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reACTIONary

(6,873 posts)
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 02:07 PM 5 hrs ago

Hegseth order on first Caribbean boat strike, officials say: Kill them all

Source: WaPo, No Paywall, Registration Required

As two men clung to a stricken, burning ship targeted by SEAL Team 6, the Joint Special Operations commander followed the defense secretary’s order to leave no survivors.

The alleged traffickers pose no imminent threat of attack against the United States and are not, as the Trump administration has tried to argue, in an “armed conflict” with the U.S., these officials and experts say. Because there is no legitimate war between the two sides, killing any of the men in the boats “amounts to murder,” said Todd Huntley, a former military lawyer who advised Special Operations forces for seven years at the height of the U.S. counterterrorism campaign.

Even if the U.S. were at war with the traffickers, an order to kill all the boat’s occupants if they were no longer able to fight “would in essence be an order to show no quarter, which would be a war crime,” said Huntley, now director of the national security law program at Georgetown Law.

Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Massachusetts), a Marine Corps veteran and vocal Trump critic who received a classified briefing from Pentagon officials on the strikes in late October with other members of the House Armed Services Committee said, “Mark my words: It may take some time, but Americans will be prosecuted for this, either as a war crime or outright murder.”

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Hegseth order on first Caribbean boat strike, officials say: Kill them all (Original Post) reACTIONary 5 hrs ago OP
So fucking cruel. He and Trump just horrible human beings. sueh 5 hrs ago #1
Hegseth is sick BlueWaveNeverEnd 5 hrs ago #2
Crimes against humanity mcar 5 hrs ago #3
Has to be the Hague Sedona 5 hrs ago #4
I really doubt prosecutions will ever happen. drray23 5 hrs ago #5
Kegsbreath doing what Nazis did is not at all surprising. Hugin 4 hrs ago #6
How can they defend the indefensible? BattleRow 3 hrs ago #15
Time to reconvene popsdenver 5 min ago #37
That link is still behind a paywall; D. Spaulding 4 hrs ago #7
It's not behind a paywall. Ms. Toad 4 hrs ago #9
Archive link IronLionZion 4 hrs ago #10
It requires registration, not monitary payment..... reACTIONary 3 hrs ago #16
Some day we may have Nuremburg style trials for these A-holes IronLionZion 4 hrs ago #8
We are not at war, to kill the survivors of the boat bombings is horrific. Irish_Dem 4 hrs ago #11
Let alone to bomb it at all. reACTIONary 3 hrs ago #17
The US military is guilty of murdering innocent civilians. Irish_Dem 3 hrs ago #18
Is there video, or will this be heresay? Who reported this? Bayard 4 hrs ago #12
There were many sources for the full story reACTIONary 3 hrs ago #24
So does military training... El Mimbreno 4 hrs ago #13
I am not a military lawyer lapfog_1 3 hrs ago #14
Glad this incident is getting attention, but the truth is EVERY SINGLE ATTACK off the coast of Venezuela is murder and a Fil1957 3 hrs ago #19
If Venezula fight back, Trump gets his war Attilatheblond 2 hrs ago #26
Why is it Mr. Evil 3 hrs ago #20
Obama ZDU 3 hrs ago #25
I hope Representative Moultan words come true. Gimpyknee 3 hrs ago #21
Hegseth, War Criminal ZDU 3 hrs ago #22
So, Hegseth is SO desperate to keep his job he will order military to commit murder to give Trump a boner? Attilatheblond 3 hrs ago #23
And there it is Aviation Pro 2 hrs ago #27
We have plenty of military muscle to capture these boats without killing all on board and destroying all evidence.... If Norrrm 2 hrs ago #28
Illegal order, should have disobeyed Blues Heron 2 hrs ago #29
"Mark my words: It may take some time, but Americans will be prosecuted for this sheshe2 2 hrs ago #30
Hope he has a date with the Hague. Traitor to the Constitution. Congress? Evolve Dammit 2 hrs ago #31
Cold blooded murder! red dog 1 40 min ago #32
Everyone down the line can be subject to prosecution NH Ethylene 27 min ago #33
sounds like murder. Sadly military has historically had very few ramifications for these "actions." Evolve Dammit 21 min ago #34
It may not technically be able to be designated as a "war crime" Wiz Imp 16 min ago #35
"Premeditated Murder" red dog 1 16 min ago #36

drray23

(8,541 posts)
5. I really doubt prosecutions will ever happen.
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 02:47 PM
5 hrs ago
Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Massachusetts), a Marine Corps veteran and vocal Trump critic who received a classified briefing from Pentagon officials on the strikes in late October with other members of the House Armed Services Committee said, “Mark my words: It may take some time, but Americans will be prosecuted for this, either as a war crime or outright murder.”


I do not believe for a second our country will do the right thing after we wrestle control of it back from Trump and MAGATS. There will be so much stuff to do to rebuild it that this will be very low in the priority list. Dozens of people will get away for war crimes, corruption and other crimes.

Hugin

(37,195 posts)
6. Kegsbreath doing what Nazis did is not at all surprising.
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 02:57 PM
4 hrs ago

There’s no justification possible for an action such as this. I am going to guess that some, such as Kelly were aware of it and that’s why they made the video. Tantrum Tito and Kegsbreath’s subsequent actions were trying to get out in front of it because they knew it was eventually going to come out.

I doubt this was an isolated incident. There were reports of survivors on subsequent strikes being picked up and whisked off. What is their status?

popsdenver

(1,156 posts)
37. Time to reconvene
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 07:43 PM
5 min ago

The Nuremberg Court and trials.........

I guess those SEAL TEAM SIX members thought it was a LAWFUL ORDER/????? BULLSHIT
My opinion of the U.S. Navy Seals has now hit the bottom of the barrel............

All of those involved in the U.S. Navy who participated in any of this, should be court marshaled,
And Trump, His CABAL, Republican Senators, and Republican House Members as well as the Republicans on the U.S. Supreme Court should all be rounded up and sent to the Hague.....

And all of them, all the way up to Trump can't use the excuse 'I was just following orders".....all the NAZI's tried claiming that........and it didn't work.......

Ms. Toad

(38,022 posts)
9. It's not behind a paywall.
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 03:32 PM
4 hrs ago

But it does require a free account.

Go to archive.li and paste the URL and it will let you see it without providing an email address.

reACTIONary

(6,873 posts)
16. It requires registration, not monitary payment.....
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 04:34 PM
3 hrs ago

... this sort or enterprise investigative reporting not only is costly, it is increasingly risky and dangerous. Give them some support and sign up for a "free" account.

Irish_Dem

(78,297 posts)
11. We are not at war, to kill the survivors of the boat bombings is horrific.
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 03:38 PM
4 hrs ago

This is first degree murder.

Bayard

(27,993 posts)
12. Is there video, or will this be heresay? Who reported this?
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 03:39 PM
4 hrs ago

"Just following orders," is not going to get it. I'm glad Sen. Kelly and company made their video.

reACTIONary

(6,873 posts)
24. There were many sources for the full story
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 04:46 PM
3 hrs ago

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth gave a spoken directive, according to two people with direct knowledge of the operation. “The order was to kill everybody,” one of them said.

The elite counterterror group SEAL Team 6 led the attack, according to four people with direct knowledge of the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing sensitive operations.

SEAL Team 6, known formally as Naval Special Warfare Development Group and under JSOC command, conducted the intelligence collection and targeting for this attack and several others, according to two people.

If the video of the blast that killed the two survivors on Sept. 2 were made public, people would be horrified, said one person who watched the live feed.

In briefing materials provided to the White House, JSOC reported that the “double-tap,” or follow-on strike, was intended to sink the boat and remove a navigation hazard to other vessels — not to kill survivors, according to another person who saw the report.

In subsequent strikes on alleged traffickers that left no survivors, the U.S. military has also fired multiple missiles to remove boats from the waterways, several people familiar with the matter said.

lapfog_1

(31,482 posts)
14. I am not a military lawyer
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 03:50 PM
3 hrs ago

but EVEN if these men were legitimate enemy combatants and HAD fired on US Navy forces before their boat was blown up...

I think it is still a war crime to execute them while they are holding onto pieces of their blown up boat.



Fil1957

(432 posts)
19. Glad this incident is getting attention, but the truth is EVERY SINGLE ATTACK off the coast of Venezuela is murder and a
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 04:39 PM
3 hrs ago

war crime. Even the destruction of the submarine which likely WAS transporting drugs is murder and a war crime.

Hope he and the other sick bastards responsible for these crimes get serious prison time. It's the only way this murderous madness is going to stop.

Attilatheblond

(7,919 posts)
26. If Venezula fight back, Trump gets his war
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 04:49 PM
2 hrs ago

Just like abusing people in the US until somebody fights back and he declares it's an insurrection and gets him magic powers to just kill people.

The GOP better face reality and impeach/convict the lot of this administration NOW.

Mr. Evil

(3,421 posts)
20. Why is it
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 04:39 PM
3 hrs ago

when someone is given a title or position of power, usually one of the first things they do is inflict pain and suffering. In Kegsbreath's case... death. Why? History has borne this out. When was the last time anyone was given a title or position of power and they immediately began to do great beneficial things? One thing I've learned is that you never give a drunk and/or rapist a position of power.

This is our Secretary of Defense.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA1w2pu7.img?w=1200&h=675&m=4&q=89


Attilatheblond

(7,919 posts)
23. So, Hegseth is SO desperate to keep his job he will order military to commit murder to give Trump a boner?
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 04:46 PM
3 hrs ago

And the military is OK with this? Blackest day for the US in a very long time.

Off to the Hague for the lot of them!

Aviation Pro

(15,122 posts)
27. And there it is
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 04:50 PM
2 hrs ago

Murder charges and no immunity for you, you tabless, fucking, failed infantry officer.

And I wouldn’t count on a pardon from the Couch Fucker after the fucking pedophile goes horizontal.

Norrrm

(3,561 posts)
28. We have plenty of military muscle to capture these boats without killing all on board and destroying all evidence.... If
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 05:06 PM
2 hrs ago

We have plenty of military muscle to capture these boats without killing all on board and destroying all evidence.... If evidence of the drugs exists.

sheshe2

(95,069 posts)
30. "Mark my words: It may take some time, but Americans will be prosecuted for this
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 05:16 PM
2 hrs ago

Aaron Rupar
@atrupar.com‬
“Mark my words: It may take some time, but Americans will be prosecuted for this, either as a war crime or outright murder.”

“Mark my words: It may take some time, but Americans will be prosecuted for this, either as a war crime or outright murder.”

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-11-28T20:37:21.795Z

Evolve Dammit

(21,358 posts)
34. sounds like murder. Sadly military has historically had very few ramifications for these "actions."
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 07:27 PM
21 min ago

Wiz Imp

(8,374 posts)
35. It may not technically be able to be designated as a "war crime"
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 07:32 PM
16 min ago

But it absolutely a Crime Against Humanity.

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