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EarlG

(23,056 posts)
36. I think it was a series of cascading failures
Fri May 16, 2025, 10:28 AM
May 16

As soon as Biden announced he was seeking re-election -- and to be fair, he probably felt good at the time, he was the incumbent president, and he'd already beaten Trump once -- the wheels were set in motion and there was no turning back.

Being in the moment-to-moment of the campaign, Biden's team didn't reach a point where they felt that what they were seeing crossed a line serious enough to abruptly abandon their efforts, until it was practically done for them. The slow but increasing drip of criticism created the "frog in a pot of water with the heat being slowly turned up" scenario, in which the frog doesn't jump out of the pot until it's too late. During that entire process, Democratic politicians were being forced to take sides.

I'm sure most of the people who publicly called for Biden to step down during the campaign genuinely believed that he wasn't up to it. But the unprecedented, hyper-political nature of the thing, during a hyper-political point on the calendar, allowed the media to revel in the "Dems in disarray" narrative -- which, to be fair, we were! -- and forced all of our prominent politicians and media figures to have to label themselves as either a team player or a ship-jumper. That was a choice that absolutely nobody wanted to have to make.

So I don't think there was any single cause other than simply Biden's decision to run again -- which I'm sure he felt was the right decision at the time -- that then turned into the pretty much unstoppable chain of events we saw play out.

But ultimately, my original point was who cares? Obviously I do, because I just wrote a bunch of paragraphs about it. But I don't want to care. It's old news -- I don't think there's anything much to learn from it. It's not like it was a set of circumstances that will be repeated any time soon.

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F@#k 'em. sinkingfeeling May 16 #1
I know. This really gets me. FalloutShelter May 16 #29
Politico is garbage displacedvermoter May 16 #2
The Biden/honesty about his health thing has been applegrove May 16 #4
And the Trump blabbering about sharks and Arnold Palmer's displacedvermoter May 16 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author displacedvermoter May 16 #9
All the bs about Hillary Clinton's emails SocialDemocrat61 May 16 #24
What a lot of white wash baloney. Biophilic May 16 #3
Sounds like Politico is ginning up a fight int the DNC. Fuck Politico and those who end up buying into this fake thing. marble falls May 16 #5
You don't think democrats want to know their leaders are on applegrove May 16 #8
As Democrats we'd better all be on the same page as Joe Biden without a fucking hairpull. It's done and we're in the ... marble falls May 16 #10
Not if that page is disrespecting a very good President. travelingthrulife May 19 #54
Who came up with this "Litmus Test for 2028 Contenders"? sop May 16 #6
F Litmus Tests Starbeach May 16 #39
And Democrats keep falling right in line to lap it up. Why? travelingthrulife May 19 #55
Yep M$M did uponit7771 May 19 #60
Funny, Republicans had no such litmus test when it came to Jan 6 newdeal2 May 16 #11
They're going after Biden because he was reversing Reaganomics. yardwork May 16 #12
That is a good reason for Democrats to say they softened applegrove May 16 #16
Biden was functioning efficiently as president. yardwork May 16 #19
Yes. But he acted aged. And that was not attractive applegrove May 16 #21
In other words, "Vibes." Vibes cultivated by a press that hated Biden because he was 'boring' emulatorloo May 16 #22
It wasn't just that he was boring. Self Esteem May 16 #42
What does that even mean? It sounds ageist to me. n/t valleyrogue May 16 #37
People say that Social Security/Medicare are the "third rail" Bettie May 16 #28
I read that there's a tipping point when a society has too many ultra-wealthy people. yardwork May 16 #31
And we definitely have ultra wealthy people Bettie May 16 #33
In the meantime, a dictator and his minions mcar May 16 #13
Politico catapulting the right wing PR story of the week Prairie Gates May 16 #14
Indeed -- a litmus test entirely created by the media EarlG May 16 #15
Thank you..... Lovie777 May 16 #20
Well said. emulatorloo May 16 #23
Part of our problem in 2024 was we spent a good part of the time telling ourselves to not believe are eyes. Renew Deal May 16 #27
Literally nobody said that Biden won the debate Prairie Gates May 16 #32
Here's one Renew Deal May 16 #35
... Prairie Gates May 16 #38
I think it was a series of cascading failures EarlG May 16 #36
There's a difference between navel-gazing and being able to admit obvious things Sympthsical May 16 #43
We played the hand we were dealt EarlG May 16 #46
But doesn't that bother you? Sympthsical May 16 #47
If we're addressing the candidates for 2028 EarlG May 16 #50
Our current president is fascinated by the word "groceries," and LeftinOH May 16 #17
OH, FUCK THIS SHIT. Tommy Carcetti May 16 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Renew Deal May 16 #25
That is an excuse. I will vote for no Democrat in any primary who attacks Biden Demsrule86 May 16 #26
Biden's positive numbers were in the low 40s. They never went up. applegrove May 16 #48
Ditto. W_HAMILTON May 16 #49
Sadly, this will be Biden's legacy Fiendish Thingy May 16 #30
Speak for yourself. Paladin May 19 #56
Let's see how his legacy is viewed in 10-20 years Fiendish Thingy May 19 #57
That's nonsense framing. Democrats don't think like that ecstatic May 16 #34
This victim stuff has to stop, now! ananda May 16 #40
I have other litmus tests. BannonsLiver May 16 #41
HEY BIDEN-BASHERS usonian May 16 #44
According to who? Jake Fucking Tapper? Jeff Bezos? Jesse Watters? Jeanine "Box Wine" Pirro? hatrack May 16 #45
Contenders should say "Biden was a good President. End of story. I'm not taking sides but leaving it to historians." .nt Bernardo de La Paz May 16 #51
We need to stop acting like a bunch of rock band groupies. everyonematters May 16 #52
Oh, for fuck's sake. What a crock. Scrivener7 May 16 #53
It's quickly becoming my own litmus test for good-faith conversations. Torchlight May 19 #58
Sounds like bullshit to me Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 19 #59
This will be unpopular.... Xolodno May 19 #61
Every Democrat needs to be told DO NOT PLAY THEIR GAME. We need to stop this madness NOW Hekate May 19 #62
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