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53. Is he really? Where were they in 2024? Listening to joe rogan? Where were these same demographics in

Tue May 13, 2025, 11:19 AM

May 2025

2000 and 2016?

They are the future? If they didn't even realize what a threat trump was the second time in 2024, especially after what happened on January 6th, that doesn't say very much.

Yeah, they will be the future, but anyone who believes they will be the "saviors" of our democracy I think is only fooling themselves.

2024 was the make or break for everything, and they, among others did not materialize when it counted.

We have lost the Supreme Court for a generation. Even if we were fortunate to win the midterms in 2026, and that is a big if for the Senate, the best that we can hope for is to slow down the damage, because trump and his thugs will be with us for at least 4 years. Even if we had the votes to impeach, which we won't, it won't get rid of the extreme right wing agenda, because the line of succession is made up of right wing thugs. Vance, Johnson, and the pro tempore of the Senate.

The ONLY way we have a chance is to follow the Howard Dean 50-state strategy, and that means getting independents on board. That includes ALL demographics.

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I think it would be a big mistake if the DNC got rid of David Hogg. [View all] kentuck May 2025 OP

That is an understatement malaise May 2025 #1

Agreed. MWLib May 2025 #129

100+ InAbLuEsTaTe May 2025 #151

Another unforced error by the DNC lostnfound May 2025 #184

I agree! nt lark May 2025 #2

K&R spanone May 2025 #3

Totally agree 👍 Emile May 2025 #4

He's a talent. bucolic_frolic May 2025 #5

We need numbers. murielm99 May 2025 #15

Coincidentally ... krkaufman May 2025 #17

I stand by what I said. murielm99 May 2025 #20

AND people who know something about politics and winning elections stopdiggin May 2025 #65

I agree to a point dflprincess May 2025 #34

Democratic Party can flip seats and replaces ineffective incumbents. PufPuf23 May 2025 #163

Yep - hands off the CBC JustAnotherGen May 2025 #41

Democrats run against Democrats ALL The Time. .. littlemissmartypants May 2025 #60

this is about using 'party' apparatus (and funding) stopdiggin May 2025 #71

Looks like some straight up bickering. ... littlemissmartypants May 2025 #76

Incumbent democrats that are empty suits... FarPoint May 2025 #63

Selective districts V850i May 2025 #109

He is only proposing running against incumbents is safe districts. I agree 100%. If you are not fighting for the Pisces May 2025 #159

Agree 100% onlyadream May 2025 #183

Totally agree DownriverDem May 2025 #140

We hear that every election. PufPuf23 May 2025 #161

Because that works so well ... nt TBF May 2025 #106

It did when AOC primaried a useless incumbent. Shipwack May 2025 #130

That was my point - TBF May 2025 #189

Oh, ok... :) nt Shipwack May 2025 #192

I hope he teaches the old system new tricks. Because the old has had it chance. usaf-vet May 2025 #112

I think that's the piece folks are missing - TBF May 2025 #194

Agree. Railroading him out would be incredibly stupid. Maru Kitteh May 2025 #6

Another own goal! Go team! Ponietz May 2025 #7

Yes, David running Democrats against Democrats is an own goal bottomofthehill May 2025 #27

It's an own goal either way get it? Ponietz May 2025 #30

Why put old school Democrats back in who want to compromise and self-preserve? lees1975 May 2025 #56

Very simple, that is not the way to take back anything bottomofthehill May 2025 #58

that is the mantra. problem is, as often as it is repeated - it's not very convincing stopdiggin May 2025 #74

Ah, baloney. lees1975 May 2025 #148

again - a nice speech. "change!" "bold moves" "gridlock" "hanging on to their seats" stopdiggin May 2025 #150

Exactly! Gimpyknee May 2025 #167

Term limits is the DOGE approach to firing people: MadameButterfly May 2025 #177

Term limits? Cirsium May 2025 #193

Lol. That's what we've been doing, no? KPN May 2025 #75

It's called a primary and it happens all the time. Cuthbert Allgood May 2025 #131

Big money donors timms139 May 2025 #72

Agree !!!! Karadeniz May 2025 #8

Agree Easterncedar May 2025 #9

Exactly! EmmaLee E May 2025 #57

He is the future and the OLD GUYS and GALs need to start realizing they have to start working with them. Fla Dem May 2025 #10

If he is the future, let him put his name on the ballot in Florida bottomofthehill May 2025 #29

Agreed - and don't forget - Malcom Kenyatta JustAnotherGen May 2025 #42

Absolutely, he has put his name on the ballot bottomofthehill May 2025 #43

Or start with races like school boards where he would be a good fit. LisaM May 2025 #49

Totally agree bottomofthehill May 2025 #51

He hasn't lived in FL for many years Arazi May 2025 #61

OK, I am with you, Trauma is real bottomofthehill May 2025 #64

Do we like carpetbaggers now? Arazi May 2025 #79

So we think it a good idea to follow a 25 year old bottomofthehill May 2025 #86

I think he's proposing new ideas Arazi May 2025 #88

What I am actually saying is that bottomofthehill May 2025 #89

I think the current moment demands new strategy Arazi May 2025 #95

Yeah, you tell those youngsters to get Bettie May 2025 #99

Exactly. I'd rather have an old-school Democrat than a young woman that's all mouth and no action. Walleye May 2025 #67

The older ones need to start training Linda ladeewolf May 2025 #40

only one member in their 20s uponit7771 May 2025 #101

I'm 82. I hope AOC runs against Schumer. Hogg says he doesn't want to run for public office. 3Hotdogs May 2025 #11

You may like the idea of it but bottomofthehill May 2025 #46

OK, Dan Goldman then tishaLA May 2025 #142

I love that you think of Dan Goldman as a moderate. bottomofthehill May 2025 #145

Yet, they probably will. They do not seem to have a long-term strategy to win; just a short term... Ol Janx Spirit May 2025 #12

At some point those who oppose gun violence will outnumber NRA nuts IronLionZion May 2025 #13

Would have thought the same re: Choice krkaufman May 2025 #18

More young people turn 18 every day. Lots of potential new voters IronLionZion May 2025 #24

Demographics are on our side now. Doesn't really do us any good. Walleye May 2025 #69

I agree Puppyjive May 2025 #14

I agree, and with the low approval rating of current democrats, its time for some changes sboatcar May 2025 #39

Totally agree. He's a bridge to the youth vote, no matter how he presents his views. ancianita May 2025 #16

Hard pass. Oopsie Daisy May 2025 #19

He is part of a group already that raised millions JI7 May 2025 #21

Someone needs to tell him that the object is to replace Republicans with Democrats!! Oopsie Daisy May 2025 #113

Like hiring an exterminator for a rat problem and they think the job is to exterminate YOU! betsuni May 2025 #170

I seen this post earlier. Blue Full Moon May 2025 #22

Everyone needs to contact the DNC idahoblue May 2025 #23

I used to agree with this sentiment Gingermolly May 2025 #25

"brash, full of himself, shallow, and a bit of a grifter .. " stopdiggin May 2025 #80

James Carville? Bernie? Gavin Newsom? Bill Clinton? Arazi May 2025 #98

So - no cause for concern then? Gotcha! stopdiggin May 2025 #127

Certainly cause for concern but anyone playing political games is "brash" Arazi May 2025 #133

Agree. It shows they are not capable of negotiating a positive outcome. travelingthrulife May 2025 #26

I think we need to give Kalyn Free a chance to be heard JustAnotherGen May 2025 #28

Yes, I agree. pinkstarburst May 2025 #31

In my opinion... kentuck May 2025 #32

The DNC seems to be more interested in fighting Democrats than Trump and his Autumn May 2025 #33

Also, I think the 29% approval rating for the Party... kentuck May 2025 #35

One would think so but the status quo must be maintained. No matter what. nt Autumn May 2025 #45

I seldom disagree with you... kentuck May 2025 #48

Dems low approval rating is because so many Dems are attempting to maintain the Autumn May 2025 #110

You've got that right! ReRe May 2025 #171

They're doing nothing but simply banking on winning the House by default in '26 - but they might find a 29% approval Midwestern Democrat May 2025 #155

Then that's something they have in common with Hogg-type progressives! W_HAMILTON May 2025 #103

The DNC has nothing in common with any type of Progressive. Autumn May 2025 #108

Yeah, bullshit. W_HAMILTON May 2025 #116

I would argue it is actually that the US doesn't know what the left is. Cuthbert Allgood May 2025 #132

And Hillary, "Single-payer health care will "never, ever" happen" Autumn May 2025 #186

Yes, the redefinition of the word means anti-establishment populist "Us" versus the Democratic establishment "Them." betsuni May 2025 #175

Or the Progressives see themselves as a separate part of the party Cuthbert Allgood May 2025 #200

Yes ILikePie92 May 2025 #36

We we need new thinking, in addition to new blood. Kid Berwyn May 2025 #37

What are his qualifications? A victim of a mass shooting, an advocate JohnSJ May 2025 #38

David Hogg is energizing and part of the future Wild blueberry May 2025 #44

Is he really? Where were they in 2024? Listening to joe rogan? Where were these same demographics in JohnSJ May 2025 #53

organize Paul-EM May 2025 #47

Still think it was duplicitous of him to run for yorkster May 2025 #50

Duplicitous is my issue with him. We are here because of divisiveness. More of it isn't a solution. live love laugh May 2025 #122

I agree with you. OLDMDDEM May 2025 #52

Agreed al bupp May 2025 #54

The idea of being a party nominee for life, no matter how you perform, is ridiculous. Yes to Hogg! Doodley May 2025 #55

Yeah, go ahead shove them out. It doesn't matter if they've been effective or not. They are old they gotta go Walleye May 2025 #70

and that is the kind of shallow 'strategy' that many perceive (and oppose) stopdiggin May 2025 #81

yes and whatever et tu May 2025 #59

I totally agree... FarPoint May 2025 #62

I agree 👍 TommieMommy May 2025 #66

Narcissism Abundance77 May 2025 #68

Post removed Post removed May 2025 #73

On spot. It could kill us in '26! Gotta get the corporate money lovers out so we can get money out of our elections n/t Cheezoholic May 2025 #78

I don't see how "getting money out of our elections" is possible for the foreseeable future. LauraInLA May 2025 #87

No it won't. Oopsie Daisy May 2025 #125

Don't you realize how hard he makes it to peer wearily over one's glasses? Orrex May 2025 #77

This infighting does NOT serve the Democratic Party peggysue2 May 2025 #82

Agree, thanks for the direct post. NT bcbink May 2025 #83

Disagree Meowmee May 2025 #84

Sorry, but David Hogg Mountainguy May 2025 #85

Re-building the Democratic Party into what? It's a political party. betsuni May 2025 #90

"Dems have abandoned men who just want to 'get laid and have fun,' " CaptainTruth May 2025 #91

said a mouthful there. stopdiggin May 2025 #180

He's probably more dangerous outside than he is in. Renew Deal May 2025 #92

Hogg's recent comments are disturbing Cirsium May 2025 #93

+1. That is a really, REALLY bad look. pretty toxic in fact. stopdiggin May 2025 #128

Not sure Cirsium May 2025 #137

sorry for any confusion. No, clearly Hogg is speaking directly off a Republican stopdiggin May 2025 #143

Thanks Cirsium May 2025 #144

Yes, instead of calling out the bs he is playing into it JI7 May 2025 #187

What makes you think he'd lose the revote? nt SunSeeker May 2025 #94

Fully agree! mzmolly May 2025 #96

As a 71 year old white male.... WVreaper May 2025 #97

It would be fair if they primaried every incumbent Kaleva May 2025 #111

As I recall, there was zero support here at the time for primary opponents against Joe Biden's reelection MichMan May 2025 #190

People tend to support primary challenges only in certain situations Kaleva May 2025 #196

Which is why I disagree with you that every incumbent should be primaried MichMan May 2025 #197

That was tongue in check Kaleva May 2025 #198

Agreed uponit7771 May 2025 #100

Big mistake. It echoes the major flubbing with dumping Joe Biden. That hurt Harris' chances badly. marble falls May 2025 #102

If he stayed in, it would have eliminated Harris' chances. SunSeeker May 2025 #105

How many votes did she get in the first round? questionseverything May 2025 #123

Well exactly. Seems like Hogg will win the re-vote. SunSeeker May 2025 #138

I think she is saying, she would win the woman slot? questionseverything May 2025 #153

There are TWO seats available. If she gets one, there's still one for Hogg or Kenyatta. SunSeeker May 2025 #166

Kenyatta did way better last time questionseverything May 2025 #172

But did Kenyatta get more votes than Hogg? nt SunSeeker May 2025 #173

Almost 100 more questionseverything May 2025 #178

Kenyatta got 100 more votes than Hogg? SunSeeker May 2025 #179

Kenyetta got 298 votes and hogg 214.5 votes questionseverything May 2025 #182

completely agree! mike_c May 2025 #104

I couldn't agree more. What they are doing looks dirty. He's not playing the game so they are taking him out Pisces May 2025 #107

are they talking about doing that? barbtries May 2025 #114

I agree OldDem1 May 2025 #115

Hogg's situation aside, I do want to know why our leadership now insists on acting like fucking Karasu May 2025 #117

We're acting like Republicans by allowing a Native American woman her due process... W_HAMILTON May 2025 #119

I'm actually with you on that SPECIFIC issue, hence why I said I'm not defending Hogg specifically. Karasu May 2025 #120

How many votes did she get in the first vote? questionseverything May 2025 #124

Sets a bad precedent manicdem May 2025 #118

I agree wholeheartedly. I was lambasted for saying this, but I think they should have made a point of LauraInLA May 2025 #136

I'm not seeing much urgency at all MichMan May 2025 #154

That's my point. This flawed election has now created a huge kerfuffle that will inevitably leave someone LauraInLA May 2025 #165

I agree. aintitfunny May 2025 #121

His marketing team should be fired. Festivito May 2025 #126

And Harris was a communist. Cuthbert Allgood May 2025 #134

Yep Faux pas May 2025 #135

K&R red dog 1 May 2025 #139

The party rules need to be complied with LetMyPeopleVote May 2025 #141

Thank you for clearing this up Pompoy May 2025 #174

ANYBODY B.See May 2025 #146

david v goliath orchidlady May 2025 #147

Completely agree. We NEED the youth input. nt Exp May 2025 #149

He was pathetic in his appearance with Bill Maher Pompoy May 2025 #152

Well... gotta agree with you there. B.See May 2025 #158

Bravo! Yes to everything you said. He was very bad on an MSNBC segment Nixie May 2025 #168

Insanity... OC375 May 2025 #156

Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote May 2025 #195

I agree wendyb-NC May 2025 #157

100% mahina May 2025 #160

But the DNC has specialized in "pretty big mistakes" for quite a few years, no ? Jack Valentino May 2025 #162

David Hogg doesn't need the DNC. The new Democratic party is going to be a grassroots effort. flashman13 May 2025 #164

I Agree proud patriot May 2025 #169

He may not be the right young leader. RandySF May 2025 #176

Malcolm Kenyatta is only 34. The re-vote for the 2nd seat will be between Kenyatta and Hogg. nt SunSeeker May 2025 #181

Again, the money is trying to take control. Don't let them. Mr.WeRP May 2025 #185

Do you think Kalyn Free and Malcom Kenyatta are for billionaires? SunSeeker May 2025 #199

I agree, but he can't fight other Democrats oldmanlynn May 2025 #188

Can the Democratic Party walk and chew gum at the same time? lonely bird May 2025 #191

Malcolm Kenyatta is on MSNBC now saying Hogg needs to stop Nixie May 2025 #201