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Bernardo de La Paz

(58,317 posts)
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 09:59 AM Thursday

Does PPI lead and CPI lag?

PPI was down Wednesday and today CPI is up. Historically, is PPI more of a leading indicator than CPI? Or is the PPI yesterday a blip of some kind that will come back so that PPI and CPI move more together again?

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Does PPI lead and CPI lag? (Original Post) Bernardo de La Paz Thursday OP
Generally yes FBaggins Thursday #1
Thanks. You are right. Too easy for one month to be a blip. Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #4
Leading, Lagging, and Coincident Indicators (PPI is not listed in any category) Wiz Imp Thursday #2
Thx. So we see CPI for Services is lagging and no PPI. I guess they use the other manufacturing indicators. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Thursday #3

Bernardo de La Paz

(58,317 posts)
4. Thanks. You are right. Too easy for one month to be a blip.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:05 PM
Thursday

If the surveys behind the numbers have a 95% confidence, we can expect one in 20 months (on average) to be bonkers.

Wiz Imp

(7,077 posts)
2. Leading, Lagging, and Coincident Indicators (PPI is not listed in any category)
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 11:36 AM
Thursday

Leading indicators are indicators that usually, but not always, change before the economy as a whole changes. The Conference Board publishes a composite Leading Economic Index consisting of ten indicators designed to predict activity in the U. S. economy six to nine months in future.

1 Average weekly hours (manufacturing)
2 Average weekly initial jobless claims for unemployment insurance
3 Manufacturers' new orders for consumer goods/materials
4 Vendor performance (slower deliveries diffusion index) measured by a monthly survey from the National Association of Purchasing Managers (NAPM).
5 Manufacturers' new orders for non-defense capital goods
6 Building permits for new private housing units.
7 Stock prices of 500 common stocks
8 Leading Credit Index
9 Interest rate spread (10-year Treasury vs. Federal Funds target)
10 Index of consumer expectations — The data for this component comes from the University of Michigan's Survey Research Center, and is released once a month.

Lagging indicators are indicators that usually change after the economy as a whole does. Typically the lag is a few quarters of a year.

1 The average duration of unemployment (inverted)
2 The value of outstanding commercial and industrial loans
3 The change in the Consumer Price Index for services
4 The change in labour cost per unit of output
5 The ratio of manufacturing and trade inventories to sales
6 The ratio of consumer credit outstanding to personal income
7 The average prime rate charged by banks

Coincident indicators change at approximately the same time as the whole economy, thereby providing information about the current state of the economy. There are four economic statistics comprising the Index of Coincident Economic Indicators:

1 Number of employees on non-agricultural payrolls
2 Personal income less transfer payments
3 Industrial production
4 Manufacturing and trade sale

The Philadelphia Federal Reserve produces state-level coincident indexes based on 4 state-level variables:

1 Nonfarm payroll employment
2 Average hours worked in manufacturing
3 Unemployment rate
4 Wage and salary disbursements deflated by the consumer price index (U.S. city average)



Bernardo de La Paz

(58,317 posts)
3. Thx. So we see CPI for Services is lagging and no PPI. I guess they use the other manufacturing indicators. . . . nt
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 11:52 AM
Thursday
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