Palestinians gunned down while trying to reach food aid site in Gaza, hospital says

[muriel_volestrangler]

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Source: The Guardian

More than 20 people were killed on Sunday as they went to receive food at an aid distribution point set up by an Israeli-backed foundation in the Gaza Strip, according to a hospital run by the Red Cross that received the bodies.

Witnesses told the Associated Press that Israeli forces had opened fire on people as they headed toward the aid distribution site run by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF). “There were many martyrs, including women,” the 40-year-old resident said. “We were about 300 metres away from the military.”
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Officials at the field hospital did not say who opened fire but added that another 175 people were wounded. An Associated Press reporter saw dozens of people being treated at the hospital.

The Israel Defense Forces said they were “currently unaware” of injuries caused by their fire at the aid site, but that they were looking into it. The foundation claimed in a statement that it delivered aid “without incident” early on Sunday and has denied previous accounts of chaos and gunfire around its sites, which are in Israeli military zones where independent access is limited.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/01/palestinians-gunned-down-while-trying-to-reach-food-aid-site-in-gaza-hospital-says

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At least 26 killed amid Israeli tank fire near Gaza aid centre, rescuers say

At least 26 people have been killed, and scores have been injured, near a US-backed aid distribution site near Gaza's southern city of Rafah, according to medics and residents.

A local Palestinian journalist told the BBC that thousands of Palestinians had gathered near a humanitarian aid distribution centre when Israeli tanks approached and opened fire on the crowd.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c628n68zpj6t?post=asset%3Ac1bebcc3-fc3f-4f68-be8b-08c82560b3f2#post

Mohammed Ghareeb, a local journalist in Rafah, tells the BBC that thousands of Palestinians had gathered near a US-backed humanitarian aid distribution centre when Israeli tanks approached and opened fire on the crowd.

Ghareeb says the crowd of Palestinians had gathered near Al-Alam roundabout around 04:30 local time (02:30 BST), close to the aid centre run by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, shortly before Israeli tanks appeared and opened fire.

"The dead and wounded lay on the ground for a long time," Ghareeb says.

"Rescue crews could not access the area, which is under Israeli control. This forced residents to use donkey carts to transport victims to the field hospital," he adds.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c628n68zpj6t?post=asset%3A55ee78dc-e417-4239-85e0-7aa8b36623c0#post

[claudette]

1. So this is

self-defense? Disgusting

[twodogsbarking]

2. USA, USA, USA.

[madaboutharry]

3. "Gaza aid group denies claims of IDF attack near Rafah distribution point."

Gaza aid group denies the alleged Israeli attack on a Gaza aid distribution point that was said to have killed at least 31 people, according to Palestinian and Hamas-affiliated media.

Following the incident, the GHF denied claims of casualties and injuries at the aid distribution sites. The GHF said in a statement on Sunday that "All aid was distributed today without incident. No injuries or fatalities."
"We have heard that these fake reports have been actively fomented by Hamas. They are untrue and fabricated," GHF noted.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-856186

Here are a couple of simple questions to ask while this matter is now under investigation:

For what purpose would the IDF open fire on an aid distribution center established with the the United States in order to bypass Hamas and get aid to the people of Gaza?

And, For what purpose would Hamas have to fabricate a story about an attack on an aid distribution center established with the United States in order to bypass Hamas and get aid to the people of Gaza?

This is not the first time that the Hamas Ministry of Information lied about aid distribution.

One day in the far distant future we may live in a world were things are verified before the international media runs with claims made by a terrorist organization.

And of course if this story is revealed to be a lie everyone will have already moved on believing the initial story.

[moonshinegnomie]

9. the red cross/red crescent says dozens killed

The local Palestinian Red Crescent, affiliated with the international Red Cross, said its medical teams had recovered the bodies of 23 Palestinians and treated another 23 injured near an aid collection site in Rafah. Local health authorities said at least 31 bodies had so far arrived at Nasser hospital.

The Red Crescent also reported that a further 14 Palestinians were injured near a separate aid distribution site in central Gaza.

[madaboutharry]

12. All of these organizations in Gaza are controlled by Hamas.

The veracity of any statement made by organizations under the control of a terrorist organization holding hostages, refusing to negotiate a ceasefire in good faith, and dedicated to the destruction of another country is suspect.

[moonshinegnomie]

14. the israeli government is a terrorist organization

they wont negotiate in good faith either. they broke the last cease fire. and are dedicated to teh destruction of palestine..
I used to support israel but no more. they are as guilty as hamas.

[madaboutharry]

16. Yawn.

[moonshinegnomie]

22. translation

as long as its the people i support killing those i dont, I really dont care...

[Beastly Boy]

25. Is this an intentionally self-deprecating remark or accidentally so?

[Exp]

35. 6 REC'S to 1 as of this posting. Your 1 REC was from B-Boy. 'nuff said.

[Beastly Boy]

92. Thank you for the shout-out. But who is counting?

...Oh, you are. Nuff said.

[Exp]

101. If 6 times more people think someone is wrong, in opinion or fact, that 1 person probably is wrong.

Even a really stupid person could understand that, probably without counting.

[Beastly Boy]

102. It can also mean that 6 times more people amounts to only 6 people who think I am wrong.

It can also mean that 7 people are wrong and I am right.

Or it can mean that this is a popularity contest that has nothing to do with right or wrong.

Or it can mean that only 9 people out of thousands of DUers are paying attention to this exchange at all.

None of it amounts to probability of me being wrong.

Now tell me more about stupid people.

[cabotnn22]

19. Until there is proof

Hold off on making judgements. GHF has released a statement and a video showing people in a line up, peacefully, at the time of the alleged attack.

I swear, a lot of people want the attack to be real. They can cluck their tongues and once again blame Israel.

If actual, provable EVIDENCE shows the attack happened, I'll be the first to acknowledge it. I will, however, not take the word of a terrorist organization that has been trying to dissuade people from using GHF and that actually killed four people at its own aid center when people stormed it.

[moonshinegnomie]

23. the orginization that calimed certain people were on its board when they werent?

a group supported by both the israeli government and trump. a group the UN aid chief has called fig leaf for further violence and displacement" for Palestinians in Gaza and a "deliberate distraction" to the ongoing issues within Gaza due to the war..
a group kicked out of switzerland for vioalting its rules for foundations...

[Beastly Boy]

27. The organization that was at the scene to witness the event and videotape it.

And whose words are YOU taking to be completely truthful?

[claudette]

29. Agree

[Goddessartist]

32. Agreed n/t

[claudette]

28. And you now this how?

[AloeVera]

44. Greatest excuse ever invented to indiscriminately murder and mass-starve civilians in aid of ethnic cleansing

When those civilians - and the people trying to help them - reveal the truth of what is happening to them, they are silenced and brushed aside with these four words:

"They're all Hamas".

[Goddessartist]

59. Yep n/t

[AloeVera]

74. The Gaza "aid group" is a shady sham.

Providing a thin veneer of "humanitarianism" while really just an Israeli-concocted scheme with ties to Netanyahu's office whose function is to enable the planned ethnic cleansing.

You wanna eat more than one meal every few days in a pile of rubble or in flimsy tents that could be blown up at any time of our choosing? Then "voluntary emigration" is for you!!


Of course GHF can claim no attacks AT their sites. Because the attacks occurred at a roundabout where people were told to gather - a kilometre away! Which of course they perfectly know - as do some people here by now... so this is just a hasbara-type claim meant to exonerate based on false, irrelevant or incomplete information.

Expected nothing less from this GHF.

Know what I wish for? It's rather quaint, in today's world.

That one day in the not-too distant future we may live in a world where all human beings, regardless of race, creed or ethnicity - even those whose lands we once foolishly coveted - are treated equally and their right to life and dignity, even self-determination - are actually upheld by all nations.

But enough foolishness. Israel will exonerate itself and the consent for the genocide and ethnic cleansing will go on.

[Jack Valentino]

79. Hey, our own American media runs lies every day originating from a terrorist organization

called the Republican Party....

[Beastly Boy]

4. And we all know that thre is not a single terrorist leader in Gaza who would benefit from instigating violence

in and around food distribution centers that they don't control.

No fear and chaos to generate among increasing opposition to their rule, no sensational publicity to be gained, no distractions from their impending defeat, no gaining from the predictable anti-Israel outrage in social media...

And, of course, what local journalists tell BBC is beyond reproach
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-sunday-telegraph/20250601/281702620648593

[muriel_volestrangler]

5. Nice deflection about the BBC

Which it's clear you hate, as does the right-wing Telegraph. But, of course, the Telegraph is also reporting this:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/01/israel-accused-of-firing-on-crowds-approaching-aid-hubs/
as is Reuters:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-strike-aid-point-kills-26-rafah-hamas-affiliated-media-say-2025-06-01/

The BBC would, of course, love to have its permanent journalists inside Gaza to report independently, but Israel would shoot them if they tried to get in.

Maybe your obsession with the BBC shouldn't be wasting DUers' time?

[Beastly Boy]

6. Sure, it's not the lying "local reporters" that BBC admits it employs, it's the BBC.

Such a lazy ad hominem deflection.

For the record, I am a big fan of Nature, I Claudius and The Benny Hill Show, all productions of BBC.

[cabotnn22]

20. The Telegraph is balanced at least

It is saying "accused of" rather than "did it." It has a statement from GHF saying the attack didn't happen.

There are some, not anyone on this board, who genuinely hope this happened so that they can continue to demonize Israel. I hope it didn't happen, for the sake of all.

[AZLD4Candidate]

7. "There were many martyrs, including women," the 40-year-old resident said.

More of this language. Already suspect as the only victims apparently were women and children, as usual.

And the only accounts of it were from a 40-year old using the martyr word and a local journalist whose objectivity is unknown.

Officials at the field hospital did not say who opened fire but added that another 175 people were wounded. An Associated Press reporter saw dozens of people being treated at the hospital.

We all know it was the evil, bloodthirsty, genocidal Israelis. Those humanitarian, good hearted Hamas freedom fighters would never do this, then use their sycophants to blame Israel. After all, Israel is a pariah state.

The Israel Defense Forces said they were “currently unaware” of injuries caused by their fire at the aid site, but that they were looking into it. The foundation claimed in a statement that it delivered aid “without incident” early on Sunday and has denied previous accounts of chaos and gunfire around its sites, which are in Israeli military zones where independent access is limited.

Even the aid organization says this is bullshit.

[moonshinegnomie]

11. bs

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/01/palestinians-gunned-down-while-trying-to-reach-food-aid-site-in-gaza-hospital-says

The local Palestinian Red Crescent, affiliated with the international Red Cross, said its medical teams had recovered the bodies of 23 Palestinians and treated another 23 injured near an aid collection site in Rafah. Local health authorities said at least 31 bodies had so far arrived at Nasser hospital.

The Red Crescent also reported that a further 14 Palestinians were injured near a separate aid distribution site in central Gaza.


Mohammed Abu Teaima, 33, said he saw Israeli forces open fire and kill his cousin and another woman as they were heading to the hub. He said his cousin was shot in his chest and died at the scene. Many others were wounded, including his brother-in-law, he said.

Reuters footage showed ambulance vehicles carrying injured people to Nasser hospital. Other clips emerged showing people running and ducking, with apparent gunfire audible in the background. One piece of footage seems to have been filmed in the Salah al-Din Road, just south of aid distribution site in the Netzarim corridor.

[AZLD4Candidate]

13. From the OP article:

The foundation claimed in a statement that it delivered aid “without incident” early on Sunday and has denied previous accounts of chaos and gunfire around its sites.

But okay. . .you believe who you want to believe, including people with skin in the game. I'll take what the OP posted when the actual aid organization said this never happened.

[moonshinegnomie]

17. from reuters

Reuters footage showed ambulance vehicles carrying injured people to Nasser hospital. Other clips emerged showing people running and ducking, with apparent gunfire audible in the background. One piece of footage seems to have been filmed in the Salah al-Din Road, just south of aid distribution site in the Netzarim corridor.

AP cites eyewitnesses as saying that the incident occurred before dawn, as thousands marched toward the aid site. Israeli troops had ordered them to disperse and come back later, and as the crowds arrived at a roundabout around a kilometer away at 3 a.m., the IDF opened fire, the witnesses say.

meanwhile the GHF is supported both by the Israeli government and trump. i belive them about as much as i believe hamas

https://archive.ph/2025.05.21-042013/https://www.ft.com/content/ae191ff4-916c-4cc3-8a93-631754bcba90

[Beastly Boy]

31. Your link is not from Reuters

UN aid trucks were violently looted in the middle of Gaza, with casualties reported. Nasser Hospital is nowhere near any of the distribution centers.

I want to see what the Reuters article is referring to.

[AloeVera]

67. That "aid organization" is bullshit.

Provides a veneer of "humanitarianism" - just enough to enable more genocide and ethnic cleansing.

I don't know how many of us here eat one meal every three days but I venture none.

That's the extent of the "humanitarian aid" provided by this Netanyahu-involved, backed and Trump-supported bullshit shady agency.

There are many other eyewitnesses. You might also want to note the difference between "including" and "only".

I would also wonder how Hamas fighters could be be hiding in plain sight in a militarized zone where the IDF has full control, where civilians have to pass through IDF checkpoints, in an area surrounded by IDF tanks, drones and soldiers. You'd think the IDF would have killed them instead of allowing them to murder starving civilians.

No, actually I don't wonder because the IDF story and the GHF story is bullshit.

[AZLD4Candidate]

68. I would also wonder how Hamas fighters could be be hiding in plain sight

Go to any gang neighborhood in the US. They also hide in plain sight. The locals are too afraid to rat them out.

Serial killers hide in plain sight
Most criminals hide in plain sight until they are found.

Your logic is extremely flawed in your "Israel is to blame for everything and anything."

[AloeVera]

70. Israel is to blame for many things. Honestly time to realize that.

The total deliberate destruction of everything, the indiscriminate killing and the coming ethnic cleansing disguised as "voluntary emigration". The purpose of GHF is to encourage that volunteerism by making their lives even more miserable, more hungry and despairing. Add to that the fear of even going for aid - as will happen now - and I would say GHF has done a fine job for Israel's goals.

Who benefits from this attack? It's not Hamas.

It is kind of hard to hide those AK47-s from IDF soldiers at checkpoints and from the ever-present surveillance drones. That's the flaw in your logic, not sure how you overlooked that. That logic-flaw is quite common with people who think Israel should be blamed for nothing, never does wrong ever and is unjustly demonized forever.

[Rob H.]

8. "The Israel Defense Forces said they were "currently unaware" of injuries

…caused by their fire at the aid site, but that they were looking into it.”

At this point, based on the IDF’s recent history, it can safely be assumed they’re probably lying, and even if they look into it beyond the most superficial level possible they’ll clear themselves of any wrongdoing.

[Beastly Boy]

36. I love this doublespeak:

"At this point, based on the IDF’s recent history, it can safely be assumed they’re probably lying"

For more clarity, consider adding "But I may be wrong. Or right. Or anything in between."

[moonshinegnomie]

10. its time for a coalition of countries to remove the israeli government

remove the government and arrest them for war crimes. same with teh top military leaders.
maybe whats needed is a complete embargo on the country until the leadership is delivered to the hague for war crimes trials

[AZLD4Candidate]

15. And the elected Hamas government that did the action that started this war gets off scot free?

Yes, I keep forgetting. It's always Israel

[TiberiusB]

76. Started this war?

Do you mean that anything preceding the October 7th attack is off limits and cannot be considered to have had any bearing on current events? History only starts when Israel is the victim?

[AZLD4Candidate]

77. Following that logic, China should attack Japan because those wounds aren't healed.

And yes, this war started AFTER October 7th. How many terrorists attacks must Israel endure before saying enough is enough?

I keep forgetting. . .they need to endure them all.

[TiberiusB]

81. And who is arguing for Israel to just suffer?

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Nobody here is supporting any terrorist attacks on Israel, but that's the go to play it seems, to go full straw man and create a debate that doesn't exist. As for the China/Japan comparison, remind me again how many times either country has occupied territory belonging to the other, stolen land, or bombed children since WWII? Believe it or not, both Hamas and Israel can be in the wrong, but of the two, one has immense resources and the backing of the U.S. military and government. It's not a war, it's slaughter.

Israel blockade of Gaza:
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=israel+economic+blockade+of+gaza&atb=v197-1
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=israel+economic+blockade+of+gaza&atb=v197-1&ia=web

Annexation of the West Bank:
https://www.statista.com/chart/20001/number-of-israeli-settlers-living-in-the-west-bank-by-year/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israels-deadliest-west-bank-strike-since-oct-7-kills-a-family-of-four-relatives-say
https://abcnews.go.com/International/west-bank-violence-escalated-dramatically-killings-displacement-rise/story?id=104609970
https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/29/middleeast/israel-west-bank-settlements-expansion-intl

Palestinian vs Israel casualties:
https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/charts/
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-05-05-2025-d22caabfd2cf89e83fe06e649e6438ba

Are the Palestinians supposed to endure endless abuse and death. Or does it only matter if Israelis are the victims?

[Beastly Boy]

93. "Nobody here is supporting any terrorist attacks on Israel, but..."

Show me one condemnation of Hamas without the "but".

Your response is more telling than you may have intended it to be.

[moonshinegnomie]

69. wouldnt have to invade

a naval blockade around israel cut them off from the worlds economy until the leadership of the government is broguth to the hague in handcuffs

[cabotnn22]

18. GHF and Israel are denying it

Statement from GHF:

GHF said that “our aid was again distributed today without incident” and it was “aware of rumours being actively fomented by Hamas suggesting deaths and injuries”.

I'm sure the truth will come out, one way or another. I hope.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/01/israel-accused-of-firing-on-crowds-approaching-aid-hubs/

[Butterflylady]

21. I read Harretz, the newspaper that netanyaho is threatening to ban in Israel....

Mainly because they have the audacity to print the truth. And I sometimes read the Middle East Eye. Anyway, they both had stories of the atrocities of netanyaho and the IDF has done.

The Telegram is the same as the New York Post.

[cabotnn22]

24. Fine, here's Haaretz

Essentially saying the same thing as The Telegraph.

"Additionally, the GHF said aid was distributed on Sunday without incident, adding that "Reports of injuries and fatalities are completely false and fabricated. Please do not be duped by them."

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-01/ty-article/gazans-report-over-20-dead-in-israeli-attack-near-aid-distribution-site-distributors-deny/00000197-2a51-da41-a9f7-3fd5db130000

[AloeVera]

34. It's not Haaretz saying that. It's the new "IDF says...".

Why is it so hard to believe Palestinians? Scores of eyewitnesses are disregarded, while clinging desparately to the denial of one agency with shady provenance and beginnnings tied to Netanyahu's office and supported by Trump. Both wannabe ethnic cleansers and the worst of humanity.

From your article in Haaretz:

Eyewitnesses said thousands of people headed toward the distribution site hours before dawn, congregating at the Flag Roundabout, about a kilometer (1,000 yards) away, as they waited for the site to open. They said Israeli forces ordered people to disperse and come back later – before opening fire.

" They asked us to wait for 6 in the morning, and that we come through one secured corridor," said one Palestinian woman who was in the crowd. "We were thousands, if not more, coming from Gaza [City], Jabalya, Deir al-Balah, and other areas."

"Once we started going through the corridor, they opened fire from all directions," she added. "We didn't understand where the soldiers came from."

Amr Abu Teiba, who was also on the scene, backed up her account, saying, "There was fire from all directions, from naval warships, from tanks and drones."
He said he saw at least 10 bodies with gunshot wounds and several other wounded people, including women. People used carts to ferry the dead and wounded to the field hospital. "The scene was horrible," he said.

Ibrahim Abu Saoud, another eyewitness, provided a nearly identical account. He said the military fired around 300 meters (yards) away.

Abu Saoud said he saw many people with gunshot wounds, including a young man who he said had died at the scene. "We weren't able to help him," he said.

Mohammed Abu Teaima, 33, said he saw Israeli forces open fire and kill his cousin and another woman as they were heading toward the distribution site. He said his cousin was shot in his chest and died at the scene. Many others were wounded, including his brother-in-law, he said.

To deny food and aid for 10 weeks and then shoot at people desparate for the food you've denied them is unprecedented in its cruelty. In my lifetime.

The suffering in Gaza is unimaginable. No defense, no excuse.

[Beastly Boy]

40. "Why is it so hard to believe Palestinians?" Which Palestinians are you talking about?

Would one of them be the alleged eyewitness who, according to the quote you cited, claimed that "There was fire from all directions, from naval warships, from tanks and drones."?

Naval warships at least four miles away? With no direct line of fire to anywhere near the distribution center? Naval warships out of the range of any hand-held weapons conceivably responsible for the alleged shooting?

Do you seriously find this utter in your face nonsense easy to believe?

[mjvpi]

62. Just the fact that thousands of people have to get up before dawn to wait for food burns my soul.

Gaza is the low point in my lifetime as far as the extremes of what humans can do to each other. Yes, the October 7th attack is up there, too. Gaza is an order of magnitude worse by any measure. The political state of Israel, under their current leadership, has no moral high ground.

[AloeVera]

66. I know.. me too..

That's the essence of it. What humans can do to each other for treasure, land - holy or otherwise - power and tribal/ethnic/religious reasons is dismaying. We are all the same, none of us better or worse. But many people don't believe that.

To have to walk 10 kilometres or more on a long-empty stomach - just to get food, then be told to wait in line by drones - only to be shot and killed or wounded.. so inhumane.

[EX500rider]

78. "Gaza is the low point in my lifetime as far as the extremes of what humans can do to each other."

So are you very young or have a short memory?

Darfur Genocide (2003-2005): The systematic killing of ethnic Darfuri people by the Sudanese government and Janjaweed militias. The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM) notes that between 2003 and 2008, armed conflict and targeted killings caused an estimated 300,000 civilian deaths

Yazidis in Iraq and Syria: The Yazidis, a religious minority group, faced mass killings and enslavement by ISIS, particularly in the Sinjar region of Iraq starting in 2014.

Tigray War in Ethiopia: Since 2020, the Tigray region of Ethiopia has been embroiled in conflict, marked by allegations of war crimes and potential genocide against the Tigrayan people.

Rwandan Genocide: The 1994 Rwandan genocide saw the slaughter of an estimated 500,000 to 800,000 Tutsi people within approximately 100 days.

Etc

[mjvpi]

82. Point taken. I am not young. I was not aware of my country directly supplying high tech weaponry.....

….and siding with Goliath in those other atrocities. I had similar feelings about Chili and US foreign policy during Reagan and Iraq under Shrub. The compressed geography of Gaza and the total destruction of infrastructure coupled with the use of food supply as a weapon hurts, as I exist with everything that that I need and want. Plus, this is happening now. Unfortunately, you are absolutely correct. I did not, in anyway, mean to discount those other atrocities.

[toesonthenose]

26. Lies. Already being retracted by some news sources

Let the disgusting blood libel agains the Jews continue unabated without any desire to seek the truthful facts. But yes, let's just swallow hook, line and sinker any information disseminated by Hamas. I am not referring to you muriel, I am referring to the major news organizations that consistently have to change, amend or even delete major news stories after the damage has already been done. Shameful.

[claudette]

30. Oh, yes

Israel never does anything wrong! /s/

[Beastly Boy]

43. And the Hamas health agency never lies

[muriel_volestrangler]

33. It would be useful to link to those news sources (nt)

[Beastly Boy]

42. It was easy enough to look them up.

It was not immediately clear who had opened fire in the southern Gaza city of Rafah

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/01/world/middleeast/gaza-aid-distribution-site-attack.html

t was not yet known whether the death and injuries were caused by Israeli forces, private contractors or others.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/un-official-says-47-were-wounded-mostly-by-gunfire-when-crowd-overran-aid-hub-in-gaza/ar-AA1FCsg7

Whatever did happen, it is clear that at least one medical facility, the Nasser hospital, received a large number of casualties, with a doctor telling the BBC that many had bullet wounds.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c628n68zpj6t

[muriel_volestrangler]

54. No "walking back" or claim that the info in the OP is "lies" in those excerpts (nt)

[Beastly Boy]

58. Of course there was.

Previous reports only quoted Palestinian sources without further comment. Those sources blamed the incident squarely on Israel.

The disclaimer that should have been included when the stories first ran is a walk back from the sources' previous editorial stance, and only appeared recently.

[muriel_volestrangler]

61. The OP mentioned the initial Israeli and GHF response

"The Israel Defense Forces said they were “currently unaware” of injuries caused by their fire at the aid site, but that they were looking into it. The foundation claimed in a statement that it delivered aid “without incident” early on Sunday and has denied previous accounts of chaos and gunfire around its sites, which are in Israeli military zones where independent access is limited."

The BBC had already, about an hour before I posted the OP, noted

Israeli military 'unaware of injuries caused by IDF fire' at aid distribution site

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) says it's "currently unaware of injuries caused by IDF fire" at the humanitarian aid distribution site.

"The matter is still under review," it adds in a statement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c628n68zpj6t?post=asset%3Ab2dcd8f5-51c2-4236-8f03-53c21561590d#post

So, not a retraction by the BBC.

I'm unaware of any earlier NYT article on this (your post was the first time the NYT has been linked to or quoted in this thread; both versions at the archive site https://archive.ph/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/01/world/middleeast/gaza-aid-distribution-site-attack.html have the quote you used), so I can't see how that's a "retraction".

Your AP/MSN link is about an incident 4 days ago, so clearly it is pretty hard to look this up.

[Beastly Boy]

71. Your OP cites The Guardian: "Palestinians gunned down while trying to reach food aid site in Gaza, hospital says"

Here is the timeline of the BBC news feed:

02:38 - "thousands of Palestinians had gathered near a humanitarian aid distribution centre when Israeli tanks approached and opened fire on the crowd. "

02:54 - "The bodies of the dead and wounded have been taken on donkey carts from the site that was hit near a US-funded aid distribution centre in Rafah in southern Gaza.

4:10 - "BBC Verify has been scouring social media for footage purporting to show scenes from this morning. So far, much of the video is of bodies being carried on horse carts and in the back of lorries to Nasser hospital in Khan Younis, rather than of the actual incidents unfolding."

4:39 - "It’s not clear at this moment whether the deceased are people who have been killed in today’s incident or not. But we’re trying to establish the facts and we’ll bring you the latest information as we get it. "

Your OP appears at 5:02. The header of your OP: "Palestinians gunned down while trying to reach food aid site in Gaza, hospital says"

5:09 - "We've just received an update from the Palestinian Red Crescent, in which they say their teams have transported 23 fatalities and 23 injured people from the aid distribution point in Rafah."

6:11 - "Reports of deaths and injuries 'false and fabricated' - Gaza Humanitarian Foundation"

8:01 - "Exact circumstances of today's incident remain unclear"

12:00 - "Israel Defense Forces (IDF) says initial findings show its forces "did not fire at civilians while they were near or within" the aid distribution site. In a statement, it called reports suggesting otherwise “false” and urged the media to “be cautious" with information published by Hamas."

12:36 - "One Palestinian who said he was there said that chaos broke out among the huge crowd and that Israeli forces opened fire as the situation got out of control."

and

"Whatever did happen, it is clear that at least one medical facility, the Nasser hospital, received a large number of casualties, with a doctor telling the BBC that many had bullet wounds.

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Your OP was posted an hour after BBC verified that the reports of casualties at the food distribution center were false, and you, some 14 hours later, have yet to acknowledge that your OP is based on false information.

The "local Palestinian journalist" in the 2:38 report turning into "One Palestinian" in the 12:36 report alone is a retraction. And the whole sequence walks the story back from ""thousands of Palestinians had gathered near a humanitarian aid distribution centre when Israeli tanks approached and opened fire on the crowd. " to "Exact circumstances of today's incident remain unclear", something that should have been said at 2:38, shows a clear overall walking back pattern.

[muriel_volestrangler]

75. No. You're making stuff up.

"BBC verified that the reports of casualties at the food distribution center were false" is made up. Nothing there says that, or that the OP is "is based on false information".

'The "local Palestinian journalist" in the 2:38 report turning into "One Palestinian" in the 12:36 report' is in no way a retraction. It doesn't say this was the same person. It doesn't say it wasn't the same person. The two sections are compatible, whether or not they're the same person.

It does not "walk the story back" -"thousands of Palestinians..." comes from a named journalist (Mohammed Ghareeb). The BBC later saying "Exact circumstances of today's incident remain unclear" is pointing out that still ("remain" ), the precise events are being sorted out; for instance, as I already pointed out, the BBC reported that the IDF said it was "currently unaware of injuries caused by IDF fire" - at 0401 EDT.

[moonshinegnomie]

39. you mean th egroup that murdered 15 aid workers and tried to cover it up?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/02/evidence-execution-style-killings-palestinian-workers-israeli-forces-doctor-says

[Beastly Boy]

45. Hamas murdered 15 aid workers and tried to cover it up? Why isn't it in the news?

The only reference to a group in the post you replied to was to Hamas.

But maybe you are referring to the group in charge of food distribution centers. In this case... GHF murdered 15 aid workers and tried to cover it up? Why isn't it in the news?

[moonshinegnomie]

63. the IDF is a terrorist organization

from the article.

The Israel Defense Forces and Benjamin Netanyahu’s government have said IDF soldiers opened fire on the ambulances and rescue vehicles because they were “advancing suspiciously toward IDF troops without headlights or emergency signals

or fro another article
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) announced on Sunday that an internal investigation into its killing of 15 humanitarian and medical workers in Gaza has found “several professional failures, breaches of orders, and a failure to fully report the incident.”

The report says that “in general” there was no attempt to conceal the event, despite recognizing soldiers buried the bodies and crushed the ambulances, asserting that doing the latter “was wrong.”

The military first claimed soldiers opened fire on vehicles without lights or markings approaching in the dark. But after a video recovered from the mobile phone of one of those killed emerged showing clearly marked ambulances with their lights on, the military changed its account.




https://www.politico.eu/article/israeli-military-says-review-into-its-killing-of-gaza-aid-workers-found-professional-failures/

[Beastly Boy]

72. Sure, designated so by you.

And I am the Emperor of France, designated so by me, Napoleon Bonaparte.

[Exp]

37. Fucking insane, hateful bastards. This shit just doesn't stop. Who are you going to believe? Just view the before and

after pics of Gaza.

[Beastly Boy]

46. Who are you referring to as "fucking insane hateful bastards"?

In light of the most recent available information, you might want to get a bit more specific:

It was not immediately clear who had opened fire in the southern Gaza city of Rafah

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/01/world/middleeast/gaza-aid-distribution-site-attack.html

t was not yet known whether the death and injuries were caused by Israeli forces, private contractors or others.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/un-official-says-47-were-wounded-mostly-by-gunfire-when-crowd-overran-aid-hub-in-gaza/ar-AA1FCsg7

Whatever did happen, it is clear that at least one medical facility, the Nasser hospital, received a large number of casualties, with a doctor telling the BBC that many had bullet wounds.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c628n68zpj6t

[Exp]

48. "Don't believe your eyes, just believe what we say" Got it.

[Beastly Boy]

53. You probably don't even realize how ironic your post is.

You don't believe your eyes when they are looking at articles from AP, BBC and NY Times saying the same thing?

Well, I am impressed, and not in a good way.

[moniss]

38. Using food as bait. nt

[Beastly Boy]

41. Is the UN using food as bait to..(well, I am not sure who they are supposed to bait and for what purpose)?

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/food-trucks-gaza-raided-underscoring-aid-distribution-problems-2025-05-28/

Feel free to elaborate.

[Exp]

50. Using ANY food deliveries as bait to slaughter the "animals", right?

[Beastly Boy]

55. Good to know it was a general statement that includes the UN

Now, all that is left for you to address is, how in the world such elaborate, logistically mind boggling and expensive operations that involve so many international entities can be justified if their sole purpose is to bait people for slaughter.

Take your time.

[Exp]

57. It's not that complicated. Say, much less complicated than bombing an entire culture out of existence.

[Beastly Boy]

60. Apparently, staying on subject is complicated enough for you.

So forgive me if I don't take your assessment seriously.

[moniss]

64. Throughout the destruction of Gaza

since 10/07/23 we have plenty of instances of the IDF receiving requests for ambulances to be allowed to go to retrieve injured or dead and the IDF giving it's approval only to have those personnel attacked and killed when they do go to do the retrieval. The bait being the approval. If it only happened once or twice I would simply chalk it up to tragic error in the fog of conflict. But it is more than the once or twice.

Or telling people to evacuate to an area designated as safe and then bombing it later. The bait being the promise of a safe haven.
Do we completely discount the IDF soldiers who have spoken about terrible conduct? If we are to believe that there is none then this would be the first large sustained conflict in the history of the world not to have incidents of bad conduct. Especially among long-standing adversaries.

I have made the point before and I will do so again that I do not say Israel should not have gone after Hamas. I do say that I thoroughly disagree in the manner it has been done. There were other ways to pursue this and nobody doubts for one moment the superiority of the IDF compared to Hamas. But wise people and leaders know that just because you can do a thing a certain way doesn't mean you should do it that way as opposed to a different way. But Netanyahu and the radical right have had a longstanding agenda and have stated it over and over regarding expansion etc. and they are going to do that no matter the cost to Israel.

By insisting all along since 1967 that only Israel can have a military presence in Gaza or the West Bank it precluded a solution like the Sinai and has resulted not in peace for Israel but in thousands of lives lost with no end in sight. Just because a line is drawn in the sand it doesn't erase the seeds of violence sown. That crop becomes an eternal scourge.

[Beastly Boy]

73. So "Using food as bait. nt" was not meant to be an accurate statement.

And your post was not meant to be a response to mine, right?

Thank you for elaborating.

[Richard D]

47. There have been so many lies coming out of the . . .

Last edited Sun Jun 1, 2025, 03:24 PM - Edit history (1)

. . . The Gaza health ministry, the Red Cross, and the UN. Yet people still believe without even the possibility of question.

It's like they want to believe the worst possible things about the Jews.

And I get yelled at for pointing out the antisemitism in this.

[AloeVera]

52. No comment.

I will hold my tongue.

[Richard D]

56. Could you post a photo of that?

[Mosby]

84. The BBC just admitted they were duped.

Just like always.

Link to tweet

[AloeVera]

86. I see...

I see that now this video of a totally DIFFERENT apparent massacre at another location is going to be used to exonerate the IDF of the Rafah aid massacre. Though the two things have nothing at all to do with each other - except both appear to be massacres of human beings.

Create doubt, shift blame, evade accountability. Rinse and repeat.

Same as it ever was.

[Beastly Boy]

94. Call me crazy, but I think a massacre not happening at the food distribution center is a pretty convincing

exoneration for a massacre that didn't happen at the food distribution center.

[Mosby]

83. BBC admits they were duped.

Link to tweet

It doesn't matter though....

[muriel_volestrangler]

85. No, that's the BBC saying an Al Jazeera journalist made a false claim about a video

It was posted with a caption by an Al Jazeera journalist stating: "New footage reveals the horrific massacre committed by Israeli forces near a US aid distribution site in southern Gaza."

We have geolocated the clip to a spot in Khan Younis about 4.5km (2.8 miles) from the nearest aid distribution point. The direction of shadows suggests it was filmed in the evening, not the morning, which doesn't match accounts of the Rafah shootings.

While verifying the clip, a local journalist who filmed another video of the same scene confirmed to us that the events pictured are unrelated to any aid distribution site, and occurred yesterday evening after 19:00 local time (16:00 GMT).

The circumstances of this strike are unclear. The Israel Defense Forces has been approached for comment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ceqgvwyjjg8t?post=asset%3A35f56807-3d67-42e3-bc72-851016d5a2b2#post

The BBC has not been showing that video, nor using its claim.

Eyal Yakoby (23 year old Trump fan - see his Twitter bio) is making things worse with false claims like that.

[AloeVera]

87. And some are so quick to try to exonerate the IDF

In their haste and use of propaganda accounts, they neglect to stop and think. And that is a generous assessment.

The only thing "proven" is that yet another massacre may have been committed.

[cabotnn22]

89. And some are so quick to blame the IDF

If a massacre has occurred, odds are it was committed by Hamas. They're the ones who've told people not to use GHF. They're the ones who shot and killed four Gazans after its warehouses (where they hoarded food) were raided by civilians.

[AloeVera]

90. Not quick, just maybe a little more up-to-date and not so gullible.

And a little jaded after witnessing the horror of the last 19 months and the many lies and propaganda needed to sustain it.

So on May 27, at an "aid centre" in Rafah set up by GHF, a crowd of the starved overran the centre and were "fired upon". One person died and 48 were wounded from gunshot wounds. The IDF, guarding from a distance, said it only fired "warning shots".

The crowd of Palestinians broke through fences Tuesday around the distribution site where thousands had gathered. An Associated Press journalist heard Israeli tank and gunfire and saw a military helicopter firing flares.

At one time I too believed in the tooth fairy, but some still do apparently - as grown adults!

Then, on May 28th - the incident you refer to:

Palestinians burst into the UN’s World Food Program warehouse Wednesday in central Gaza. Two people were fatally crushed in the crowd, while two others died of gunshot wounds, officials at Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital said.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/israel-hamas-war/article/crowd-is-fired-on-at-chaotic-gaza-aid-distribution-site-killing-at-least-1-and-wounding-48/

It was a WFP warehouse with goods destined for distribution. Hamas was not hoarding food there as you claim. Unless you believe the WFP was hoarding food for Hamas lol. These were starving people, mixed in with the usual looting criminal gangs that Israel strangely has allowed to flourish.

Then, a few days later, the Rafah aid massacre occurs.

All this was warned about by the UN and real aid agencies. Israel didn't listen because it has its own agenda of starving and killing the Palestinians out of Gaza - meaning creating conditions so inhuman -as if more inhumanity is even possible - that they will "volunteer" to "emigrate". It fits well into that plan. It's disgusting and we should all be condemning it instead of helping with the narrative needed to make it happen.

[cabotnn22]

91. I do think the WFP works with Hamas

Yes. Many aid agencies coordinate with Hamas to "distribute" aid to the people. Hamas is the government in charge of Gaza.

Re: the raid on the warehouse. They weren't criminal gangs - they were people who were starving. Hamas may have said they were criminal gangs, but only an idiot would take Hamas at its word. Even the WFP said they were desperate people. Maybe to Hamas and Hamas supporters they were criminal gangs, but I tend to believe that they were starving people desperate for food.

In all honesty, I feel bad for ordinary Gazans...their terrorist government started a war and put its own population at risk. Not that they care. Sinwar was on record as saying he didn't care if 100,000 of his own people died. The newest one, Osama Hamdan (for now - though I'm not sure if he is officially the head of Hamas...I do know his fat ass is in Qatar as Gazans suffer) urged people not to use GHF which is why, logically, it would make more sense for Hamas to fire on its own people who were seeking aid and food at that location. It wouldn't be the first time they slaughtered their own people.

[AloeVera]

95. Now you're backtracking.

"They're the ones who shot and killed four Gazans after its warehouses (where they hoarded food) were raided by civilians."

You specifically said that was a Hamas warehouse were they (Hamas) hoarded food.

Glad to see that you acknowledge the starvation. There are others who deny it. Of course they were starving people, I said that too. But there were 2 people crushed and 2 people shot. I don't know if ordinary people carry around guns in Gaza. You of course think it was Hamas. But in case you didn't know, criminal gangs have been allowed to run rampant and are responsible for most of the looting for many months. I am neither Hamas or a Hamas supporter, but I do read reports by UN agencies on the ground.

After 3 months of food blockade, this was bound to happen. You would do the same for your family and even yourself. In a sane and just world the starvation would never have been allowed to happen. But we live in a terrible world.

I think that truly feeling bad for Palestinians would entail wanting to end their suffering. Continuing to put the blame on Hamas, and Hamas only, while ignoring the deliberateness of Israel's cruel policies, is not going to help end Palestinian suffering.

[AloeVera]

97. Another massacre. Today, at least another 24 killed.

https://archive.is/SjqnX

IDF: We shot towards suspects who took the wrong route. It happened several hours before the aid centre opened and at night, towards dawn.

Hmmm...Just like a few days ago, in the incident under discussion in this o/p.

Witnesses: this was sustained, continuous gunfire, the kind only the military can carry out.

This wasn't shooting by armed factions or looters – it was heavy and direct fire, like on a battlefield," said an eyewitness.

GHF: nothing to see here.

Systematic, deliberate and viciously cruel. As planned.

Done here with the denial of atrocities on this thread, the clinging to IDF lies and propaganda, which enables and prolongs the starvation and suffering. It is, frankly, nauseating.

[lapucelle]

98. Your headline attributes the claim to Hamas terrorists.

Sorry, but the claims of extremist theocratic terrorists just aren’t reliable.

Sounds like either another Hamas propaganda fairytale or another instance of Hamas exerting autocratic control on the people of Gaza by denying them access to food.

[Mosby]

88. There is no evidence of the rafah incident besides this clip

And BBC now says "the circumstances of this strike are unclear".

[muriel_volestrangler]

96. There are eye-witnesses. Some have been quoted in this thread.

The hospitals have given the descriptions of the dead and wounded. This is evidence.

This clip dates from well after this story was first reported, and after this thread started for that matter. It was not the basis for the reporting.

[lapucelle]

99. From the OP's link: "Officials at the field hospital did not say who opened fire..."

It’s frankly disgusting (but not surprising) that Hamas is gunning down people.

What is surprising is the number of folks on social media who begin their tweets with “but Hamas says….” and take for granted that whatever follows isn’t pure propaganda.

[muriel_volestrangler]

100. Whenever Hamas does gun down people, yes, it's disgusting.

But Mosby was claiming that the only evidence of the Sunday Rafah incident was that video clip. That's wrong; the hospital workers clearly say they received dozens of casualties, with over 20 dead (and there's video of them in the hospitals, for that matter). The incident really did happen. And many eye-witnesses say that it was Israelis who were firing.

[Beastly Boy]

103. Dozens of casualties at a hospital does not amount to evidence of anything taking place at the distribution center,

The surveillance footage at the distribution center does.

One shows evidence of casualties whose origins are undetermined, the other shows evidence of their absence at the distribution center.

And many witnesses were saying they were under naval fire. Go figure.

Putting the two together amounts to evidence of no casualties at the distribution center and casualties at an undetermined location elsewhere.

It's a matter of putting two and two together and adding zeros to it. Not a very complicated math equation.