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BumRushDaShow

(165,148 posts)
Wed May 21, 2025, 05:01 PM May 2025

Staffers quit over Kristi Noem's 4-hour 'fishing expedition' polygraphs: report

Source: Raw Story

May 21, 2025 9:16AM ET


Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem's obsession with tracking down leakers in her department has led to an exodus of employees who would rather quit than listen to threats or be subjected to intrusive polygraph tests.

According to a report from the Wall Street Journal, the polygraphs that began back in February have continued unabated as she and top adviser Corey Lewandowski have personally singled out employees in numbers that one former official labeled "unprecedented."

With the Journal's Michelle Hackman and Tarini Parti labeling what is going on behind closed doors at the agency as a "fishing expedition," they reported, "... many have said the seeming randomness has created a chilling effect inside the department." The report notes that some interrogations that have taken place "in a small interrogation room in Virginia with a one-way mirror," have lasted up to four hours and that has helped lead to an exodus from the department.

"Some employees have been placed on administrative leave following their polygraphs, while others have resigned rather than take the exams, according to people familiar with the dynamics inside DHS," the report states while also noting that Noem confidante Madison Sheahan, the No. 2 official at ICE, "... routinely threatens to subject employees to polygraphs in meetings."

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/noem-leakers-staffers-quit/

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Staffers quit over Kristi Noem's 4-hour 'fishing expedition' polygraphs: report (Original Post) BumRushDaShow May 2025 OP
Top Adviser and Snuggle Bunny Corey Lewandowski. tanyev May 2025 #1
mr. "womp womp" himself, eh? looks like her plan is working: empty out the office, get rid of all employees orleans May 2025 #31
Sorting out their KGB-Stasi-Style-RepubliKlones BoRaGard May 2025 #2
This is the goal. All decent professional employees will quit. Irish_Dem May 2025 #3
It sucks that many good employees are leaving, but I can't blame them one bit. groundloop May 2025 #18
I don't blame them. Working for the Trump Crime Syndicate is not on my bucket list. Irish_Dem May 2025 #19
I wish they wouldn't quit, because we need people on our side watching them.... diverdownjt May 2025 #35
Anyone decent and professional will most likely get fired. Irish_Dem May 2025 #38
Is this the same Kristi Noem who, a couple of days ago, said this? MarineCombatEngineer May 2025 #4
"Honorable?" Just Jerome May 2025 #11
Well done, Sen. Hassan! ShazzieB May 2025 #14
They need to start spelling her name right, Gnome. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2025 #22
We've seen this before NBachers May 2025 #25
Clearly she's gotten where she is because she's easy on the eyes. calimary May 2025 #27
She may have had some work done... progressoid May 2025 #40
Kinda looks like it! calimary May 2025 #41
Mar-a-Lago face progressoid May 2025 #42
We already know that Noem has no law degree FakeNoose May 2025 #43
I would take her damn polygraph Puppyjive May 2025 #5
Governing is so 2024... rubbersole May 2025 #8
Which is exactly WHY they were appointed. flying_wahini May 2025 #9
She doesn't know what's in the very first article of the US constitution IronLionZion May 2025 #20
"... but she photographs well... " calimary May 2025 #28
Case Study Falcon101 May 2025 #6
This is what you get for replacing competence with cable news conspiracy theorists. Initech May 2025 #7
The people most likely to quit are the most competent ones, the ones who have other prospects. Midnight Writer May 2025 #10
Which will no doubt be framed as--they had something to hide Bayard May 2025 #24
But no way that the leaks came from themselves through their fantastic signal app and drunks talking LiberalArkie May 2025 #12
Trump and Co hate others as much as they hate themselves. nt Exp May 2025 #13
Polygraphs aren't admissible in court for a reason! crimycarny May 2025 #15
It's easy. Just focus on tightening your butt hole the whole time. multigraincracker May 2025 #32
That might have worked in the past. But a movement pad was added about a decade ago. NT 24601 May 2025 #46
After I passes it the cop cofessed multigraincracker May 2025 #47
While polygraph results aren't admissible in court, any statements you make during the exam are. You are also required 24601 May 2025 #36
That's why I'd never take one crimycarny May 2025 #45
The perso giving me the test said 90% multigraincracker May 2025 #48
Yep, the only purpose of a polygraph is intimidation William Seger May 2025 #37
Of course but Noem doesn't care FakeNoose May 2025 #44
C-word rickyhall May 2025 #16
she is a horrible sick brain-damaged person LymphocyteLover May 2025 #17
Kristi Noem ought to be subjected to polygraph, to see if she actually believes Jack Valentino May 2025 #21
The whole of them are drunk with power. JohnnyRingo May 2025 #23
Well THAT'S gonna do wonders for employee morale. calimary May 2025 #26
Context: polygraphs are woo-woo, dowsing rods, Ouija boards. They are bunk. RockRaven May 2025 #29
THEY SHOULD ALL QUIT,.. JUSt walk out giving her and TRUMP the finger YoshidaYui May 2025 #30
Let's feed her and her boss to a pack of hungry dogs. multigraincracker May 2025 #33
Kristi Noem should be drug tested immediately. Emile May 2025 #34
she lives by the belief of, "it's better to look good that to be (feel) good" Javaman May 2025 #39

orleans

(36,629 posts)
31. mr. "womp womp" himself, eh? looks like her plan is working: empty out the office, get rid of all employees
Thu May 22, 2025, 12:27 AM
May 2025

and cosplay barbie and snuggle bunny can do the lewandowski WOMP WOMP on her desk without staffer interruptus



BoRaGard

(7,591 posts)
2. Sorting out their KGB-Stasi-Style-RepubliKlones
Wed May 21, 2025, 05:09 PM
May 2025

Anyone loyal to the Constitution, the USA, or the Rule of Law is immediately fingered, then flung under the bus.

Only submissively obedient entities who will swear an oath to The Tyrant (R) will be kept.

Tromp, tromp, tromp - G.O.P. Boots are stomping on America, democracy, and the truth.

Irish_Dem

(79,367 posts)
3. This is the goal. All decent professional employees will quit.
Wed May 21, 2025, 05:11 PM
May 2025

Deviant MAGAs will be the only people in the federal workforce.

diverdownjt

(736 posts)
35. I wish they wouldn't quit, because we need people on our side watching them....
Thu May 22, 2025, 06:45 AM
May 2025

I understand how painful that is. I worked for 25yrs. at DIA(denver int. airport) surrounded by these nutjobs...and I don't
want hear it...these assholes got zero redeeming qualities. I had 2 other Dem's in my 25 person workgroup. If these good
govt. types stick it out they might be in place when this all goes to hell in a hand basket. We need their experience and
competence to put things right when the time comes. Does this sound right? I hope so.

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,552 posts)
4. Is this the same Kristi Noem who, a couple of days ago, said this?
Wed May 21, 2025, 05:13 PM
May 2025


And this is coming from Been A Dick Donald's DHS Secy.

ShazzieB

(22,148 posts)
14. Well done, Sen. Hassan!
Wed May 21, 2025, 07:32 PM
May 2025

Don't let that stupid lying scum bucket get away with her stupid lies!

Seriously, Hassan handled that brilliantly, and Noem's empty minded ignorance was on full display! This is the kind of video footage that makes me proud to be a Democrat!

calimary

(88,861 posts)
27. Clearly she's gotten where she is because she's easy on the eyes.
Wed May 21, 2025, 11:53 PM
May 2025

Seen it. They get away with more if they’re pretty.

calimary

(88,861 posts)
41. Kinda looks like it!
Thu May 22, 2025, 12:29 PM
May 2025

She looked just fine in the “Before” photo. Naturally pretty. Now, she looks rather contrived and artificial. That’s quite an overhaul!

Maybe a more accurate match for her personality now, though.

FakeNoose

(39,998 posts)
43. We already know that Noem has no law degree
Thu May 22, 2025, 12:38 PM
May 2025

... and apparently no comprehension of basic legal terminology either.

Puppyjive

(911 posts)
5. I would take her damn polygraph
Wed May 21, 2025, 05:51 PM
May 2025

And then tell her to shove it up her ass. That is clearly unreasonable search and seizure. One thing is really clear to me about this administration and the losers they appoint: They have no clue how to govern.

IronLionZion

(50,728 posts)
20. She doesn't know what's in the very first article of the US constitution
Wed May 21, 2025, 08:21 PM
May 2025

let alone the fourth amendment. She doesn't care about your rights. I suspect she would fail a US citizenship exam.

Falcon101

(75 posts)
6. Case Study
Wed May 21, 2025, 05:53 PM
May 2025

Perfect case study for leadership classes on how to increase employee motivation and engagement.

Midnight Writer

(25,120 posts)
10. The people most likely to quit are the most competent ones, the ones who have other prospects.
Wed May 21, 2025, 07:04 PM
May 2025

As for the rest, treat your workers like shit and they are not going to give you their best.

LiberalArkie

(19,210 posts)
12. But no way that the leaks came from themselves through their fantastic signal app and drunks talking
Wed May 21, 2025, 07:18 PM
May 2025

crimycarny

(1,980 posts)
15. Polygraphs aren't admissible in court for a reason!
Wed May 21, 2025, 07:41 PM
May 2025

They are junk science with results that vary wildly based on the polygrapher and analysis of the tests.

Studies have shown that people with anxiety disorders are likely to fail a polygraph test even when telling the truth, and people who are sociopaths (like Trump) can pass a polygraph test when lying with abandon.

What a complete farce and waste of taxpayer money. Kristi Noem needs to go back to her costume-wearing cosplay.

24601

(4,132 posts)
36. While polygraph results aren't admissible in court, any statements you make during the exam are. You are also required
Thu May 22, 2025, 07:03 AM
May 2025

to acknowledge that the exam, as well as accompanying conversations, may be observed & recorded.

crimycarny

(1,980 posts)
45. That's why I'd never take one
Thu May 22, 2025, 01:20 PM
May 2025

It never makes sense to me how much weight police put on if someone passes or fails a polygraph. And if they refuse a polygraph, they are assumed to be guilty.

But, as everyone is pointing out, Noem is forcing the polygraphs as an attempt to intimidate. I have to wonder how much this is costing taxpayers. Not just in the test itself, but in the aftermath of people quitting, reduced productivity, etc.

multigraincracker

(36,841 posts)
48. The perso giving me the test said 90%
Thu May 22, 2025, 04:24 PM
May 2025

of those he gave the test confess before they went any further.
During any questions by the police, demand you a lawyer with you. Your 5th Amendment Right. Then don’t say anything.
Police can legally lie to you and you can’t to them.

William Seger

(12,166 posts)
37. Yep, the only purpose of a polygraph is intimidation
Thu May 22, 2025, 07:19 AM
May 2025

... but for that purpose, they are effective, because most people think they really are "lie detectors."

FakeNoose

(39,998 posts)
44. Of course but Noem doesn't care
Thu May 22, 2025, 12:44 PM
May 2025

She just wants to intimidate (and force the resignation of) anyone who might become a snitch later on. This was probably Chump's idea because he hates people who prefer to tell the truth.

Jack Valentino

(4,251 posts)
21. Kristi Noem ought to be subjected to polygraph, to see if she actually believes
Wed May 21, 2025, 09:54 PM
May 2025

half of the stupid shit which comes out of her mouth!


I would be interested in the results of that....


JohnnyRingo

(20,414 posts)
23. The whole of them are drunk with power.
Wed May 21, 2025, 10:38 PM
May 2025

They all want to be dictators in their departments.
The final word, the ultimate judge, and the unquestioned authority, answering only to the Big Boss.. Every one of them.

When he was running he said he was going to be a dictator on day one. MAGAs voted for him anyway, but if they let him be a dictator on day one, he can be a dictator on day two and three.

YoshidaYui

(44,907 posts)
30. THEY SHOULD ALL QUIT,.. JUSt walk out giving her and TRUMP the finger
Thu May 22, 2025, 12:05 AM
May 2025

all those phones ringing, who is gonna answer them all . Kristi You?

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Javaman

(65,048 posts)
39. she lives by the belief of, "it's better to look good that to be (feel) good"
Thu May 22, 2025, 08:19 AM
May 2025

she's a sociopath of low intelligence

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