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In reply to the discussion: Biden Becomes Litmus Test for 2028 Contenders [View all]Sympthsical
(10,729 posts)And I do understand that, as an administrator, you are in a much different position than me jumping in at random and wilding.
Setting aside DU, because I do understand you have policies in place for reasons, I'm talking about our side in general. Yes, Biden stayed in when he shouldn't have. But everyone kind of pretended that the vast majority of Democratic voters weren't screaming in poll after poll that this was a terrible idea. Then there were the denials of the obvious things. Then the insistence that you had to live in the fantasy.
I don't like being gaslit. I don't like being lied to. I don't like being told I have to pretend true things are not. If we must embrace large scale (and immediately obvious to everyone) lies, we've gone seriously wrong.
The topic we're addressing is candidates for 2028 and how their views on what happened color their fitness for consideration.
Yes, I want candidates who can look at 2024 and say, "This was terrible. This was a mistake. This was a very, no good, galactically terrible idea, and we shouldn't have done it."
Bare minimum. I know it sets many people off here something fierce, that there remains a collective difficulty in some quarters in acknowledging the reality of what happened. But isn't that a pretty big problem? This inability to not even acknowledge that there was a problem at all? How can we course correct and avoid future mistakes if people insist that they don't see the problem?
Fortunately, we do have a lot of 2028 potentials who seem ready and willing to acknowledge these things. But, as far as your position goes, you're going to end up watching them get torn down here one by one because anything outside of a vigorously disproved narrative is anathema.
This isn't good for the party. And I want us to win, damnit. The country needs us to win. If Donald Trump is the danger we claim he is - and I do believe he is uniquely dangerous in this moment - then we have to act like it and start getting serious. The election's over. The fantasy can be let go.
The fantasy must be let go.
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