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reACTIONary

(6,435 posts)
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 10:06 AM Feb 2025

Rahm Emanuel: Democrats have become the party of permissiveness. That's ballot box poison.

https://wapo.st/4hgzAFR

“The Honeymooners.” “The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet.” “Leave It to Beaver.” In campaign ads and rhetorical flourishes, Democrats are prone to conjuring fuzzy images of married couples sitting at their kitchen table struggling to cover their monthly bills. “Kitchen table” issues remain, at least in my party’s mind, shorthand for middle-class economic struggles.

In real life, however, tight family budgets aren’t the only challenges folks discuss in the kitchen. Democrats too often refuse to address anything beyond what they’re comfortable discussing — and our obvious discomfort talking about those other worries makes voters very uncomfortable.

Here’s the reality: The shrinking number of families who still make time to eat together chew the fat on a broad range of topics — who the kids are befriending, how all teenagers’ are preoccupied with social media, whether it’s safe to walk past various homeless encampments, who’s moving in and out of the neighborhood, and what’s being taught at the local schools.
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Rahm Emanuel: Democrats have become the party of permissiveness. That's ballot box poison. (Original Post) reACTIONary Feb 2025 OP
K&R Think. Again. Feb 2025 #1
So instead of talking about the economy we should be spreading fear doc03 Feb 2025 #2
Not instead.... reACTIONary Feb 2025 #6
Why would anyone still be listening justaprogressive Feb 2025 #3
Because we just lost all three elective institutions and.... reACTIONary Feb 2025 #7
Everything that is "bad" has to be laid at the feet of Republicans and Trumpism, it has to be simple, NoMoreRepugs Feb 2025 #4
Democrats are the party of permissiveness? choie Feb 2025 #5
With such a flawed opponent we should have .... reACTIONary Feb 2025 #8
For just a start: To never listen to the likes of Rahm Emmanuel again. choie Feb 2025 #9
No thanks, I'd like for the Democrats to win again. Elessar Zappa Feb 2025 #11
OK - Who should we be listening to? reACTIONary Feb 2025 #12
We ate Emanuel long ago. Probably a mistake, but who knows? Silent Type Feb 2025 #10
"Permissiveness" is a synonym for "freedom". surrealAmerican Feb 2025 #13
Not exactly.... reACTIONary Feb 2025 #14
Which Democrat tolerate criminal violations? Elessar Zappa Feb 2025 #15
Democrats are regularly accused of being..... reACTIONary Feb 2025 #17
Yeah. Aristus Feb 2025 #16
Unfortunately, that is, indeed, the impression... reACTIONary Feb 2025 #18
Good grief. NewHendoLib Feb 2025 #19

doc03

(37,873 posts)
2. So instead of talking about the economy we should be spreading fear
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 10:18 AM
Feb 2025

about whom is moving next door, whether it is safe to walk by a homeless camp and what they are teaching in school.
All the analyses I have heard it was the economy and inflation. He thinks we should be spreading even more fear of the "other".
He is full of s--t

reACTIONary

(6,435 posts)
6. Not instead....
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 11:41 AM
Feb 2025

.... in addition to the economy, we do have to address people's other concerns. For instance, having to explain, deflect, and tip-toe around "defund the police" was not helpful, and it is still being used against us.

reACTIONary

(6,435 posts)
7. Because we just lost all three elective institutions and....
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 11:43 AM
Feb 2025

.... haven't been doing too well with the Supreme Court?

NoMoreRepugs

(11,359 posts)
4. Everything that is "bad" has to be laid at the feet of Republicans and Trumpism, it has to be simple,
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 10:38 AM
Feb 2025

sorry but most Americans are too dumb to understand anything other than that IMO. Angry old man rant over.

choie

(5,530 posts)
5. Democrats are the party of permissiveness?
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 10:46 AM
Feb 2025

The republicans support and bow down to a convicted felon, corrupt, unethical, amoral racist. And WE'RE the party of permissiveness? That is just the biggest bunch of bullshit. And as one DUer responded (I'm paraphrasing) why the FUCK are we listening to this compromised, third way asshole?

reACTIONary

(6,435 posts)
8. With such a flawed opponent we should have ....
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 11:54 AM
Feb 2025

... won by a landslide. The felon's win was not convincing, he just barely scraped by, but given your characterization, he shouldn't have come close.

Assuming you want to win elections, what would be your suggestions?

choie

(5,530 posts)
9. For just a start: To never listen to the likes of Rahm Emmanuel again.
Sun Feb 2, 2025, 12:20 PM
Feb 2025

Nor Bill Clinton, nor Terry Mcauliffe, nor Bob Shrum.

surrealAmerican

(11,628 posts)
13. "Permissiveness" is a synonym for "freedom".
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 09:59 AM
Feb 2025

Do we need to against freedom to "win"?
If we "win" in that way, it's exactly the same as losing.

reACTIONary

(6,435 posts)
14. Not exactly....
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 11:29 AM
Feb 2025

.... Permissiveness, as used pejoratively, includes toleration of criminal violations, that is, being soft on crime. Obviously criminal conduct is not what we mean when we speak of freedom.

But you are right in that some folks think that civil rights amount to permissiveness.

reACTIONary

(6,435 posts)
17. Democrats are regularly accused of being.....
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 09:16 PM
Feb 2025

.... "soft on crime". And it's largely our own fault.

The slogan "defund the police" came from our quarter. Many democrats, rather than just call it bullshit, excuseed it through attenuating justifications that it really meant this or that or the other thing. To which those who originated the slogan maintained that, no, it actually, really means defund the police.

I'm not sure if you have encountered it, but right here on DU we have folks who insist dogmatically that ACAB. I bet you know what that stands for, but if you don't there is a wiki article you can refer to. That certainly isn't a helpful stance in electoral politics, and it is one that taints our candidates.

Bill Clinton, who, in this very thread has been denigrated, responded to concerns about rising crime by promising to hire 100,000 police officers. And after years of progressives sneering at law enforcement, he rebuffed Sister Souljah for celebrating race-based violence. And here we are sneering at him, one of only two Democratic presidents since FDR to be reelected, because he wasn't soft on crime.

Being soft on crime is an example of the permissiveness that we are yoked with, and criminal behavior has nothing to do with freedom.

Aristus

(70,055 posts)
16. Yeah.
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 08:07 PM
Feb 2025

I didn't vote for a convicted felon for President. A felon who ran so that he could stay out of prison. Yeah. We're the permissive ones...

reACTIONary

(6,435 posts)
18. Unfortunately, that is, indeed, the impression...
Mon Feb 3, 2025, 09:23 PM
Feb 2025

.... of much of the electorate. It is easy for the opposition to cast us as "soft on crime" and that is not without reason.

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