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riversedge

(75,598 posts)
Wed May 14, 2025, 08:26 PM May 14

Arrested judge turns tables on Trump with bold claim citing president's case

Source: raw story




Matthew Chapman May 14, 2025 7:12PM ET


Wisconsin Judge Hannah Dugan is moving to have the federal charges against her thrown out — and she's citing the very ruling that gave President Donald Trump a presumption of immunity,

According to NBC News, lawyers representing Dugan wrote in response that the whole case was invalid due in part to Trump's win at the Supreme Court last year as he sought to undermine federal charges against him for interfering in the 2020 election.


"“The problems with this prosecution are legion, but most immediately, the government cannot prosecute Judge Dugan because she is entitled to judicial immunity for her official acts,” wrote her legal team “Immunity is not a defense to the prosecution to be determined later by a jury or court; it is an absolute bar to the prosecution at the outset.” The lawyers explicitly cited the decision by the Supreme Court in Trump v. United States, which held that a president has a presumption of immunity for official acts.

The attorneys focused on the Supreme Court's holding that “In dividing official from unofficial conduct, courts may not inquire into the President’s motives.” Because Dugan's instructions within her courtroom constituted official conduct, they concluded, “Judge Dugan therefore has both immunity from conviction and immunity from prosecution.”

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Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/hannah-dugan-2672020436/



Judge Dugan has not herself spoken out about any thing that has happened to her in this case--as far as I know and I have been trying to follow this story.




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Arrested judge turns tables on Trump with bold claim citing president's case (Original Post) riversedge May 14 OP
excellent creon May 14 #1
I am waiting to hear Trump chime in--he has his nose in so much and this is bound to set him off. riversedge May 14 #2
Well done. Mike Niendorff May 14 #3
Isn't this the judge that let the person go out a side door,... magicarpet May 14 #4
Here's what I heard on MSNBC (not sure which show, most likely Rachel)... ShazzieB May 14 #11
Thank you for the clarification...... magicarpet May 14 #13
My pleasure! ShazzieB May 14 #15
Yes that is my understanding of what transpired as well. benfranklin1776 May 14 #19
Points for sPam Blondie NBachers May 14 #20
Thanks. benfranklin1776 May 15 #21
Oh snap! sheshe2 May 14 #5
Reparte' of the finest. cachukis May 14 #6
ding. AllaN01Bear May 14 #7
Glad to see Alice Kramden May 14 #8
Might as well try it madville May 14 #9
Judges D00ver66 May 14 #10
Precedent mobeau69 May 14 #12
Sounds like the proper tactic for all defense attorneys swong19104 May 14 #14
In yo' face turkey!!! oasis May 14 #16
It's their "Burisma" strategy. "Just announce a charge." Marcuse May 14 #17
I like it. Fingers crossed. n/t iluvtennis May 14 #18
Hope it helps her case, but... returnee May 15 #22
....and here we go down that slippery slope... intrepidity May 15 #23
When the Supreme Court made this decision, NH Ethylene May 15 #24

riversedge

(75,598 posts)
2. I am waiting to hear Trump chime in--he has his nose in so much and this is bound to set him off.
Wed May 14, 2025, 08:40 PM
May 14

Mike Niendorff

(3,598 posts)
3. Well done.
Wed May 14, 2025, 08:48 PM
May 14

Use their own weapons against them -- and, if that fails, use their own weapons' failures to blunt them for future cases.


MDN

magicarpet

(18,265 posts)
4. Isn't this the judge that let the person go out a side door,...
Wed May 14, 2025, 08:50 PM
May 14

.... to avoid the crowded court corridors. This hallway she sent him to - led right out the door directly to the sidewalk. Thus avoiding the crowded court hallways.

How many judges allowed trDUMP and his team of lawyers to use a judges hallway to exit the courthouse directly to the sidewalk. So that they could avoid the media crowd in the hallways ?

Good for the goose - but impermissible for the gander ?

What makes trDUMP something so special ?

ShazzieB

(20,694 posts)
11. Here's what I heard on MSNBC (not sure which show, most likely Rachel)...
Wed May 14, 2025, 09:58 PM
May 14

The door she let him out of did not open to the sidewalk. It opened onto the same hallway that the main door did, just at a different point in the hall. She was evidently trying to avoid a scrum blocking the busiest part of the hallway when those goons arrested him. At least that's my understanding.p

As for there being a completely different standard for Schlump and his legal team, that is very true.

benfranklin1776

(6,853 posts)
19. Yes that is my understanding of what transpired as well.
Wed May 14, 2025, 10:36 PM
May 14

Of course handmaiden sPam Blondie lied and made it sound like she put him into a disguise, hustled him into a limousine in an underground basement and gave him a whole new identity
It’s nothing but a sham, show prosecution at its core so this is a brilliant counter narrative to put the focus back on the abusers of power that perpetrated it 🤜🏼🤛🏼

benfranklin1776

(6,853 posts)
21. Thanks.
Thu May 15, 2025, 06:05 AM
May 15

I thought it appropriate as she’s garbage utterly, without any redeeming value . 😡

madville

(7,707 posts)
9. Might as well try it
Wed May 14, 2025, 09:11 PM
May 14

Doubtful it will work or apply in this case but why not try. Also gotta see if she gets a Democratic or Republican nominated federal judge, that will steer the case as well.

D00ver66

(8 posts)
10. Judges
Wed May 14, 2025, 09:24 PM
May 14

Judges will throw this case out. There’s no way this goes to trial. The president it would set would put all judges in crosshairs whether Republican or democratic administrations want to follow this. It’s a clown show just to prove they will do it. A scare tactic hopefully the judiciary has now learned its lesson and as a co equal branch nip this in the bud.

swong19104

(426 posts)
14. Sounds like the proper tactic for all defense attorneys
Wed May 14, 2025, 10:08 PM
May 14

going forward is to just cite some BS claim by Trump’s attorneys when he wasn’t president (between 2021 to 2025). “My client is a presumptive president/senator/supreme court justice, and so his actions must be considered in light of this presumption and any conviction and subsequent punishment would negatively impact his ability to execute his role in office.”

returnee

(543 posts)
22. Hope it helps her case, but...
Thu May 15, 2025, 11:56 AM
May 15

…it seems like a stretch. Are they testing the application of TSF’s scotus case to others in their official duties?

intrepidity

(8,280 posts)
23. ....and here we go down that slippery slope...
Thu May 15, 2025, 02:20 PM
May 15

Soon, there will be *no* accountability at all for anyone in an "official* capacity. Once again, everything that monster touches turns to shit.

NH Ethylene

(31,129 posts)
24. When the Supreme Court made this decision,
Thu May 15, 2025, 03:13 PM
May 15

There was much hoopla (and rightfully so) over it permitting presidents to ignore any law.

But I did not recall reading about it extending to others, such as the judicial branch. Was this actually a stay-out-of-jail card for anybody working in or for the government?

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