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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(127,443 posts)
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 02:17 PM Sunday

Putin agreed to let US, Europe offer NATO-style security protections for Ukraine, Trump envoy says

Source: AP

NEW YORK (AP) — Russia's Vladimir Putin agreed at his summit with President Donald Trump to allow the United States and its European allies to offer Ukraine a security guarantee resembling NATO’s collective defense mandate as part of an eventual deal to end the 3 1/2-year war in Ukraine, special U.S. envoy Steve Witkoff said Sunday.

“We were able to win the following concession: That the United States could offer Article 5-like protection, which is one of the real reasons why Ukraine wants to be in NATO," he told CNN's “State of the Union.” He added that it “was the first time we had ever heard the Russians agree to that” and called them “game-changing.”

Article 5, at the heart of the 32-member military alliance, states that an armed attack against one or more of the members shall be considered an attack against all members.

Witkoff, who had joined Secretary of State Marco Rubio for the talks Friday at a military base in Alaska, offered few details on how such an agreement would work. But it appeared to be a major shift for Putin and could serve as a workaround to his long-standing objection to Ukraine's potential NATO membership.

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/us-envoy-says-putin-agreed-134023096.html



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Putin agreed to let US, Europe offer NATO-style security protections for Ukraine, Trump envoy says (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sunday OP
"Article 5 Like" lmfao. Pooty tells FatAss "sure you can put some Blue Helmets in there" Cheezoholic Sunday #1
Bullshit. JoseBalow Sunday #2
Seconded Strelnikov_ Sunday #7
US, UK and Russia did that in 1994 when they convinced Ukraine to surrender their nukes ImNotGod Sunday #3
Any such agreement is not worth blue-wave Sunday #4
"Article 5 like" is not Article 5 angrychair Sunday #5
Until he didn't. speak easy Sunday #6
I just stole $10M from a bank. I'll let the police put in a new security system for them. There are other banks to hit. Wonder Why Sunday #8
can't... myohmy2 Sunday #9

Cheezoholic

(3,208 posts)
1. "Article 5 Like" lmfao. Pooty tells FatAss "sure you can put some Blue Helmets in there"
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 02:26 PM
Sunday

We saw how much he respected that shit in Syria and everywhere else his grimey little hands are involved. King of the long game folks.

Strelnikov_

(8,022 posts)
7. Seconded
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 04:01 PM
Sunday

Further, this is per Witkof, who misinterpreted/misrepresented the Rusky position before the summit. This guy appears to be grossly incompetent.

ImNotGod

(956 posts)
3. US, UK and Russia did that in 1994 when they convinced Ukraine to surrender their nukes
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 03:29 PM
Sunday

Called the "Budapest Memorandum" the three documents signed on December 5, 1994, pledged to respect Ukraine's sovereignty and borders, and to refrain from the use or threat of force against Ukraine.

So, I don't think Ukraine will fall for another false promise, especially from known liars and lovers in arms tRump and putin.

blue-wave

(4,740 posts)
4. Any such agreement is not worth
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 03:29 PM
Sunday

the paper it's written on. Ukraine tried this with the Budapest Memorandum. The United States, the United Kingdom and Russia, yes Russia gave security assurances to Ukraine. Ukraine in turn gave up their nuclear arsenal.

Nothing less than full NATO and EU membership will work to guarantee a free, independent and secure Ukraine. If this is not achieved, Putin and the Russian genocidists will be back.

angrychair

(11,001 posts)
5. "Article 5 like" is not Article 5
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 03:32 PM
Sunday

There is no guarantee they will support them. Ukraine already had that kind of "guarantee" from the US and we backed out of supporting them.

Wonder Why

(6,047 posts)
8. I just stole $10M from a bank. I'll let the police put in a new security system for them. There are other banks to hit.
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 05:11 PM
Sunday

myohmy2

(3,634 posts)
9. can't...
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 05:53 PM
Sunday

...tell exactly from here, but it looks like putin is winning...

...if Europe and the U.S. won't fight putin now over his aggression in Ukraine why would we would we fight putin in the future...?

...I'm not convinced trump would go to war for a NATO member suffering an attack from russia...

...Article 5, like our Constitution, is just paper to trump and the pukes...

...good luck Ukraine...

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