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riversedge

(78,944 posts)
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 05:32 AM Nov 21

Ukraine banned from Nato, Russia readmitted to the G8 and territory ceded: what's in Trump's draft plan

Source: the guardian


Volodymyr Zelenskyy says he expects to discuss the plan – which was reportedly drafted by Russian and US officials – with Trump

Guardian staff and agencies Thu 20 Nov 2025 22.11 EST


Donald Trump’s latest plan for ending the war in Ukraine would see territory ceded to Russia, Russia readmitted to the G8 and Ukraine banned from joining Nato, according to drafts of the proposal seen by Axios, AFP and the Associated Press.

Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he expected to discuss the plan with Trump “in coming days,” adding any deal must bring a “dignified peace” with “respect for our independence, our sovereignty.”

The cautious response from Ukraine’s presidential administration stood in contrast to the outrage at the plan from some Ukrainian officials who called it “absurd” “capitulation” and the effective end of its existence as an independent country

The plan appears to repeat Moscow’s maximalist demands and violate numerous Ukrainian red lines and would require an about-turn from Zelenskyy, who has said giving up territory would be unacceptable. It would also probably be deemed unacceptable by Ukraine’s European allies, who have long insisted that they should be given a role in the peace talks given the broader implications of the settlement for the continent’s security, particularly on Nato’s eastern flank.








Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/21/trump-ukraine-peace-plan-zelenskyy-territory-ceded-nato-russia-g8?CMP=share_btn_url



Unless I am really mistaken, it does not look like Ukraine was involved in so-called "Trump Peace Plan"!!

The plan was reportedly drafted by Russian and US officials, including the influential head of Russia’s sovereign wealth fund, Kirill Dmitriev, who has been involved in previous talks on Ukraine and is known to be in touch with the US special envoy Steve Witkoff.

The plan was reportedly drafted by Russian and US officials, including the influential head of Russia’s sovereign wealth fund, Kirill Dmitriev, who has been involved in previous talks on Ukraine and is known to be in touch with the US special envoy Steve Witkoff.

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/n...

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Ukraine banned from Nato, Russia readmitted to the G8 and territory ceded: what's in Trump's draft plan (Original Post) riversedge Nov 21 OP
The world must step up to the plate and help Ukraine. Irish_Dem Nov 21 #1
I second that emotion. yellow dahlia Nov 21 #28
I have such tremendous respect for this man. llmart Nov 21 #2
ananda's astute political prediction ananda Nov 21 #3
That is an absurd plan ck4829 Nov 21 #4
Why does Putin keep winning? Puppyjive Nov 21 #5
Putin is not winning...he is desperate...hopes Trump will save him... Demsrule86 Nov 21 #24
No way Putin's winning. It's only nuke power puffery by the felon & his boss. Zelenskyy always listens, then refuses. ancianita Nov 21 #25
Fuck that shit... 2naSalit Nov 21 #6
Yes, indeed RazorbackExpat Nov 21 #17
Not a peace plan: it's a statement of surrender. sinkingfeeling Nov 21 #7
"Ukraine banned from Nato, Russia readmitted to the G8 and territory ceded: what's in Putin's draft plan" Ray Bruns Nov 21 #8
this evil Russian puppet administration can go to hell with this non-starter BS LymphocyteLover Nov 21 #9
No fracking way.. slightlv Nov 21 #10
If I were Zelenskyy, there would be absolutely no way I would agree to a ban from NATO! OldBaldy1701E Nov 21 #11
"Peace" plan drafted by Putin, and Putin's Orange Asset, without Ukraine's participation? Martin Eden Nov 21 #12
If infectious boil pus could assume human form.... LPBBEAR Nov 21 #13
Zelenskyy's reply Aviation Pro Nov 21 #14
How is it for the US to Decide Anything? angrychair Nov 21 #15
Trump is so good at losing he has become a consultant. twodogsbarking Nov 21 #16
TrumPutin is tag teaming against Ukraine. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Nov 21 #18
NO to Dumphf, and Putin! Stay strong, President Zelenskyy! electric_blue68 Nov 21 #19
Trump's "plan" is DOA. Martin68 Nov 21 #20
Yes! If he tries this, I think even the MAGAs will want him out FakeNoose Nov 21 #21
He gives Russia everything they want. Happy Hoosier Nov 21 #22
This is nothing but a reward for Russia blue-wave Nov 21 #23
This "peace plan" needs to be quickly rejected and Europe needs to pick up its material and financial support. Borogove Nov 21 #26
Saying Russian officials and Trump ... sleroy49 Nov 21 #27

Irish_Dem

(78,317 posts)
1. The world must step up to the plate and help Ukraine.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 05:40 AM
Nov 21

Europe especially must do what they can to stop Putin or they will be speaking Russian before this is all over.

llmart

(17,187 posts)
2. I have such tremendous respect for this man.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 05:48 AM
Nov 21

He has been an amazing leader for his people and doesn't ask anything of his fellow countrymen that he wouldn't do or sacrifice himself. Yes, Europe needs to step up more to help him defeat Putin.

Puppyjive

(902 posts)
5. Why does Putin keep winning?
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 06:44 AM
Nov 21

Trump is a traitor. He needs to be impeached now. They will find the connection. It's just a matter of time.

Demsrule86

(71,457 posts)
24. Putin is not winning...he is desperate...hopes Trump will save him...
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:37 PM
Nov 21

Some if not all of the oligarchs have disappeared as in left the country. The economy is on life support...a generation of young people are dead in the war. Starvation is imminent.

For example, Ukraine recently knocked out the electricity to Moscow and beyond using their cheap bombs. Russia has no one to work on infrastructure since all their emphasis for years was on weapons. They ran the lines miles beyond Moscow. So one successful bomb could take down the entire system. And Ukraine sent a drone bomb hit one small area and did just that.

ancianita

(42,672 posts)
25. No way Putin's winning. It's only nuke power puffery by the felon & his boss. Zelenskyy always listens, then refuses.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 02:00 PM
Nov 21

Zelenskyy knows that the world and NATO are on his and Ukraine's side.

sinkingfeeling

(56,875 posts)
7. Not a peace plan: it's a statement of surrender.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 07:19 AM
Nov 21

Hope Ukraine and its European allies tell TSF to go to hell.

Ray Bruns

(5,834 posts)
8. "Ukraine banned from Nato, Russia readmitted to the G8 and territory ceded: what's in Putin's draft plan"
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 07:43 AM
Nov 21

FIFY

slightlv

(7,128 posts)
10. No fracking way..
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 08:25 AM
Nov 21

Surrender Ukraine? Not gonna happen. I don't care how many towers putin has promised to rump.

OldBaldy1701E

(9,682 posts)
11. If I were Zelenskyy, there would be absolutely no way I would agree to a ban from NATO!
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 08:27 AM
Nov 21

I mean, I would not agree to anything that Putin and The Orange Gibbon had concocted, and I would never consider anything that they offered from now on.

But, that's just me.

Martin Eden

(15,219 posts)
12. "Peace" plan drafted by Putin, and Putin's Orange Asset, without Ukraine's participation?
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 08:29 AM
Nov 21

This is nothing less than US collusion with Russia to reward Russia for its illegal invasion, and to spit on the grave of every Ukrainian soldier who died defending their country.

Aviation Pro

(15,123 posts)
14. Zelenskyy's reply
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 09:21 AM
Nov 21

"How about go fuck yourself? Will you take go fuck yourself, you fat, fucking pedophile?"

angrychair

(11,563 posts)
15. How is it for the US to Decide Anything?
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 10:33 AM
Nov 21

The EU has given far more money than that US has given at this point (EU: $200 billion vs US:$130 billion)

The US gets to unilaterally decide who gets to join NATO?

The US gets to unilaterally decide who gets to be in the G8?

The arrogance is stunning and unbecoming of our nation. We are acting more as a bully than a friend and ally.

RedWhiteBlueIsRacist

(1,594 posts)
18. TrumPutin is tag teaming against Ukraine.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 10:57 AM
Nov 21

Bank on it, if Ukraine accepts this death proposal, Russia will have public executions of Ukrainian citizens.and military personnel. Is that what America wants to see?

FakeNoose

(39,694 posts)
21. Yes! If he tries this, I think even the MAGAs will want him out
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:26 PM
Nov 21

Despite Chump's crazy love affair with Putin, I can't see that the rest of the Repukes are feeling the same way. The days of indulging Chump are just about over.

blue-wave

(4,790 posts)
23. This is nothing but a reward for Russia
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:19 PM
Nov 21

For starting wars, committing genocide and terrorizing whole populations. This cannot stand.

Borogove

(382 posts)
26. This "peace plan" needs to be quickly rejected and Europe needs to pick up its material and financial support.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 02:09 PM
Nov 21

At least until sanity returns to this country.

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