Israeli strikes on Gaza kill 13 people, mostly women and children
Source: AP
By WAFAA SHURAFA and SAMY MAGDY
Updated 8:19 AM CDT, May 11, 2025
DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Israeli strikes overnight and into Sunday killed 13 people in the Gaza Strip, mostly women and children, according to local health officials.
Two of the strikes hit tents in the southern city of Khan Younis, each killing two children and their parents, according to Nasser Hospital, which received the bodies. Another five people were killed in strikes elsewhere, according to hospitals.
The Israeli military says it only targets militants and tries to avoid harming civilians. It blames Hamas for civilian deaths in the 19-month-old war because the militants are embedded in densely populated areas. There was no immediate Israeli comment on the latest strikes.
Israel has sealed Gaza off from all imports, including food, medicine and emergency shelter, for over 10 weeks in what it says is a pressure tactic aimed at forcing Hamas to release hostages. Israel resumed its offensive in March, shattering a ceasefire that had facilitated the release of more than 30 hostages.
Read more: https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-ceasefire-hostages-05-11-2025-6a562aa1c6ce81bcc9ff4649e39ab937
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Bayard
(25,302 posts)As long as the president of the U.S. is rooting for crimes against humanity, to enable building luxury hotels. Its all about the cruelty, AND greed.
brush
(60,063 posts)
Cheezoholic
(2,989 posts)They have now formally announced their goal is to wipe Gaza out and force 2 million people "go elsewhere". This is Israel's trail of tears moment. Human barbarism, while not just here, is alive and well and spreading.
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)"Pariah nation" doesn't mean what you think it means, and this is not news to you:
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=143394
But apparently you needed another reminder.
Also, there are terms other than the generic "Pariah nation" and "Warmonger Netanyahu" which would make criticism of Israel more nuanced and more accurate, not to mention more persuasive. No need to place such severe limits on your criticism.
Eko
(9,282 posts)Are we a well loved country now or are we a Pariah nation?
You do realize that we ranked higher than Israel on all of those right, so are we well loved across the world or are we a pariah nation now?
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)Can water be anything other than freezing or boiling?
Unless your answer to this question is no, my argument stands on its merits.
Did you notice that the comparisons I cited are not between Israel and the US, but between 60 to 120 countries of the world? No? Look at my sources again. Do you notice something about those standings? No?
Ok, a hint: it's a scale. To make it easier for you, it is a scale that determines each country's standing between "loved" and "pariah", the two extremes, relative to each other, with no particular emphasis on either Israel or the US. The emphasis is on the data.
Let me see if you can answer your question now: is Israel loved or a pariah? Is the loved or a pariah? You got it, neither.
And the data show that Israel is consistently above average. Not loved. Not hated. Better than most, and worse than some.
Do you now see now how your questions are totally fallacious and my argument is rock solid?
Eko
(9,282 posts)No it doesn't.
The GDP of a country tells you what other countries and people think about you?
Shoot that makes China the second most loved country. https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/
Your argument is humorous.
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)and I don't think this number figures into GDP. Ok, GDP measures economic prosperity of the nation, which in Israel's case doesn't jive with its alleged "pariah" status.
Nor is the "pariah state" synonymous with "less popular" - it stands for an outcast state, which, given the rest of the available statistics you neglected to pay attention to, is a patently ridiculous categorization.
Of all the cited rankings, why did you bring up GDP?
Yawn, yet another fallacious argument. Don't expect me to continue with this nonsense. I am getting very, very sleepy. Good night.
Eko
(9,282 posts)In international rankings, Israel ranks
-in the top 15% on the economy
I didn't bring it up, you did. As the very first reason why Israel is not a pariah state.
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)It happened to be the first item on the long list included in my source. I didn't choose which item goes to the top of the list.
But at least you saw it as the very first reason why Israel is not a pariah state. There are many more...
... Did you by any chance stop paying attention before you got to my second "choice"?
Zzzzzz...
Eko
(9,282 posts)Beastly Boy (12,171 posts)
5. I keep hearing "a pariah nation" over and over again. Can you explain?
Reply to brush (Reply #2)
Mon May 5, 2025, 06:45 PM
In international rankings, Israel ranks
-in the top 15% on the economy
-in the top 10% on free speech
-in the top 20% on globalization
-in the top 35% on human development and society
-in the top 35% on politics
-in the top 25% on technology
-and in the top 55% on tourism.
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)Straight from my source, in the order that is consistent with my source.
And your point is... what?
"This was not my first reason, literally or otherwise. It wasn't even a reason. And I didn't bring it up. I linked to it."
Now its
"I did, didn't I?"
You are just making things up now aren't you? Your argument changes to whatever you think will win right?
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)This was not my first reason, literally or otherwise. It wasn't even a reason. And I didn't bring it up.
All of the above were accurate, and they still are. You can find full confirmation of what I posted in my source. Can you now guess why I linked to it?
Eko
(9,282 posts)There is your link to make it easier to show.
Waiting.
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)"International Monetary Fund: GDP (nominal) 2022, ranked 28th out of 216
and
"International Monetary Fund: GDP (nominal) per capita 2022, ranked 14th out of 192 countries"
28 countries make up the top 13% of 216 countries
and
14 countries make up the top 7.3% of 192 countries
My apologies to Israel for undercutting their standing by a few percentage points.
Aren't you glad you made me correct myself?
Eko
(9,282 posts)Reply to Eko (Reply #24)
Sun May 11, 2025, 10:56 PM
This was not my first reason, literally or otherwise. It wasn't even a reason. And I didn't bring it up.
and lastly
Reply to Beastly Boy (Reply #28)
Sun May 11, 2025, 11:22 PM
"International Monetary Fund: GDP (nominal) 2022, ranked 28th out of 216
and
"International Monetary Fund: GDP (nominal) per capita 2022, ranked 14th out of 192 countries"
Eko
(9,282 posts)https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/04/08/how-americans-view-israel-and-the-israel-hamas-war-at-the-start-of-trumps-second-term/
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr4n90g6v9qo
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)None of your sources come even close to suggesting the "pariah state" status of Israel. So unless you are trying hard to prove my point, I have no idea why you are even bothering.
Your use of rankings from as far back as, checks, 2016 on things that show things like GDP, a Innovation Index, a Economic Complexity Index, a Index of Economic Freedom, Global Competitiveness Index, Global Dynamism Index, Human Capital Report, Inclusive Development Index-from 2018, Ease of doing business index, and lastly but surely not least a Logistics Performance Index-from 2016 surely, surely show how Israel is viewed by the world no instead of actual polls for our country that shows that a "majority of Americans (53%) now express a somewhat or very unfavorable opinion of Israel." Its the Logistics Performance Index from 2016 that does it for ya isn't it? Thats the one that proves in your mind that you are right and I am wrong isn't it? Cause I mean shit, if you didn't do well with logistics performance in 2016 then you could well be a pariah state in 2025.
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)I dare ya.
Eko
(9,282 posts)Please.
Do your own work if you can.
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)(my own work). Your turn now.
Eko
(9,282 posts)Eko
(9,282 posts)Eko
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PufPuf23
(9,411 posts)Similar to the USA, the Israeli government has failed its own citizens and perpetuated horror.
That would be more helpful than sticking to talking points defending atrocity.
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)More nuanced, accurate and persuasive than falling back on "pariah state" and "warmonger Netanyahu" at every opportunity.
But that's not saying much. There are many other ways, far more nuanced, accurate and persuasive than yours. Too many to mention them all.
brush
(60,063 posts)to see clearly and accept reality. It's ethnic cleasning...a second Nakba so Netanyahu and the IDF can take over all of Gaza and keep taking Palestinian land in the West Ban
It's painfully obvious. Israel deserves better leadership.
Despite all you talking points, you must be very ashamed.
Read post 3.
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)And why would I be ashamed of winning?
Just to be sure, I would like a second opinion. Something that doesn't include anyone's talking points or references to mine.
brush
(60,063 posts)Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)A limited vocabulary of memetic phrases, repeated frequently without giving them a second thought, to reinforce conformity with negative stereotyping and avoid any critical examination of the phrases .
We are no longer talking about the applicability of the term Nakba to Gaza, or how Israel's government became so bad.
We are reducing complex issues to dogmatic and overly simplistic expressions of partiality. We are then expected to take them for granted or else we should be ashamed of ourselves, a stance that eliminates any possibility of a serious discussion.
brush
(60,063 posts)Talk around it with talking points all you want, but it's ethnic cleansing or a new Nakba or whatever you wanna call it. It's happening.
And pls note, I'm specifically blaming the Netanyahu gov. so as not to infer that the entire country of Israel is complicit as I don't believe that all of the population of the country agrees with the continued killings, violation of the ceasefire and the complete abandonment of negotiations for a two-state solution.
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)the Netanyahu government, and not even the entire country of Israel which is comprised of many nationalities. Your intentions are beyond question.
Words matter, and you can't un-say them, especially considering how many times you gratuitously deployed this label. The plausible deniability of what you stated is long gone.
And your intention to use the same memes over and over again no matter what I want to call them could not have been stated any more clearly than you just did.
You are making my case for me.
brush
(60,063 posts)then we can do away with the 'P' word?
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)How much do you know about Israel's democratic electoral system? How much do you know about the enormous diversity of what you are generically referring to as Israel as if ir were some sort of an authoritarian monolith that has the power to just kick anyone's ass at will?
And what does this simplistic proposal have to do with routinely deploying the same limited collection of dogmatic and overly simplistic expressions of partiality over and over again, except to reinforce the notion?
We could have done away with the "P" word long ago, by simply not repeating this ridiculous on its face meme at every opportunity.
brush
(60,063 posts)At least let us know you reject the continued killing.
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)Having said this, I refuse to accept the pervasive trend of exclusively blaming Israel for it. It started with Hamas, it is caused by Hamas, and it is being amplified by Hamas. I cannot have a serious conversation on the topic with anyone who keeps their eyes closed to the primary and pivotal role the Gazan government in causing these killings. Keeping it out of the conversation is no different from lying about them.
And of course I will push back on this blatant bias, every single time. And if anyone wants to engage in the "genocide" BS, I want to hear from them how the Gazan government is responsible for it. If this doesn't happen, it disqualifies any such conversations from the claims of genuinely expressing concern about the dying civilians and starving children. Such conversations are openly resistant to addressing the cause of their outrage. And without understanding the cause, there will never be understanding of what can end the killings.
Hamas is the cause, the killings are the effect. This is as clear as day, and hiding from this reality is the shameful part of the discourse.
brush
(60,063 posts)renewed strikes and killing though, which you acknowledge. It sure seems to be the intent of the Netanyahu government to do ethnic cleansing. There's nothing complicated about riding Gaza of all Palestinians...and once that happens it's simplistic to think that will be the end of it. We could be looking at anothr 75 years of violence if a ceasefire and two-state negotiations don't resume. Some Gazans are even starting to protest against Hamas.
Israel deserves better leadership.
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)And yet, mentions of their guilt are exceptionally few and far between, and are made predominantly in the context of criticizing Israel. Something like "Hamas is a monster, but..." That's the extent of it.
And there is absolutely no mention of their role in purposely and deliberately exposing Gazan civilians to the dangers of the war they are waging against Israel - the principal cause for civilian casualties in Gaza. Were the Hamas militant to conduct warfare away from schools, hospitals and refugee camps, as they are mandated to do by international law, they could have spared tens of thousands of civilians in their care. But that would have been the exact opposite of their intent to "martyr" as many Gazans as possible, which they were never shy to express openly.
So let me give you an example of how talk of Hamas' guilt is being avoided: your post above.
Let's begin with "Everyone knows Hamas started it". Not only does this avoid the description of the "it" that Hamas started, this statement stops at what Hamas started and addresses none of the extent of what they are doing now and will be doing in the future to prevent the ending of the killings.
That's where your criticism of Hamas ends. From there, the post immediately does a 180 turn and deflects from Hamas to "abandonment of two-state negotiations, breaking of the ceasefire and... renewed strikes and killing though, which you acknowledge", a transparent swipe at Israel. Moreover, you took it for granted that this is what I acknowledge, whereas I acknowledged something entirely different, something way beyond this one-sided interpretation.
More than that, you are proposing that what I presumably acknowledge "sure seems to be the intent of the Netanyahu government to do ethnic cleansing." And from there, you venture from what is not about to happen the absurd speculations into what happens after the make-believe non-event happens. I know the definition of ethnic cleansing, and since I do, I would never suggest to you that ethnic cleansing is Netanyahu's intention. If you were to look into this definition beyond the shallow appropriation of the term as an insult, I am confident that this will no longer seem to you, notwithstanding your current presumptions of anyone's intent to rid Gaza of all Palestinians, let alone being capable of achieving anything of the sort.
"Israel deserves better leadership." Did it occur to you that Gaza deserves a better leadership too? Why not a word about that?
Israel deserves more than a better leadership. Israel deserves secure borders. Israel deserves more than being belittled by slanderous echo chamber of baseless accusations indiscriminately thrown at it. Israel deserves international support to elect a better leadership. Indiscriminately calling Israel a "pariah nation", throwing at every opportunity will not get you there. This will only get resentment from the Israelis who will only become disgusted by being made a scapegoat for everything wrong happening in the Middle East and by the entities that embody their disgust .
brush
(60,063 posts)talk about how to get negotiations going again...ending the damn war.
Again, Israel deserves better leadership intead of Netanyahu, the PM whose flights can't enter the airspace of many countries because there's an active ICC arrest warrant for him for war crimes.
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)"Pls, everyone knows Hamas started it". This is not acknowledging Hamas atrocities. This is avoiding to even mention what Hamas atrocities consist of. And avoiding the acknowledgement of Hamas atrocities beyond the cryptic "start". And avoiding any further mention of Hamas atrocities. And belittling Hamas atrocities while alleging Israel's atrocities, which you have no problem listing chapter and verse, over and over.
brush
(60,063 posts)acknowledging their atrocities. And you shouldn't talk about atrocities with uncounted bodies still buried under the rubble in Gaza. And that's on top of the 50,000 dead above ground and still counting more everyday from Netanyahu's bomb strikes.
Please, you don't want to go there against how many hundreds dead Israeli? It's call extreme over retaliation and the ICC calls it war crimes.
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)And I am not talking about atrocities I have no information on, or laying the responsibility for them on any single party to the exclusion of all others.
And I am not reducing the blame game to bean counting. But if you think the retaliation was extreme, tell me what you know about over 10,000 missiles fired at Israel's civilian centers in the first two months of the war alone.
brush
(60,063 posts)Leave it alone BB, you're too close to the subject matter as it seems you're unable to empathize with the horrendous body count approaching 60,000 in Gaza, and counting. And that doesn't include the bodies still buried in the rubble from IDF bomb strikes.
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)I acknowledged the atrocities. What you want me to do is leave Hamas out of that acknowledgement.
It ain't happening.
brush
(60,063 posts)Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)Or accused Gazans of genocide. Or ethnic cleansing. What is keeping you from doing so?
Yes, I know, these are completely arbitrary accusations, but you are using them exclusively towards Israel, and that's the point.
I will only believe the sincerity of the above post after you start using "Gaza is a pariah nation" as consistently as you use "Israel is a pariah nation".
Beastly Boy
(12,502 posts)According to the Hamas and local authorities.
Not a single one was reported by them, or the media that parrots them, in the one and a half years of fighting. Not a single eyewitness account. Like no one is waging war on Israel at all.
It is a miracle.
It's as if Hamas has no fighters and no weapons, and Israel is making shit up about the hostages and the missiles and RPGs being fired at their soldiers from schools and hospitals and refugee safe zones.
AZLD4Candidate
(6,646 posts)We all know local Hamas elected officials NEVER lie about anything. Or use people as human shields than claim Israel is killing them.
Mosby
(18,564 posts)claudette
(5,350 posts)us for financing this. Shame on Israel for this