. brush May 23 #179
I already did that. I looked up the working definition of ethnic cleansing. Beastly Boy May 23 #182
Pls, your lack of empathy for the victims in Gaza is showing again. brush May 23 #184
Not my utter disregard for the rule of law? Whew, I am relieved! Beastly Boy May 23 #185
yeah, absolutely, lets blame it on the Israeli Left Israeli May 23 #131
I have no shortge of targets for blame, but the Israeli Left is not one of them Beastly Boy May 23 #145
Its not about you and me Israeli May 23 #167
Sorry, I lost track of it - I had an unusual number of posts to respond to yesterday Beastly Boy May 23 #172
To the extent of blaming us for the murders of two Israelis Israeli May 23 #190
If you want me to get defensive, I will. Beastly Boy May 24 #193
Post removed Post removed May 23 #136
JHFC JustAnotherGen May 22 #5
The two murdered Israeli embassy employees were murdered . . . CaliforniaPeggy May 22 #6
Thank you Peggy mcar May 22 #11
I had to say it, my dear mcar. If I hadn't, I would have exploded in anger. Got close to that anyhow. CaliforniaPeggy May 22 #13
A great many of those slaughtered on Oct 7 . . . Richard D May 22 #33
Yes thank you for posting this DENVERPOPS May 22 #67
People on this board have referred to Hamas as freedom fighters. nt LexVegas May 22 #7
And as Mandela-like mcar May 22 #12
But how many have referred to them that way? ShazzieB May 22 #36
Yes.. I saw one yesterday and Disagreed Strongly! Cha May 22 #45
And to top it off, MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #8
That post was disgusting. nt LexVegas May 22 #9
Also, BTW, compared them to Putin lackeys. OilemFirchen May 22 #10
That was a different poster, I think. yardwork May 22 #15
Ah... OilemFirchen May 22 #20
Both are no longer members of DU. /nt yardwork May 22 #22
Damn shame. OilemFirchen May 22 #28
They have indeed. yardwork May 22 #30
It's sickening mcar May 22 #14
Really? AloeVera May 22 #16
From WaPo: mcar May 22 #17
There's a pay wall Mossfern May 22 #19
Gift article: yardwork May 22 #21
Thanks mcar May 22 #27
Thank you for the link. AloeVera May 22 #24
Your vague handwringing is noted. yardwork May 22 #26
Good heavens! mcar May 22 #29
Why indeed.... yardwork May 22 #32
That's about the size of it mcar May 22 #34
It's right there. yardwork May 22 #35
According to their website: AloeVera May 22 #37
Here's some truth from an eyewitness mcar May 22 #39
I'm at a loss as to why that is a problem. yardwork May 22 #41
Do you really not understand? AloeVera May 22 #44
What a bizarre post. yardwork May 22 #51
Jeebus. AloeVera May 22 #74
.... MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #76
It sure is. AloeVera May 22 #86
And you've been doing your darndest to deflect or hijack the thread instead of staying on the OP's MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #88
Looked to me TommyT139 May 22 #108
That poster says that the WaPo article was "poorly fact checked." yardwork May 23 #144
I also went to the sponsoring org sites TommyT139 May 23 #165
Do you much about diplomacy? yardwork May 23 #174
Have a wonderful weekend. TommyT139 May 23 #176
Seems like there are a few folks here deeply invested in scoffing lapucelle May 23 #189
Yes. I saw all that too. yardwork May 24 #191
It's so weird that the poster who insisted that it was a Jewish cultural event -- lapucelle May 24 #192
It looks like some folks didn't bother to do the homework before issuing dismissive pronouncements. lapucelle May 23 #188
Orwellian.... 58Sunliner May 22 #102
Having read thru your posts at this thread, I can see that you are concerned. Very, very concerned. Hekate May 22 #75
I suggest you watch Nicole Wallace's 1st segment mcar May 22 #65
I can pretty much guarantee that it won't. MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #78
I know mcar May 22 #85
You make it sound like charitable work and fostering unity and celebrating Jewish heritage are mutually exclusive. Beastly Boy May 22 #73
So the truth is that the murderer was at a Jewish event to hunt Jews. lapucelle May 22 #109
Of course that's the obvious retort. AloeVera May 22 #114
Yes, the truth is pretty obvious: the Jew-hating murderer who bellowed "Free, free Palestine" lapucelle May 22 #116
The operative word is "Palestine". And "Gaza". AloeVera May 22 #122
The word you chose was operative to a Jew hater who killed two random Jews. Beastly Boy May 23 #129
She really has outdid herself this time hasn't she. MarineCombatEngineer May 23 #133
Yet there are Muslim States Mossfern May 23 #126
This is a great question, mcar May 23 #147
Yup Mossfern May 23 #148
I think there's another reason for it mcar May 23 #149
Maybe the "pro-Pal" movement should stop conflating Jewishness with Israel. yardwork May 23 #139
A stickler for truth? MarineCombatEngineer May 23 #132
More from the article, including the name of the speaker. yardwork May 22 #43
That's odd. Are we looking at the same article as in the o/p? AloeVera May 22 #46
That's the topic of this subthread. yardwork May 22 #47
The article has been updated. AloeVera May 22 #60
Like you, I prefer researching to truly understand and make my thoughts about something so close to my Nanjeanne May 22 #58
Thank you. AloeVera May 22 #61
It's easy to grasp. It's just that some people will twist into pretzels to ration out compassion for Nanjeanne May 22 #64
Are you talking about compassion for the two victims of this murder? yardwork May 22 #84
I am talking about compassion for all innocent victims including these two young victims. Nanjeanne May 22 #90
Not only removed, but PPR'd also, MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #92
You see compassion for these two Mossfern May 22 #99
Yes and I think buts are not necessary. In this thread or in the threads about the Gazans dying. Nanjeanne May 22 #113
I hear you Israeli May 23 #138
Bless you. She was a force. As is Women for Peace. Nanjeanne May 23 #140
Always a "but" mcar May 22 #96
Seems to me then that the murderer who shrieked "Free, free Palestine" is a Jew-hater lapucelle May 22 #110
Did you research who the keynote speakers at the event were? lapucelle May 22 #112
Sorry I didn't respond immediately. Ive had you on ignore for such a long time and only saw this Nanjeanne May 22 #115
So when someone logs out and then logs back in, they see responses from folks on their ignore list? N/T lapucelle May 22 #117
That had me ROFLing. OilemFirchen May 22 #121
Yes if you aren't signed in you can see everyone's response. Saw yours. Signed in and removed you from ignore Nanjeanne May 23 #137
What I do know is that if someone is not logged in, there is no "My Posts" tab on the home page. lapucelle May 23 #150
That is so true. Good for you. But you do know your own name and can recognize it when you read a thread Nanjeanne May 23 #154
Did you know there was a response to you via the "bat signal" you wrote about? lapucelle May 23 #161
God I love you. I'll never put you on ignore again. So entertaining! Nanjeanne May 23 #162
I log in every time and the one DUer I have on ignore stays on ignore. yardwork May 23 #141
I think you are still not understanding. If you aren't logged in NOONE can be on ignore since ignore is tied Nanjeanne May 23 #151
I wasn't responding to you. yardwork May 23 #153
Sorry! It's gotten so complicated I think I've landed in some alter universe. Nanjeanne May 23 #156
Well, it doesn't have to be that complicated. yardwork May 23 #175
My post about it getting complicated was about Ignore Lists, Signing Out, Seeing posts. It had Nanjeanne May 23 #177
I just tried what you suggested, and you are correct, MarineCombatEngineer May 23 #155
Whew never thought it was going to turn I to a thing! Nanjeanne May 23 #157
LOL. MarineCombatEngineer May 23 #159
And there is no "My Posts" tab if you're not logged. lapucelle May 23 #152
If you're not logged in, MarineCombatEngineer May 23 #160
Yes I know. But the poster wrote about some sort of "bat signal" that goes out lapucelle May 23 #163
Ah, ok, I misunderstood your post. MarineCombatEngineer May 23 #164
Uh reading the thread. You know your screen name Doncha? Nanjeanne May 23 #166
Did a bat signal go out or did you take me off ignore? N/T lapucelle May 23 #169
As I said I can't ignore you. You are so entertaining and make me laugh. We all need some of that! Nanjeanne May 23 #170
He targeted the 2 people who were attending the event, MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #106
Quoting from wapo: AloeVera May 22 #107
So the argument is that he focused on a Jewish event at a Jewish museum, but it wasn't anti-Semitic attack lapucelle May 22 #118
He was targeting Zionism. AloeVera May 22 #124
He was definitely targeting specific people. Mosby May 22 #125
Then he is the lousiest shot I've ever seen. Beastly Boy May 23 #127
Where did you read that the "Zionist state" made the Jew-hating murderer "lose his mind"? lapucelle May 23 #168
But according to you, that article was "poorly fact checked." yardwork May 23 #146
it's devastating Dorian Gray May 22 #23
It's a pretty simple decision, really. yardwork May 22 #25
Implying that the murders are justified Mblaze May 22 #40
Funny how that works, isn't it? mcar May 22 #42
So Heartbreaking, mcar. 💙 Cha May 22 #48
I'm so sad about it mcar May 22 #66
Oy yeah... it's Unfathomable.. Cha May 22 #69
And those that cheered it are being shown the door. MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #71
YES! And, one not so Cha May 22 #72
Please share to my DU mail? Hekate May 22 #77
Will Do.. gladly Cha May 22 #80
🥳 Hekate May 22 #82
Could you share some of that good news here too? 😜 tritsofme May 22 #101
Yes, Forthwith! Cha May 22 #103
Aim: destroy opportunity for dialogue and cooperation Bad Thoughts May 22 #49
That does seem to be the purpose of this assassination. yardwork May 22 #54
Reddit thinks the shooting was a false flag Bonx May 22 #53
Of course they do Richard D May 22 #55
And a majority are indifferent or support the murders Bonx May 22 #59
Not surprising in the least and there are those that will eat this up. MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #83
I saw one of the organizers of the event on MSNBC senseandsensibility May 22 #56
And just after the murders, people inside welcomed the killer without knowing he was the murderer and was concerned Solly Mack May 22 #68
True humanitarians mcar May 22 #98
They were trying to do good. That said, had Gazan aid never been stopped, they would be alive today or at least not Jit423 May 22 #91
And if HAMAs had stayed on their side of the border, MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #93
How hard can it be to just say this is tragic mcar May 22 #100
As hard as it is to say that the murderer was motivated by anti-Semitism. N/T lapucelle May 22 #119
The deaths of this couple is heartbreaking. madaboutharry May 22 #104
I see it two ways. yardwork May 23 #143
I always appreciate those with a half full glass view of things. madaboutharry May 23 #171
Which I rarely have! yardwork May 23 #173
Murder bad. (n/t) Iggo May 22 #111
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