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27. Part of our problem in 2024 was we spent a good part of the time telling ourselves to not believe are eyes.

Fri May 16, 2025, 09:33 AM

May 16

This is just the response to that.

The debate was bad, yet we had people telling us Biden "won." It's been reported that Biden's team was worried about him, which is why they wanted an early debate. It would give them room to replace him if it went bad. I remember this being reported through the Pod Save America guys, and possibly others.

We need to stop the head in the sand stuff when it comes to 2024. Biden was the better candidate over Trump. Kamala was better than Biden at the time on paper. If Biden was brave enough to step away in 2023, we would have had a much better chance in 2024. Unfortunately, we see very few people that are willing to let go of power, and that has dire costs.

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Biden Becomes Litmus Test for 2028 Contenders [View all] applegrove May 16 OP

F@#k 'em. sinkingfeeling May 16 #1

I know. This really gets me. FalloutShelter May 16 #29

Politico is garbage displacedvermoter May 16 #2

The Biden/honesty about his health thing has been applegrove May 16 #4

And the Trump blabbering about sharks and Arnold Palmer's displacedvermoter May 16 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author displacedvermoter May 16 #9

All the bs about Hillary Clinton's emails SocialDemocrat61 May 16 #24

What a lot of white wash baloney. Biophilic May 16 #3

Sounds like Politico is ginning up a fight int the DNC. Fuck Politico and those who end up buying into this fake thing. marble falls May 16 #5

You don't think democrats want to know their leaders are on applegrove May 16 #8

As Democrats we'd better all be on the same page as Joe Biden without a fucking hairpull. It's done and we're in the ... marble falls May 16 #10

Not if that page is disrespecting a very good President. travelingthrulife May 19 #54

Who came up with this "Litmus Test for 2028 Contenders"? sop May 16 #6

F Litmus Tests Starbeach May 16 #39

And Democrats keep falling right in line to lap it up. Why? travelingthrulife May 19 #55

Yep M$M did uponit7771 May 19 #60

Funny, Republicans had no such litmus test when it came to Jan 6 newdeal2 May 16 #11

They're going after Biden because he was reversing Reaganomics. yardwork May 16 #12

That is a good reason for Democrats to say they softened applegrove May 16 #16

Biden was functioning efficiently as president. yardwork May 16 #19

Yes. But he acted aged. And that was not attractive applegrove May 16 #21

In other words, "Vibes." Vibes cultivated by a press that hated Biden because he was 'boring' emulatorloo May 16 #22

It wasn't just that he was boring. Self Esteem May 16 #42

What does that even mean? It sounds ageist to me. n/t valleyrogue May 16 #37

People say that Social Security/Medicare are the "third rail" Bettie May 16 #28

I read that there's a tipping point when a society has too many ultra-wealthy people. yardwork May 16 #31

And we definitely have ultra wealthy people Bettie May 16 #33

In the meantime, a dictator and his minions mcar May 16 #13

Politico catapulting the right wing PR story of the week Prairie Gates May 16 #14

Indeed -- a litmus test entirely created by the media EarlG May 16 #15

Thank you..... Lovie777 May 16 #20

Well said. emulatorloo May 16 #23

Part of our problem in 2024 was we spent a good part of the time telling ourselves to not believe are eyes. Renew Deal May 16 #27

Literally nobody said that Biden won the debate Prairie Gates May 16 #32

Here's one Renew Deal May 16 #35

... Prairie Gates May 16 #38

I think it was a series of cascading failures EarlG May 16 #36

There's a difference between navel-gazing and being able to admit obvious things Sympthsical May 16 #43

We played the hand we were dealt EarlG May 16 #46

But doesn't that bother you? Sympthsical May 16 #47

If we're addressing the candidates for 2028 EarlG May 16 #50

Our current president is fascinated by the word "groceries," and LeftinOH May 16 #17

OH, FUCK THIS SHIT. Tommy Carcetti May 16 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Renew Deal May 16 #25

That is an excuse. I will vote for no Democrat in any primary who attacks Biden Demsrule86 May 16 #26

Biden's positive numbers were in the low 40s. They never went up. applegrove May 16 #48

Ditto. W_HAMILTON May 16 #49

Sadly, this will be Biden's legacy Fiendish Thingy May 16 #30

Speak for yourself. Paladin May 19 #56

Let's see how his legacy is viewed in 10-20 years Fiendish Thingy May 19 #57

That's nonsense framing. Democrats don't think like that ecstatic May 16 #34

This victim stuff has to stop, now! ananda May 16 #40

I have other litmus tests. BannonsLiver May 16 #41

HEY BIDEN-BASHERS usonian May 16 #44

According to who? Jake Fucking Tapper? Jeff Bezos? Jesse Watters? Jeanine "Box Wine" Pirro? hatrack May 16 #45

Contenders should say "Biden was a good President. End of story. I'm not taking sides but leaving it to historians." .nt Bernardo de La Paz May 16 #51

We need to stop acting like a bunch of rock band groupies. everyonematters May 16 #52

Oh, for fuck's sake. What a crock. Scrivener7 May 16 #53

It's quickly becoming my own litmus test for good-faith conversations. Torchlight May 19 #58

Sounds like bullshit to me Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 19 #59

This will be unpopular.... Xolodno May 19 #61

Every Democrat needs to be told DO NOT PLAY THEIR GAME. We need to stop this madness NOW Hekate May 19 #62