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BumRushDaShow

(159,346 posts)
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 03:30 PM Aug 26

Pennsylvania must stop throwing out mail ballots over date errors, court rules

Source: CBS News/AP

August 26, 2025 / 2:59 PM EDT / AP


A federal appeals court on Tuesday ruled that it is unconstitutional for the presidential battleground state of Pennsylvania to throw out mail-in ballots simply because the voter didn't write an accurate date on the return envelope. The unanimous decision by the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ordered Pennsylvania to stop throwing out such ballots and upheld the decision earlier this year by a federal judge in Pittsburgh.

In its 55-page opinion, the three-judge panel said it had to weigh the state's interest in throwing out the ballots against the constitutional right to vote. The panel wrote that it was "unable to justify" the practice of discarding such ballots "that has resulted in the disqualification of thousands of presumably proper ballots."

Under Pennsylvania law, voters are required to write the date on the return envelope for their mail ballot. However, thousands of voters, confused by the request to write the date, might skip it or write another date, such as their birth date. Tuesday's decision marks the latest instance in more than a half-dozen cases where a court has instructed election officials in Pennsylvania to count such ballots.

However, higher courts have always reinstated the requirement in the heavily litigated matter that has pitted Democrats and their allies in trying to get rid of the requirement against Republicans who defend it. For Tuesday's ruling to be reversed, the U.S. Supreme Court would need to take up the issue.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/court-orders-pennsylvania-stop-throwing-out-mail-ballots-handwritten-date/



Link to RULING (PDF viewer) - https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26074783-eakinca3082625/#document/p55
Link to RULING (PDF) - https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/26074783/eakinca3082625.pdf


Just heard this on the local news radio station here in Philly about 20 minutes ago.
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lostincalifornia

(4,338 posts)
1. One would think that after 2000, 2016, and 2024, people would be extremely careful and vigilant when voting.
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 03:35 PM
Aug 26

Yes, we can argue all day how wrong this is until the cows come home, but in the end, if that is how they setup these idiotic rules, voters should insure their ballot is correct, and help should be provided by the party to help people with questions.

BumRushDaShow

(159,346 posts)
2. There is ZERO need for a "date" on a ballot *envelope*
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 03:44 PM
Aug 26

when the ballots & envelopes are already barcoded and stamped/scanned for when the ballot was received. The envelope barcodes ties to a voter and thus when scanned, will tick off that the voter "has voted" and can't vote again (in person).

It's RIDICULOUS.

The main requirement should be that the ballot be received by the timeframes set - either by "election day" (before the polls close) or by some designated date/time for those who are voting while overseas (e.g., military, Americans working in other countries for foreign or American businesses with offices that are not in the U.S., etc).

BumRushDaShow

(159,346 posts)
6. In the bizarre lead-up to getting what we call here in PA - the "no-excuse absentee ballot"
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 06:06 PM
Aug 26

(a/k/a "mail ballots" ) the GOP, who held both chambers of our legislature at the time (2019, where we had a (D) governor), were willing to actually allow "mail voting" (regular absentee ballots weren't impacted) in exchange for getting rid of "straight party ticket voting", where pushing one button or filling in one paper ballot circle, would vote for the entire (D) or (R) slate (which was killing them). Along with that though, they added this extra stuff (the ballots already have barcodes and Division info, etc) by having the date/signature requirement for the ballot envelopes.

I am hoping to hell that (D)s here can somehow take the state Senate and finally get a trifecta. We were able to take the state House in 2022 for the first time in a dozen years, and able to barely maintain it after the 2024 election. We are gonna have to get people really pissed off enough to vote AND vote for (D)s, and not just throw their hands up.

lostincalifornia

(4,338 posts)
5. I agree. However, if the courts are ruling that you can throw ballots out if they aren't dated correctly, then you
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 06:04 PM
Aug 26

have two choices.

1. Date it manually like it says.
2. Don't, and take your chances that the courts will allow it if they try to throw it out for that reason.

If it is up to me I will do the former.

Then again I live in California, and they accept the post-marked date, and the only requirement is a signature.

BumRushDaShow

(159,346 posts)
7. This whole issue has been through a BILLION court cases since 2020
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 06:32 PM
Aug 26

both in state AND federal court. The feds generally wave it away Because. State. Issue. But the GOP keeps going there anyway because the state Supreme court is majority (D). The state Supreme Court keeps punting when they end up having to decide, and it seems to always happen just ahead of an election so they leave it "as is".

During that time as it was being adjudicated and was in effect, Democrats HAVE been doing massive education campaigns and ads and redesigning and redesigning again, the envelopes (to the point of actually pre-filling out the YEAR boxes). But because our urban areas ARE diverse, with many nationalities and languages, there is still confusion. Here was Philly's last year -



You have procrastinators who often hurry their way through the ballot and shove the completed ballot directly into the "outer envelope" (forgetting to put it in the "secrecy envelope" first (making that ballot a "naked ballot" )) and then forgetting to sign/date that outer envelope, just to get it in the mail or at a drop box in time.

BumRushDaShow

(159,346 posts)
12. And in that above image of the envelopes
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 05:50 AM
Aug 27

the yellow "secrecy" envelope is shown actually blocking the barcode (for anonymity in the example) that is printed on the envelope to correspond with a voter. When an election worker gets the completed ballot, they are checking for the signature/date and presence of the secrecy envelope (where there is a circular hole in the outer envelope to quickly show the "yellow" if that inner envelope is there), and will then scan the barcode if everything looks good. The state then sends a notification to the voter that their ballot has been received (and although they changed the message recently, they usually indicate that it has been "recorded" pending any County actions).

I believe any ballot missing things, are set aside and tracked, to allow the submitter to correct the defects or "spoil" the ballot (a County prerogative) so that it gets discarded, and they can go in person to vote if they want (including by provisional ballot if applicable).

One of the other problems with the current state law ( "Act-77" ), was that the "curing" (correcting) of ballots (i.e., as above, the missing dates/signatures/inner envelope) was left vague so some Counties allow it and aggressively reach out to those voters with bad ballots, and others don't bother and tell the voters they are SOL, and this has caused a lot of consternation of "fairness".

Grins

(8,798 posts)
8. Handwritten dates on ballots are worthless and serve only to disenfranchise a voter.
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 10:29 PM
Aug 26

The ballots are already dated and barcoded - for a specific election. All that matters is whether the damn ballots were received within the state’s acceptance window.

FakeNoose

(38,494 posts)
9. Yes exactly right ... however ...
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 11:23 PM
Aug 26

The whole issue of mailed ballots became politicized in 2020 when we had the Covid lockdown. Chump suddenly discovered that most of the voters who wanted to use the mailed ballots were Democratic voters.

Once he realized that, it suddenly became EVIL and FRAUDULENT to vote by mail. He insisted that the R's all had to come to the polls and vote in person (this was before we had the Covid vaccines), and very few R voters used the mailed ballot that year.

If Chump had just kept his mouth shut in 2020 about the mailed ballots, he probably would have won the election because many of the R voters - especially the older ones - wanted to vote by mail. What's been happening ever since then has been fallout from that huge blunder.

BidenRocks

(2,109 posts)
10. Chump wants true absentee voting.
Wed Aug 27, 2025, 02:28 AM
Aug 27

Everyone else must stand in line for 12 hours, receiving no food, water or toilet breaks.

The fewer votes the better.

It won't matter. He went way too far!

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