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Sympthsical

(10,729 posts)
47. But doesn't that bother you?
Fri May 16, 2025, 01:37 PM
May 2025

And I do understand that, as an administrator, you are in a much different position than me jumping in at random and wilding.

Setting aside DU, because I do understand you have policies in place for reasons, I'm talking about our side in general. Yes, Biden stayed in when he shouldn't have. But everyone kind of pretended that the vast majority of Democratic voters weren't screaming in poll after poll that this was a terrible idea. Then there were the denials of the obvious things. Then the insistence that you had to live in the fantasy.

I don't like being gaslit. I don't like being lied to. I don't like being told I have to pretend true things are not. If we must embrace large scale (and immediately obvious to everyone) lies, we've gone seriously wrong.

The topic we're addressing is candidates for 2028 and how their views on what happened color their fitness for consideration.

Yes, I want candidates who can look at 2024 and say, "This was terrible. This was a mistake. This was a very, no good, galactically terrible idea, and we shouldn't have done it."

Bare minimum. I know it sets many people off here something fierce, that there remains a collective difficulty in some quarters in acknowledging the reality of what happened. But isn't that a pretty big problem? This inability to not even acknowledge that there was a problem at all? How can we course correct and avoid future mistakes if people insist that they don't see the problem?

Fortunately, we do have a lot of 2028 potentials who seem ready and willing to acknowledge these things. But, as far as your position goes, you're going to end up watching them get torn down here one by one because anything outside of a vigorously disproved narrative is anathema.

This isn't good for the party. And I want us to win, damnit. The country needs us to win. If Donald Trump is the danger we claim he is - and I do believe he is uniquely dangerous in this moment - then we have to act like it and start getting serious. The election's over. The fantasy can be let go.

The fantasy must be let go.

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F@#k 'em. sinkingfeeling May 2025 #1
I know. This really gets me. FalloutShelter May 2025 #29
Politico is garbage displacedvermoter May 2025 #2
The Biden/honesty about his health thing has been applegrove May 2025 #4
And the Trump blabbering about sharks and Arnold Palmer's displacedvermoter May 2025 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author displacedvermoter May 2025 #9
All the bs about Hillary Clinton's emails SocialDemocrat61 May 2025 #24
What a lot of white wash baloney. Biophilic May 2025 #3
Sounds like Politico is ginning up a fight int the DNC. Fuck Politico and those who end up buying into this fake thing. marble falls May 2025 #5
You don't think democrats want to know their leaders are on applegrove May 2025 #8
As Democrats we'd better all be on the same page as Joe Biden without a fucking hairpull. It's done and we're in the ... marble falls May 2025 #10
Not if that page is disrespecting a very good President. travelingthrulife May 2025 #54
Who came up with this "Litmus Test for 2028 Contenders"? sop May 2025 #6
F Litmus Tests Starbeach May 2025 #39
And Democrats keep falling right in line to lap it up. Why? travelingthrulife May 2025 #55
Yep M$M did uponit7771 May 2025 #60
Funny, Republicans had no such litmus test when it came to Jan 6 newdeal2 May 2025 #11
They're going after Biden because he was reversing Reaganomics. yardwork May 2025 #12
That is a good reason for Democrats to say they softened applegrove May 2025 #16
Biden was functioning efficiently as president. yardwork May 2025 #19
Yes. But he acted aged. And that was not attractive applegrove May 2025 #21
In other words, "Vibes." Vibes cultivated by a press that hated Biden because he was 'boring' emulatorloo May 2025 #22
It wasn't just that he was boring. Self Esteem May 2025 #42
What does that even mean? It sounds ageist to me. n/t valleyrogue May 2025 #37
People say that Social Security/Medicare are the "third rail" Bettie May 2025 #28
I read that there's a tipping point when a society has too many ultra-wealthy people. yardwork May 2025 #31
And we definitely have ultra wealthy people Bettie May 2025 #33
In the meantime, a dictator and his minions mcar May 2025 #13
Politico catapulting the right wing PR story of the week Prairie Gates May 2025 #14
Indeed -- a litmus test entirely created by the media EarlG May 2025 #15
Thank you..... Lovie777 May 2025 #20
Well said. emulatorloo May 2025 #23
Part of our problem in 2024 was we spent a good part of the time telling ourselves to not believe are eyes. Renew Deal May 2025 #27
Literally nobody said that Biden won the debate Prairie Gates May 2025 #32
Here's one Renew Deal May 2025 #35
... Prairie Gates May 2025 #38
I think it was a series of cascading failures EarlG May 2025 #36
There's a difference between navel-gazing and being able to admit obvious things Sympthsical May 2025 #43
We played the hand we were dealt EarlG May 2025 #46
But doesn't that bother you? Sympthsical May 2025 #47
If we're addressing the candidates for 2028 EarlG May 2025 #50
Our current president is fascinated by the word "groceries," and LeftinOH May 2025 #17
OH, FUCK THIS SHIT. Tommy Carcetti May 2025 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Renew Deal May 2025 #25
That is an excuse. I will vote for no Democrat in any primary who attacks Biden Demsrule86 May 2025 #26
Biden's positive numbers were in the low 40s. They never went up. applegrove May 2025 #48
Ditto. W_HAMILTON May 2025 #49
Sadly, this will be Biden's legacy Fiendish Thingy May 2025 #30
Speak for yourself. Paladin May 2025 #56
Let's see how his legacy is viewed in 10-20 years Fiendish Thingy May 2025 #57
That's nonsense framing. Democrats don't think like that ecstatic May 2025 #34
This victim stuff has to stop, now! ananda May 2025 #40
I have other litmus tests. BannonsLiver May 2025 #41
HEY BIDEN-BASHERS usonian May 2025 #44
According to who? Jake Fucking Tapper? Jeff Bezos? Jesse Watters? Jeanine "Box Wine" Pirro? hatrack May 2025 #45
Contenders should say "Biden was a good President. End of story. I'm not taking sides but leaving it to historians." .nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2025 #51
We need to stop acting like a bunch of rock band groupies. everyonematters May 2025 #52
Oh, for fuck's sake. What a crock. Scrivener7 May 2025 #53
It's quickly becoming my own litmus test for good-faith conversations. Torchlight May 2025 #58
Sounds like bullshit to me Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2025 #59
This will be unpopular.... Xolodno May 2025 #61
Every Democrat needs to be told DO NOT PLAY THEIR GAME. We need to stop this madness NOW Hekate May 2025 #62
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