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BumRushDaShow

(164,007 posts)
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 06:51 AM Nov 20

No REAL ID? It could cost you $18 to go through TSA checkpoints under proposed rule

Source: ABC News

November 19, 2025, 8:23 PM


Airplane passengers without a REAL ID or passport could face an $18 fee under a new rule proposed by the Transportation Security Administration.

Under the proposed rule, set to be published in the Federal Register on Thursday, travelers without the required identification will have their identity verified on a new biometric kiosk system before they're permitted to pass through the checkpoint.

The $18 fee -- which will allow passengers to access TSA checkpoints for 10 days -- will be used to help pay for the new technology, according to the notice.

It's unclear when exactly the new system -- and accompanying $18 fee -- will roll out. The publication of the new rule in the Federal Register kicks off a public comment period on the proposed change.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/real-id-cost-18-tsa-checkpoints-proposed-rule/story?id=127690599



Link to Federal Register NOTICE - TSA Modernized Alternative Identity Verification User Fee
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No REAL ID? It could cost you $18 to go through TSA checkpoints under proposed rule (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Nov 20 OP
At this point if you dont have one, its on you. Callie1979 Nov 20 #1
Really? OldBaldy1701E Nov 20 #2
It took 3 tries before I got mine.. ProudMNDemocrat Nov 20 #6
That's another thing. OldBaldy1701E Nov 20 #29
Three times denied for me. slightlv Nov 20 #9
Its been the law for 20 YEARS. You dont have a drivers license or State ID? Callie1979 Nov 20 #25
I suspect the final reason is more... class-based. OldBaldy1701E Nov 20 #28
What a messed up state! I'm in GA. When my old one renewed, I had my "star" Callie1979 Nov 20 #34
I'm so sorry this is happening. yardwork Nov 20 #35
The law to implement this was passed in 2005 Jose Garcia Nov 20 #8
More than a dozen years! forthemiddle Nov 20 #20
Why not go full fucking Nazi? hunter Nov 20 #3
Oh, c'mon. It's no big deal. Just as easy as getting a driver's license. We've had years to get one. Martin68 Nov 20 #23
We don't live in a nation with a trustworthy government. hunter Nov 20 #27
It is an issue. OrwellwasRight Nov 20 #31
I got a passport last summer. You need a birth cetificate with your parents' names otherwise they twodogsbarking Nov 20 #4
I dont have a passport. slightlv Nov 20 #10
It is tempting but all of my stuff is here. twodogsbarking Nov 20 #11
Yeah, and if you're like me, it's TOO much stuff! (LOL) slightlv Nov 20 #15
I have enough stuff to get a booth at the local antique store. It is a semi-co-op if there is such a thing. twodogsbarking Nov 20 #16
I always carry my US passport FakeNoose Nov 20 #5
"The PA drivers license / Real ID shows a scribble that doesn't look like my real signature" BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #7
Sure it never occurred to me that children would have the same problem FakeNoose Nov 20 #14
"we all complain about having to sign on those little computer screens." BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #18
I never actually sign. I just execute a random squiggle. Martin68 Nov 20 #22
"I never actually sign. I just execute a random squiggle." BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #24
The sad thing is when I do that it looks just like my signature. Callie1979 Nov 20 #26
Remember the conundrum of one of Obama's Treasury Secretaries BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #32
Same here! Martin68 Nov 21 #44
It's OK to do that when the document is something you can scrutinize later FakeNoose Nov 20 #33
I've realized that I can't vote by mail in my state. yardwork Nov 20 #36
Yes thank you - that's an even better example FakeNoose Nov 20 #37
No need for real id Old Crank Nov 20 #12
"No need for real id...Unless you want to fly." BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #13
So is Social Security. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Nov 20 #30
$18 is better than being turned away at the TSA checkpoint. maxsolomon Nov 20 #17
"Everyone: please get a passport." BumRushDaShow Nov 20 #19
Everyone has had plenty of time to get one. We've had our for years. This is a non-issue. Martin68 Nov 20 #21
That's true, except that Pennsylvania finally adopted the Real-ID only recently FakeNoose Nov 21 #40
Well, that's on PA for delaying implementation. I'm glad it worked out for most people in the end. Martin68 Nov 21 #43
I've had a Passport for 50+ years so there is no reason for me to get RealID. Raftergirl Nov 20 #38
It's kind of stupid Justice Nov 20 #39
The records are all archived in separate databases FakeNoose Nov 21 #41
How many J6er's have Real ID's? I'd bet MOST of them. Those fuckers are TERRORISTS Bengus81 Nov 21 #42

Callie1979

(1,052 posts)
1. At this point if you dont have one, its on you.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 06:57 AM
Nov 20

I mean, they've been talking about everyone needing a REAL ID for like a dozen YEARS. Probably more. My last ID that expired was already a REAl id & that was 6 years ago.

OldBaldy1701E

(9,687 posts)
2. Really?
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 07:09 AM
Nov 20

I tried and got denied twice. They keep on coming up with reasons not to let me have one.

But, it's my fault that they won't do it... gotcha.

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,442 posts)
6. It took 3 tries before I got mine..
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 08:41 AM
Nov 20

The Senior Living facility where I live, my rent includes Utilities(Electricity and Water), Cable(Antenna), and Garbage Pickup, so I had NO Utility bill. I had to provide a Birth Certificate, my SS card, valid Passport, the Lease agreement that had the actual address where I lived and valid signatures, Bank Statement with my current address, and Declaration of Renter's Insurance(just in case) as PROOF of citizenship and residency.

Once reprocessed, I was in the clear.

I just returned home from a trip to Georgia and had my Real ID to show TSA. I also had a valid Military ID on me as well. Not having a Real ID is on the person, not TSA.

slightlv

(7,128 posts)
9. Three times denied for me.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 09:44 AM
Nov 20

I finally threw a righteous hissy fit the last time when they tried to pull the exact stunt on me I predicted they'd do when they denied me at first. I'd already spent too much time and hard to come by money.

Some of us have intertwined, complicated lives. America doesn't do complicated anymore. Everything is either black or white.

And RealID was nothing more than an excuse to build a massive national database for all our information. J. Edgar would have been tingling to his toes. And so many Americans just handed it all over with a smile. The rest of us had to pay for the privilege, but we tried to warn people every step of the way

Callie1979

(1,052 posts)
25. Its been the law for 20 YEARS. You dont have a drivers license or State ID?
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 03:59 PM
Nov 20

Its been talked about constantly the entire time.
I dont know what your State is but if you cant get one I'd be calling someone.

OldBaldy1701E

(9,687 posts)
28. I suspect the final reason is more... class-based.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 05:21 PM
Nov 20

It has only been in the last twelve yeas that I have needed a passport or anything like that. A Real ID was not required and I don't believe that, at the time, they were going to become the 'only' thing accepted. Then, things changed around five years ago and I no longer needed that and therefore did not worry about it. I just decided that I wanted to get the 'Enhanced ID' because my freaking husband got one, as well as everyone else I know. But, that good ole Baldy luck said, "Oh HELL no!"

Yes, I have a drivers license.

What I don't have is a bank statement that is solely in my name. (Their request. Not negotiable.) The vehicle is also in both of our names. (Their request. Not negotiable.) The utilities are not in my name. I don't have several banks accounts and four houses and ten vehicles and so on. So, I don't have the required paperwork from List Number Three. They will not accept anything other than that paperwork.

So, no Real ID for me. It doesn't matter at this point. Hell, I gave them money for both attempts and they have not even contacted me about refunding any of it. They refused the paperwork that I gave them twice and they seem quite content to ignore me after refusing my requests. I am a poor person who is one toothache away from being on the street. Call someone? Like maybe my Congress person? I tried that. They have avoided me like the plague whenever I attend their 'town halls' because I always have the same question and it has to do with the bias in our culture due to wealth inequity. This person was just featured in an article that pointed out that this person was a multi-millionaire, which would put them at odds with my question, so this person won't even look in my direction. So, I am guessing that there is no help to be had from that quarter.

I just don't get one, I guess. Which is a 'whatever', but when one's family has been here for 375 years and yet cannot get a Federal ID because they won't accept my 'proof of identity'... well, it tends to make one VERY cynical about a great many things pertaining to our current societal model and whether it is worth saving. It also becomes a trigger for various mental issues that are unaddressed due to that same wealth inequity. There is no where to turn to find help on the matter now, and to be honest, I doubt I will ever need to go anywhere again anyway. I cannot afford to drive to another city these days, much less travel anywhere else. So, to use a bit of street vernacular... fukdatshii!

But, that's just old, cynical, and worn out me.

Callie1979

(1,052 posts)
34. What a messed up state! I'm in GA. When my old one renewed, I had my "star"
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 07:15 PM
Nov 20

That was 2012. I never provided anything. I dont get it.

yardwork

(68,640 posts)
35. I'm so sorry this is happening.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 08:38 PM
Nov 20

You're absolutely correct that it's classism. Congress makes laws that reflect their own lives: mostly male, with mostly stay at home wives, with two homes, the same utilities for 20 years, bank accounts with the same bank since they graduated from college, etc.

The fact that millions of Americans have different kinds of lives never hits their radar screens.

forthemiddle

(1,458 posts)
20. More than a dozen years!
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 02:02 PM
Nov 20

The law past in May of 2005!
It has been kicked down the road for more 2 decades!
If you have been unable to get a Real ID, that’s on you!

hunter

(40,243 posts)
3. Why not go full fucking Nazi?
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 08:18 AM
Nov 20

Internal passports for all, with special annotations for undesirables...

Martin68

(26,739 posts)
23. Oh, c'mon. It's no big deal. Just as easy as getting a driver's license. We've had years to get one.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 02:53 PM
Nov 20

You are inventing a non-issue. Are you against driving licenses too? Passports? What's the difference?

hunter

(40,243 posts)
27. We don't live in a nation with a trustworthy government.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 04:40 PM
Nov 20

By a deeply flawed constitution and extreme gerrymandering we are currently ruled by a minority of fascist deplorables.

The entire RealID program and the implementation of "Homeland Security" itself was flaming bullshit.

It's all a grotesque security theater and its being used to undermine our democracy.

I'll sign on to RealID when the current incarnation of the Republican Party is dead with a stake through its heart and we have a trustworthy government again.

I actually tried to get RealID in less troubled times but it turned out my papers were not in order. They did not accept my birth certificate, which I got some years ago direct from the county clerk's office in the county of my birth. Rather they wanted some damned document I'd have to pay a private business for. None of it sat well with me so I never went back for the Real ID.

Resistance is easy. It's no big deal.

And I'm not sure what the purpose of Real ID is. The vast majority of "bad guys" in this nation, those who might want to harm me, the ones I'm supposed to fear, will have their papers in order. RealID won't protect me from them.

Besides, I hate flying.

OrwellwasRight

(5,307 posts)
31. It is an issue.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 05:41 PM
Nov 20

I have a passport and have had one basically since adulthood. But I’ve tried to get a “real ID” both of the last times my driver’s license expired and I can’t get one because I don’t have the required documents with the required addresses. When you move all the time, including cross country and internationally, it makes it difficult to show arbitrary things like utility bills in your name with the address you need the driver’s license for. Why is it harder to get a REAL ID than a passport? Ever consider that?

twodogsbarking

(17,002 posts)
4. I got a passport last summer. You need a birth cetificate with your parents' names otherwise they
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 08:33 AM
Nov 20

will hold your application. State issued birth certificate from the 80s wouldn't work.
Post office handled it very well. Took only a few minutes for the pic. Real ID can take a lot of time. No appointments and a line so you can wait hours I guess.

slightlv

(7,128 posts)
10. I dont have a passport.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 09:51 AM
Nov 20

When I traveled you could still go into Mexico and Canada without one. But OMG that was a lifetime ago. No money to do overseas traveling after that. I always regretted that (sigh).

If I had one today it'd be too tempting to flee this country rather than try to fight against this admin.

twodogsbarking

(17,002 posts)
16. I have enough stuff to get a booth at the local antique store. It is a semi-co-op if there is such a thing.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 12:54 PM
Nov 20

Many things 100+ years old. Shits even older than me.

FakeNoose

(39,698 posts)
5. I always carry my US passport
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 08:38 AM
Nov 20

My passport shows a scan of my real correct signature, and my Pennsylvania drivers license shows a computer scribble.

The PA drivers license / Real ID shows a scribble that doesn't look like my real signature, since I was required to sign on one of those little glass computer screens. I'm left-handed and it's completely NOT what my signature really looks like. (Even though I tried to sign it a half-dozen times, it never looked like my real signature.) I hate what they printed on my PA-DL and I refuse to show it for identification. That "signature" is something I can't match because it's not how I really sign my name.

The signature on my passport, on the other hand, is completely correct and that's what I always show for ID. Until Pennsylvania wises up and allows me to submit a signature on paper that they can scan and save to file, that's how it's going to be.

BumRushDaShow

(164,007 posts)
7. "The PA drivers license / Real ID shows a scribble that doesn't look like my real signature"
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 09:07 AM
Nov 20

When I got my PA Driver's license/RealID back in 2019, I had my passport but also had my *original* SS card that I got when I was 12 years old (at the time, my dad, who was a fed, had died on the job so we got survivor's annuity, and thus my mom had to register me and my sisters into SS system, which back then had not been required for the general population unless they were going to have a work history, but is now required for all children at birth).

I pre-warned the DMV CSR doing my Real ID processing, that my "12 year old kid signature" on my SS card, would NOT look like my current signature on my license or passport, and we both had a good laugh!

FakeNoose

(39,698 posts)
14. Sure it never occurred to me that children would have the same problem
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 11:14 AM
Nov 20

I know a lot of senior citizens - I'm in my 70s - and we all complain about having to sign on those little computer screens.

That must have been hard on you and your family, losing your dad at such a young age.

BumRushDaShow

(164,007 posts)
18. "we all complain about having to sign on those little computer screens."
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 01:50 PM
Nov 20

I hate those damn things with a passion (especially those without a stylus). Most of them won't even consistently register if something is drawing on it.

That must have been hard on you and your family, losing your dad at such a young age.


Me and my sisters were always close (still are today) and mom was a trooper through that. Plus neighbors and other family members were always around to help (none of my grandparents were still alive when that happened)!

BumRushDaShow

(164,007 posts)
24. "I never actually sign. I just execute a random squiggle."
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 03:24 PM
Nov 20

I see people do that for credit card transactions at stores...

BumRushDaShow

(164,007 posts)
32. Remember the conundrum of one of Obama's Treasury Secretaries
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 05:57 PM
Nov 20

Jacob "Jack" Lew?



(he had to create a new cursive signature for printing on the paper currency )

FakeNoose

(39,698 posts)
33. It's OK to do that when the document is something you can scrutinize later
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 06:20 PM
Nov 20

For example, I can squiggle a signature for a credit card payment when I know there's a record being created and I'll have the chance to review it later and change it if necessary.

But what if you're stopped by the law and you show them an ID that has a squiggle signature? What if they don't believe it's your ID and they ask you to sign on a sheet of paper? Then they compare your REAL signature with the squiggle that was done on a computer screen ... and your goose is cooked because you can't match it. That's the scenario that I'm talking about.

In normal times I wouldn't worry about stuff like this, but THESE aren't normal times.

yardwork

(68,640 posts)
36. I've realized that I can't vote by mail in my state.
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 08:42 PM
Nov 20

They scrutinize the signatures and mine is always a squiggle (always a different squiggle) so my ballot would be kicked out. And so my vote won't count. So I have to vote in person.

FakeNoose

(39,698 posts)
37. Yes thank you - that's an even better example
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 10:28 PM
Nov 20

Sometimes technology works against us in awful ways.

Old Crank

(6,494 posts)
12. No need for real id
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 10:40 AM
Nov 20

Unless you want to fly.
I'll bet that millions don’t ever fly.
It takes less to get a passport than real ID. But a passport done, which serves the same function, can't be the only documentation for real I'd.
But if you fly and need the ID you have had plenty of time.

BumRushDaShow

(164,007 posts)
13. "No need for real id...Unless you want to fly."
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 11:06 AM
Nov 20

Except if you need to go into a general (multi-agency) government building (including federal courthouses and military bases), they want to see one.

E.g., often IRS offices are in multi-agency buildings so if you have an appointment, you need to go through the security screening for the building.

BumRushDaShow

(164,007 posts)
19. "Everyone: please get a passport."
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 01:58 PM
Nov 20

A Passport Card might be a cheaper solution too if a person doesn't plan on international air travel (it's also valid for traveling to Canada, Mexico, some of the islands in the Caribbean, and Bermuda) - https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/need-passport/card.html

When I last renewed my passport, I went on and bought a card to go with it, as it was valid as a Real ID too and better than carrying around a passport (and at the time, PA hadn't accepted doing a Real ID driver's license).

FakeNoose

(39,698 posts)
40. That's true, except that Pennsylvania finally adopted the Real-ID only recently
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 09:24 AM
Nov 21

Pennsylvania had been holding out on Real IDs because they didn't want the cost of changing everything over to the new system. Finally we HAD to change and it took 2 or 3 years to get everyone to renew their driver's license in the Real ID format. Then the problem was all the folks who had NO drivers license, they needed to get the Real ID also, assuming they don't have a US passport.

Pennsylvania just joined everyone else in the 21st century this past year, issuing Real IDs and Real DLs to everyone. This November's election is the first one we've had where everyone is on the new system. I guess it went pretty smoothly, from what I've heard in the news.

Mission accomplished, I guess.

Martin68

(26,739 posts)
43. Well, that's on PA for delaying implementation. I'm glad it worked out for most people in the end.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:01 PM
Nov 21

Justice

(7,228 posts)
39. It's kind of stupid
Thu Nov 20, 2025, 11:51 PM
Nov 20

In my state, my original social security card (issued in the 1970s) was not accepted so I had to get a new one.

To get a new one, I had to make appt, then go to social security office and present my passport.

Then go back to DMV with my passport and new social security card.

Very circular, stupid logic.

FakeNoose

(39,698 posts)
41. The records are all archived in separate databases
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 09:29 AM
Nov 21

Maybe that's a good thing....

... because I really don't want the state and the federal governments sharing my info with one another.

Bengus81

(9,632 posts)
42. How many J6er's have Real ID's? I'd bet MOST of them. Those fuckers are TERRORISTS
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 09:33 AM
Nov 21

So much for a phony ID on your DL......

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