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Botany

(74,202 posts)
Sat May 17, 2025, 07:03 AM Saturday

Trump admin permits sale of device that allows standard firearms to fire like machine guns

Source: NBC

The Justice Department on Friday announced a settlement in a lawsuit brought by the National Association for Gun Rights. The lawsuit challenged an ATF rule banning "forced reset triggers" -- devices that allow semiautomatic weapons to fire rapid bursts of bullets.

"This Department of Justice believes that the 2nd Amendment is not a second-class right," Attorney General Pamela Bondi said in a statement. "And we are glad to end a needless cycle of litigation with a settlement that will enhance public safety."

Vanessa Gonzalez, a spokeswoman for Giffords, the national gun violence prevention group led by former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, condemned the move.

"The Trump administration has just effectively legalized machine guns. Lives will be lost because of his actions," said Gonzalez. "This is an incredibly dangerous move that will enable shooters to inflict horrific damage. The only people who benefit from these being on the market are the people who will make money from selling them, everyone else will suffer the consequences."

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/trump-admin-permits-sale-device-allows-standard-firearms-fire-machine-rcna207395



This is pure madness and it will kill and wound dog only knows how many Americans.

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"Gun violence is a leading cause of premature death in the U.S. Guns kill more than 48,000 people a year, and firearm injuries were among the five leading causes of death for people ages 1-44 in the U.S in 2022, according to CDC. As a longtime advocate for violence prevention policies, APHA* recognizes a comprehensive public health approach to addressing this growing crisis is necessary."

* American Public Health Administration
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Trump admin permits sale of device that allows standard firearms to fire like machine guns (Original Post) Botany Saturday OP
This could literally backfire on them. C_U_L8R Saturday #1
If they think this is a constitutional right, then let them be carried in the Whitehouse. Doodley Saturday #2
Trump says bump stocks make the gun into a machine gun. Norrrm Saturday #3
So did sPam Blondie take checks from the firearms industry also? benfranklin1776 Saturday #4
It seems his entire agenda Maine Abu El Banat Saturday #5
I daresay NJCher Saturday #11
Gun safety is not a "liberal" issue, it is a public safety issue. n/t GenThePerservering Saturday #15
Was expecting the last part of that to be "is to kill people for no reason." Which is absolutely true. And pisses us off Karasu Saturday #17
I would really like to see what would happen if the DNC produced some ads about LiberalArkie Saturday #6
Republican policies kill Americans. CaptainTruth Saturday #7
I can't. Facts are facts. Botany Saturday #13
They just lost at the Supreme Court Beck23 Saturday #8
Who do we have no right to protect ourselves from gun violence in this country? travelingthrulife Saturday #9
Not enough children are getting shot in this country! Turbineguy Saturday #10
Democratic presidents are shepherds Marthe48 Saturday #12
Get one now! BidenRocks Saturday #14
Like the "great Al Capone" Drumpf rambles about. He wants a violent, lawless country. Take it to the bank. nt Evolve Dammit Saturday #16
As long as those violent thugs are pro Trump Krasnov is fine with them. Botany Saturday #19
We are in for the fight. Fascism will be defeated again. They brought it, not us. Like Russia, Hungary... n/t Evolve Dammit Saturday #24
This is totally the action of a sane country where sane people would actually want to live. Karasu Saturday #18
An FRT trigger in action: LudwigPastorius Saturday #20
30 rounds in 5 seconds is full on auto Botany Saturday #21
Gun nuts are praising the device as easier to operate, and more consistent, than a bump stock. LudwigPastorius Saturday #22
The first school mass shooting... purr-rat beauty Saturday #23
This Department of Justice believes that the 2nd Amendment is not a second-class right 3825-87867 Saturday #25
It's a simple bit of plastic and a spring but it amazes me.., underpants Saturday #26
I can see a small group of hunters where this may help. BidenRocks Saturday #27

Doodley

(10,912 posts)
2. If they think this is a constitutional right, then let them be carried in the Whitehouse.
Sat May 17, 2025, 07:32 AM
Saturday

Norrrm

(1,614 posts)
3. Trump says bump stocks make the gun into a machine gun.
Sat May 17, 2025, 08:05 AM
Saturday

Trump says bump stocks make the gun into a machine gun.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-announces-bump-stock-type-devices-final-rule

Justice Sotomayor Torches Conservative Members of SCOTUS Over Bump Stock Ruling

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219035760
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https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141997829

"Trump is taking steps toward banning gun bump stocks and strengthening background checks for gun purchasers," it says. "The President has made his intent very clear: 'making our schools and our children safer will be our top priority.'"

Trump will tell any lie, any story, if it will bring him money.

benfranklin1776

(6,853 posts)
4. So did sPam Blondie take checks from the firearms industry also?
Sat May 17, 2025, 08:53 AM
Saturday

As that seems to be her MO-cash in on advocating for those who pay for inflicting harm on the American people and do their legal bidding as their handmaiden? See generally Qatar, Corporate ripoff artists, Polluters…:

Karasu

(1,189 posts)
17. Was expecting the last part of that to be "is to kill people for no reason." Which is absolutely true. And pisses us off
Sat May 17, 2025, 02:49 PM
Saturday

by extension.

LiberalArkie

(18,264 posts)
6. I would really like to see what would happen if the DNC produced some ads about
Sat May 17, 2025, 09:05 AM
Saturday

"We believe it may be time for us to arm ourselves to protect the nation and our families"

What would their reaction be?

Botany

(74,202 posts)
13. I can't. Facts are facts.
Sat May 17, 2025, 10:58 AM
Saturday

Over the last few years, gun violence in the United States has become an increasingly deadly public health crisis. In 2021, firearms were the leading cause of death for children and adolescents aged one to 19 years old for a second year in a row in the United States, with 4,733 deaths from firearms, which accounted for more deaths than car crashes and other diseases in that year. This is an increase from the previous year, when there were 4,357 deaths from firearms.

Gun violence in the U.S.

Along with a rise in gun-related deaths, the United States has been experiencing an overall increase in gun violence, including mass shootings, school shootings, and gun homicides. Not surprisingly, the United States has also reported in increase in gun sales, with the unit sales for firearms reaching a new high in recent years.

A uniquely American problem

Despite the rise of gun violence and gun-related deaths, guns remain easily accessible in the United States and gun control has become a divisive issue throughout the nation. However, gun control proponents often call attention to the uniquely American phenomenon of school shootings. Since 2018, the annual number of incidents involving firearms at K-12 schools in the U.S. reached over 100 in each year, while similar incidents in other countries with strict gun laws are exceptionally rare.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1384047/leading-causes-of-death-for-children-and-teens-us/

Btw I have owned a few guns (4 total 2 20 guage pump shotguns with slug tubes for deer, 1 .22
bolt action rifle for ground hogs, and 1 30-30 rifle I inherited that I haven’t fired for years) for years
and I would give them up in a minute if I thought it would help stop this madness.

Beck23

(382 posts)
8. They just lost at the Supreme Court
Sat May 17, 2025, 09:51 AM
Saturday

So they had to come up with something to own the libs.

travelingthrulife

(2,333 posts)
9. Who do we have no right to protect ourselves from gun violence in this country?
Sat May 17, 2025, 09:57 AM
Saturday

Why would any leader allow this stupid device?

Turbineguy

(39,034 posts)
10. Not enough children are getting shot in this country!
Sat May 17, 2025, 10:03 AM
Saturday

Or grownups for that matter. Trump will fix it.

Marthe48

(20,655 posts)
12. Democratic presidents are shepherds
Sat May 17, 2025, 10:46 AM
Saturday

protecting the flock. rwnj presidents are wolves, ravening the flock.

BidenRocks

(1,508 posts)
14. Get one now!
Sat May 17, 2025, 11:18 AM
Saturday

Why wait for Christmas when we have a military parade full of suckers and losers!
Buy yours today and you'll be knocking 'em dead in no time.

Comes in junior sizes with Unicorns and rainbows.

Evolve Dammit

(20,647 posts)
16. Like the "great Al Capone" Drumpf rambles about. He wants a violent, lawless country. Take it to the bank. nt
Sat May 17, 2025, 02:26 PM
Saturday

Botany

(74,202 posts)
19. As long as those violent thugs are pro Trump Krasnov is fine with them.
Sat May 17, 2025, 03:04 PM
Saturday

Krasnov already has his head busters. 150,000 former police officers who were fired
for abuse, corruption, sex charges, and other fun stuff had their federal records expunged
and he got his J-6th and associates out of prison…. > 1,500 people.

Trump is rubbing our noses in his contempt for EVERY AMERICAN that will not bow down
to with his North Korean
Style parade. He is mobbed up big time with Vlad, Elon, those crypto criminals, and the
billionaires and associates shits.

Hell, the mother fucker is burning America to the ground for Vlad and company and
having headbusters helps.

Evolve Dammit

(20,647 posts)
24. We are in for the fight. Fascism will be defeated again. They brought it, not us. Like Russia, Hungary... n/t
Sat May 17, 2025, 06:59 PM
Saturday

Karasu

(1,189 posts)
18. This is totally the action of a sane country where sane people would actually want to live.
Sat May 17, 2025, 02:51 PM
Saturday

LudwigPastorius

(12,476 posts)
20. An FRT trigger in action:
Sat May 17, 2025, 03:16 PM
Saturday


The mechanism for FRT may be different than a fully automatic, but that is just semantics, because the result is the same.

A mass shooter using one of these will get results similar to the Las Vegas killer.

LudwigPastorius

(12,476 posts)
22. Gun nuts are praising the device as easier to operate, and more consistent, than a bump stock.
Sat May 17, 2025, 03:39 PM
Saturday

Some claim results of 1,200 rounds per minute. That means you could empty a 60 round drum magazine in 3 seconds.

That's faster than a full auto M16 combat rifle, which does 900 rpm.

purr-rat beauty

(719 posts)
23. The first school mass shooting...
Sat May 17, 2025, 04:28 PM
Saturday

.....with handguns using these devices best be put on trump.

3825-87867

(1,400 posts)
25. This Department of Justice believes that the 2nd Amendment is not a second-class right
Sat May 17, 2025, 07:18 PM
Saturday

However, we will jail ANYONE who disses the President, makes fun of him or paints him in a bad light!
When you're number 2, you have to try harder to outdo number 1.

underpants

(190,742 posts)
26. It's a simple bit of plastic and a spring but it amazes me..,
Sat May 17, 2025, 07:45 PM
Saturday

how people with an inventive mindset go in this direction.

BidenRocks

(1,508 posts)
27. I can see a small group of hunters where this may help.
Sat May 17, 2025, 08:20 PM
Saturday

I've been watching vids on the Wild Boar infestation from Texas, to the east.
Open season, year round. That's the exception to using a machine gun to hunt. Even then, you miss a lot.
For anyone else?
HELL NO!!!

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