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mahatmakanejeeves

(64,710 posts)
Wed May 14, 2025, 02:27 PM May 14

BREAKING: DC Circuit holds that DOGE must turn over records to CREW.

Source: Chris Geidner

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BREAKING: DC Circuit holds that DOGE must turn over records to CREW.

The court rejected DOJ's request for an order stopping a district court's order that DOGE turn over records under FOIA. (Panel: Henderson (GHWB), Wilkins (Obama), Childs (Biden).) storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.us...

United States Court of Appeals
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT
September Term, 2024
1:25-Cv-00511-CRC
Filed On: May 14, 2025
In re: U.S. DOGE Service, et al.,
Petitioners
BEFORE: Henderson, Wilkins, and Childs, Circuit Judges
ORDER
Upon consideration of the petition for a writ of mandamus, the opposition thereto, and the reply; and the motion for stay, the opposition thereto, and the reply, it is
ORDERED, on the court's own motion, that the administrative stay entered on
April 18, 2025, be dissolved. For the reasons stated in the memorandum accompanying this order, it is
FURTHER ORDERED that the petition be denied. It is
FURTHER ORDERED that the stay motion be dismissed as moot.
Pursuant to D.C. Circuit Rule 36, this disposition will not be published.
Per Curiam
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On the merits, the government has also not shown that it has no other adequate means of relief. The government rests most of its argument on Cheney's holding that line-by-line assertions of executive privilege were not an adequate alternative means of relief in that case. But Cheney is distinguishable in numerous respects. Even in the circumstances of Cheney, the Supreme Court declined to issue a writ because it was "not a case where, after having considered the issues, [this court] abused its discretion by failing to" do so. 542 U.S. at 391. More importantly, unlike in Cheney, where the Vice President himself was subject to a wide-ranging third-party subpoena and the asserted intrusion implicated the mental processes of the President's advisers, see id. at 381-82, the discovery here is modest in scope and does not target the President or any close adviser personally. The government retains every conventional tool to raise privilege objections on the limited question-by-question basis foreseen here on a narrow and discrete ground. Although the government protests that any such assertion of privilege would be burdensome, the only identified burdens are limited both by time and reach, covering as they do records within USDS's control generated since January 20. It does not provide any specific details as to why accessing its own records or submitting to two depositions would pose an unbearable burden. That is a far cry from the sweeping discovery at issue in Cheney. See id. at 387 {describing the discovery requests as asking "for everything under the sky"}. Moreover, unlike Cheney, the information sought here
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does not provide CREW "all the disclosure to which [it] would be entitled" if it prevails on the merits. Id. at 388.
Nor has the government asserted a clear and indisputable right. Petitioner can carry that burden if the challenged order constitutes a "clear abuse of discretion." Id. at 380 (quoting Bankers Life & Cas. Co. v. Holland, 346 U.S. 379, 383 (1953)). Petitioner must "point to 'cases in which a federal court has held that' relief is warranted 'in a matter involving like issues and comparable circumstances.'" In re Al Baluchi, 952 F.3d 363, 369 (D.C. Cir. 2020) (quoting Doe v. Exxon Mobil Corp., 473 F.3d 345, 355 (D.C. Cir. 2007)). "Accordingly, we will deny mandamus even if a petitioner's argument, though "pack[ing] substantial force,' is not clearly mandated by statutory authority or case law." Id. (quoting In re Khadr, 823 F.3d 92, 99-100 (D.C. Cir. 2016)). Open legal questions do not present a clear and indisputable right to mandamus relief. See In re Al-Nashiri, 791 F.3d 71, 85-86 (D.C. Cir. 2015). We have previously endorsed limited discovery to determine agency status under FOIA. See Armstrong, 90 F.3d at 560-61; CREW, 566 F.3d at 224-
26. And that limited discovery can be used to follow up on factual questions put at issue by the government's declarations. See In re Cheney, 544 F.3d 311, 312 (D.C. Cir. 2008) (under the Presidential Records Act). Even the government concedes, as it must, that such discovery is sometimes appropriate. Pet. 22-23.
In light of the government's failure to make a persuasive showing on either of the first two elements of the analysis, there is also no reason, in considering the totality of the circumstances, to issue the writ. See Cheney, 542 U.S. at 381.
Accordingly, the petition for a writ of mandamus is denied.
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BREAKING: DC Circuit holds that DOGE must turn over records to CREW.

The court rejected DOJ's request for an order stopping a district court's order that DOGE turn over records under FOIA. (Panel: Henderson (GHWB), Wilkins (Obama), Childs (Biden).) storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.us...

Chris Geidner (@chrisgeidner.bsky.social) 2025-05-14T18:10:56.953Z




https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cadc.41966/gov.uscourts.cadc.41966.01208739194.0.pdf
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BREAKING: DC Circuit holds that DOGE must turn over records to CREW. (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves May 14 OP
Will they do it?................. Lovie777 May 14 #1
That is the question BoRaGard May 14 #6
Defying court orders is first and foremost in their playbook SheltieLover May 14 #10
They are ignoring DENVERPOPS May 14 #22
Roberts is spineless. SheltieLover May 14 #23
Not only that DENVERPOPS May 14 #24
But they can deputize marshalls to enforce orders SheltieLover May 14 #25
I can only imagine DENVERPOPS May 14 #26
No doubt, but the court can deputize anyone they want, as far as I understand the process. SheltieLover May 14 #27
Am I the only one who has no idea what CREW means? FakeNoose May 14 #2
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) NT mahatmakanejeeves May 14 #3
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (D.C.) HariSeldon May 14 #4
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington EarthFirst May 14 #5
Nope. Thanks for asking the question. Biophilic May 14 #7
You were not the only one, and I'm glad you asked. ShazzieB May 14 #17
No you weren't! N/t Hope22 May 14 #19
Statement from CREW on Blue: littlemissmartypants May 14 #8
Thx, Pants! SheltieLover May 14 #11
My pleasure, SL! ❤️ littlemissmartypants May 14 #12
Additional information: mahatmakanejeeves May 14 #9
Unfortunately, there is no agency which I can think of willing to enforce any kind of judgments or other court railings. Magoo48 May 14 #13
Yep. To rail, markodochartaigh May 14 #14
Big Balls ain't so big now. rubbersole May 14 #15
Why do I feel like even if they do have records... dchill May 14 #16
Good ruling. ShazzieB May 14 #18
It will be appealed. To comply with the law is the LAST thing doge will do. Fil1957 May 14 #20
Betting they did not keep "records". Evolve Dammit May 14 #21

BoRaGard

(5,488 posts)
6. That is the question
Wed May 14, 2025, 02:43 PM
May 14

Is there a deadline? Didn't note it. In any event, I suspect they will defy the court with some standard GOP bullshit lies,
for their specialty is BEARING FALSE WITNESS.

Tell tale signs,,,

DENVERPOPS

(12,253 posts)
22. They are ignoring
Wed May 14, 2025, 05:26 PM
May 14

a Supreme Court UNANIMOUS decision and order already.......

THE ABSOLUTE EPITOME OF A F U TO THE SUPREME COURT AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THE JUDICIARY......

DENVERPOPS

(12,253 posts)
24. Not only that
Wed May 14, 2025, 05:49 PM
May 14

but the Supreme Court doesn't have an enforcement arm to punish anyone ignoring their orders......
They Rely on the DOJ, FBI, etc and we know who owns all of those agencies.....

SheltieLover

(68,266 posts)
25. But they can deputize marshalls to enforce orders
Wed May 14, 2025, 05:52 PM
May 14

I'm not a lawyer, but someone else posted about this.

They CAN, thry are just choosing not to.

littlemissmartypants

(27,737 posts)
8. Statement from CREW on Blue:
Wed May 14, 2025, 03:05 PM
May 14

NEW: We defeated the government's effort to toss out the discovery order in our transparency lawsuit against DOGE.

The DC Circuit Court ruled unanimously—with judges appointed by both Democrats and Republicans—that DOGE must submit to discovery.

NEW: We defeated the government's effort to toss out the discovery order in our transparency lawsuit against DOGE.

The DC Circuit Court ruled unanimously—with judges appointed by both Democrats and Republicans—that DOGE must submit to discovery.

CREW (@citizensforethics.org) 2025-05-14T18:39:54.369Z

mahatmakanejeeves

(64,710 posts)
9. Additional information:
Wed May 14, 2025, 03:18 PM
May 14
Lawsuits involving the Department of Government Efficiency

{snip}

Public records and record-keeping requirements
On February 11, watchdog organization American Oversight [Wikidata] filed a lawsuit to gain access to all of Musk's communications involving the termination of employees across the federal government. Its lawsuit states that DOGE is subject to the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).

On February 19, the nonpartisan watchdog group Project on Government Oversight sued Trump, DOGE, and the DOGE administrator over the claim that DOGE records are subject to the Presidential Records Act, and therefore not subject to public records requests. The lawsuit argues that DOGE is subject to the Federal Records Act since it is acting like a federal agency.

On February 20, watchdog organization Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington sued DOGE to produce documents via the Freedom of Information Act.[107] On March 10, the presiding judge, Christopher R. Cooper, ordered DOGE to produce the documents for CREW, finding that DOGE's "secrecy" and "rapid pace" warranted "quick release of information about its structure and activities".[108][109] While making his ruling, Cooper concluded that "the authority exercised by [DOGE] across the federal government and the dramatic cuts it has apparently made with no congressional input appear to be unprecedented".[108][110] Cooper found that DOGE "obtained unprecedented access to sensitive personal and classified data and payment systems across federal agencies" and "appears to have the power not just to evaluate federal programs, but to drastically reshape and even eliminate them wholesale".[107][110]

American Oversight v. U.S. Department of Government Efficiency (D.D.C.), 1:25-cv-00409[111]
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington v. U.S. DOGE Service (D.D.C.), 1:25-cv-00511[112]
Democracy Forward Foundation v. U.S. Department of the Treasury (D.D.C.), 1:25-cv-00684[113]
Democracy Forward Foundation v. U.S. Marshals Service (D.D.C.), 1:25-cv-00749[114]
Project on Government Oversight, Inc. v. Trump (D.D.C.), 1:25-cv-00527[115]

{snip}

[112] "Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington v. U.S. DOGE Service, 1:25-cv-00511". CourtListener. Retrieved April 4, 2025.

{snip}

Magoo48

(6,315 posts)
13. Unfortunately, there is no agency which I can think of willing to enforce any kind of judgments or other court railings.
Wed May 14, 2025, 04:05 PM
May 14

markodochartaigh

(2,900 posts)
14. Yep. To rail,
Wed May 14, 2025, 04:25 PM
May 14

verb
gerund or present participle: railing
complain or protest strongly and persistently about.
"he railed at human fickleness"

ShazzieB

(20,694 posts)
18. Good ruling.
Wed May 14, 2025, 04:50 PM
May 14

Getting the administration to comply is another matter, of course. But it's important to have rulings like this on the record regardless, and I cheer every time I see another one.

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