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BumRushDaShow

(153,173 posts)
Fri May 9, 2025, 05:33 PM May 9

FDA approves, expands 3 natural color additives after RFK Jr.'s plan to remove artificial food dyes

Source: ABC News

May 9, 2025, 12:46 PM


The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved on Friday additional color additives from natural sources in line with the Department of Health and Human Services' goal to eliminate artificial food dyes.

The agency approved two dyes and expanded approval of a third, meaning it can now be used in a wider range of food products.

"Today we take a major step to Make America Healthy Again," HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said in a statement. "For too long, our food system has relied on synthetic, petroleum-based dyes that offer no nutritional value and pose unnecessary health risks. We're removing these dyes and approving safe, natural alternatives -- to protect families and support healthier choices."

The approved additives include Galdieria extract blue, which is derived from algae; butterfly pea flower extract from the butterfly pea flower; and calcium phosphate, a natural compound containing calcium and phosphorus.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/fda-approves-expands-3-natural-color-additives-after/story?id=121641300



Link to FDA NEWS RELEASE - FDA Approves Three Food Colors from Natural Sources


The Calcium Phosphate (which is white) has variants already used in cooking and is GRAS (Generally Recognized as Safe).

The "natural" blues are usually hard to come by because they tend to "run" but 2 of the 3 that have been approved are these blues -

Galdieria extract blue (a blue - diluted, it looks like FD&C Blue 2, which is a light blue)



Diluted -



Butterfly pea flower extract (also a blue - looks closer to FD&C Blue 1, which is a dark blue)



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FDA approves, expands 3 natural color additives after RFK Jr.'s plan to remove artificial food dyes (Original Post) BumRushDaShow May 9 OP
I was worried we'd be eating cochineal Historic NY May 9 #1
Is that the one that comes from beetles? AllyCat May 9 #3
yes Historic NY May 9 #4
That has generally already been approved as "Carmine" BumRushDaShow May 9 #6
You can get a nice red dye from beets womanofthehills May 10 #14
I don't dispute some of these colors and flavors are a problem, but.... AllyCat May 9 #2
I agree. He's right in a couple of things but those are vastly outweighed underpants May 9 #5
Every prescription drug that goes on the market has a placebo test womanofthehills May 10 #15
Wow! Tyson is doing this end of May womanofthehills May 11 #24
Have these ingredients undergone placebo, double blind studies? Irish_Dem May 9 #7
Different criteria BumRushDaShow May 9 #8
Some of those foods could be dangerous. Irish_Dem May 9 #9
A lot of the foods can be and are dangerous BumRushDaShow May 9 #11
I agree, there is no regulation for supplements. Irish_Dem May 9 #12
Probably the most dangerous chemicals on our foods are pesticides womanofthehills May 11 #25
Exactly. Irish_Dem May 11 #30
What is weird- first we were told by main stream news womanofthehills May 10 #16
Both statements are true. Irish_Dem May 10 #17
clinical trials.gov has all the trials of all the vaccines womanofthehills May 11 #27
But according to Dr Offit the placebo can have polysorbate 80 & aluminum womanofthehills May 11 #28
These would be considered inert compared to the treatment medication. Irish_Dem May 11 #29
I'm glad he is addressing food colors. NH Ethylene May 9 #10
He's probably wrong about this, too. yardwork May 10 #19
Red Dye #3 was already set to be taken off the market under the Biden administration. NH Ethylene May 11 #22
Exactly. Let's not pretend that the Republicans care about health. yardwork May 11 #23
He definitely is into using fewer pesticides womanofthehills May 11 #26
Our bones are made of calcium phosphate, so I'm guessing it's not harmful, except ... eppur_se_muova May 10 #13
"Our bones are made of calcium phosphate" BumRushDaShow May 10 #18
"There are four types of kidney stones: calcium oxalate, uric acid, struvite, and cystine." eppur_se_muova May 10 #20
"Struvite" is the one that contains phosphate BumRushDaShow May 10 #21
Meanwhile, sodium nitrite, growth hormones remain in the food chain bucolic_frolic May 11 #31

BumRushDaShow

(153,173 posts)
6. That has generally already been approved as "Carmine"
Fri May 9, 2025, 06:16 PM
May 9

(the extract). I had posted about it this past January - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3374101

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/cfrsearch.cfm?fr=73.100

[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 21, Volume 1]
[CITE: 21CFR73.100]



TITLE 21--FOOD AND DRUGS
CHAPTER I--FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
SUBCHAPTER A - GENERAL

PART 73 -- LISTING OF COLOR ADDITIVES EXEMPT FROM CERTIFICATION

Subpart A - Foods
Sec. 73.100 Cochineal extract; carmine.

(a) Identity. (1) The color additive cochineal extract is the concentrated solution obtained after removing the alcohol from an aqueous-alcoholic extract of cochineal (Dactylopius coccus costa (Coccus cacti L.)). The coloring principle is chiefly carminic acid.

(2) The color additive carmine is the aluminum or calcium-aluminum lake on an aluminum hydroxide substrate of the coloring principles, chiefly carminic acid, obtained by an aqueous extraction of cochineal (Dactylopius coccus costa (Coccus cacti L.)).

(3) Color additive mixtures for food use made with cochineal extract or carmine may contain only diluents that are suitable and that are listed in this subpart as safe in color additive mixtures for coloring foods.

(b) Specifications. (1) Cochineal extract shall conform to the following specifications:

pH, not less than 5.0 and not more than 5.5 at 25 deg.C.

Protein (N * 6.25), not more than 2.2 percent.

Total solids, not less than 5.7 and not more than 6.3 percent.

Methyl alcohol, not more than 150 parts per million.

Lead (as Pb), not more than 10 parts per million.

Arsenic (as As), not more than 1 part per million.

Carminic acid, not less than 1.8 percent.

(2) Carmine shall conform to the following specifications:

Volatile matter (at 135 deg.C. for 3 hours), not more than 20.0 percent.

Ash, not more than 12.0 percent.

Lead (as Pb), not more than 10 parts per million.

Arsenic (as As), not more than 1 part per million.

Carminic acid, not less than 50.0 percent.

Carmine and cochineal extract shall be pasteurized or otherwise treated to destroy all viable Salmonella microorganisms. Pasteurization or such other treatment is deemed to permit the adding of safe and suitable substances (other than chemical preservatives) that are essential to the method of pasteurization or other treatment used. For the purposes of this paragraph, safe and suitable substances are those substances that perform a useful function in the pasteurization or other treatment to render the carmine and cochineal extract free of viable Salmonella microorganisms, which substances are not food additives as defined in section 201(s) of the act or, if they are food additives as so defined, are used in conformity with regulations established pursuant to section 409 of the act.

(c) Uses and restrictions. Carmine and cochineal extract may be safely used for coloring foods generally in amounts consistent with good manufacturing practice, except that they may not be used to color foods for which standards of identity have been promulgated under section 401 of the act unless added color is authorized by such standards.

(d) Labeling requirements. (1) The label of the color additives and any mixtures intended solely or in part for coloring purposes prepared therefrom shall conform to the requirements of § 70.25 of this chapter.

(2) The label of food products intended for human use, including butter, cheese, and ice cream, that contain cochineal extract or carmine shall specifically declare the presence of the color additive by listing its respective common or usual name, "cochineal extract" or "carmine," in the statement of ingredients in accordance with § 101.4 of this chapter.

(e) Exemption from certification. Certification of these color additives is not necessary for the protection of the public health, and therefore batches thereof are exempt from the certification requirements of section 721(c) of the act.

[42 FR 15643, Mar. 22, 1977, as amended at 74 FR 216, Jan. 5, 2009]


Carmine is the "extract" of the crushed insect that is diluted for use as a dye/colorant. Direct use of the crushed cochineal insect as the dye or colorant, retains the labeled name as "cochineal".

womanofthehills

(9,796 posts)
14. You can get a nice red dye from beets
Sat May 10, 2025, 11:33 AM
May 10

If you buy natural food coloring for baking - red is from beets. Or you can make your own. I bake totally organic cannabis cookies and use a red beet dye for my cookie glaze.

“HOW TO MAKE NATURAL RED BEET FOOD COLORING”

“Did you know that the vibrant red color of beets is perfect for creating a natural red food coloring? The bright stain from red beets that may cause you to cringe every time you think of cooking or handling beets is actually a beautiful, fascinating, and underdeveloped feature of the red beet. “

https://www.justbeetit.com/beet-blog-index/red-beet-natural-food-coloring-dye-diy

AllyCat

(17,926 posts)
2. I don't dispute some of these colors and flavors are a problem, but....
Fri May 9, 2025, 05:54 PM
May 9

...this man is a lunatic. And I wouldn't put it past the industry to be allowed to "use up their existing stock of current dyes and flavors" just like what happened with lead paint.

Any agreement with this Brainworm guy ENDS THERE.

He is dangerous. Vaccines are lifesaving. Research into cancer treatments, women's health initiatives, other health conditions, and literally anything else that helps medical science is not on this idiot's wavelength.

The autism "list" alone is a complete invasion of privacy and will net no helpful result.

Everything else this loon is doing will HURT Americans.

The "natural" colors thing is a drop in the bucket of things we should be focused on.

underpants

(190,798 posts)
5. I agree. He's right in a couple of things but those are vastly outweighed
Fri May 9, 2025, 06:15 PM
May 9

by how dangerous he is.

Food dyes, actual sugar in soft drinks, healthcare over sick care.

But he’s killing vaccines with these placebo tests. They’ve never done that because they don’t need to. Science and vaccines have a pretty remarkable record.

He brought up CIA mind control experiments in public the other day. Okay we know that. He sounded like a college freshman trying to stand out as smart. He’s bringing fringe fringe elements and the Surgeon General nominees are all over the place.

womanofthehills

(9,796 posts)
15. Every prescription drug that goes on the market has a placebo test
Sat May 10, 2025, 11:43 AM
May 10

Why shouldn’t vaccines be held to the same standard? You can go over to the government site “clinicaltrials.gov” and see what the all the various vaccine trials used as control trials. It’s not always a similar vaccine. At that site- just type in the vaccine trials you want info on and all the trials and controls will come up.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/

womanofthehills

(9,796 posts)
24. Wow! Tyson is doing this end of May
Sun May 11, 2025, 03:09 PM
May 11

“Tyson Foods commits to removing synthetic dyes amid FDA's health push”

“Tyson Foods is changing the way it prepares food for customers amid a heavy push from the Food and Drug Administration and U.S. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.”

“Petroleum-based synthetic dyes will be cut from the company's food products by the end of May, according to Tyson Foods CEO, Donnie King.

The announcement was made during the company's Q2 earnings call meeting on Monday, May 5.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/nutrition/tyson-foods-commits-to-removing-synthetic-dyes-amid-fdas-health-push/ar-AA1Eh8LH

Irish_Dem

(69,994 posts)
9. Some of those foods could be dangerous.
Fri May 9, 2025, 07:55 PM
May 9

And they are going to be used widely and in many of our foods.

BumRushDaShow

(153,173 posts)
11. A lot of the foods can be and are dangerous
Fri May 9, 2025, 08:26 PM
May 9

but worse are the "food supplements" - i.e., various vitamins and minerals and plant extracts, etc. - stuff that brainworm host would covet. They are not generally regulated as "drugs" but as "food", so there is a different (somewhat lower) standard. The homeopathics have some extra regulation but they have their own dosing system anyway.

Irish_Dem

(69,994 posts)
12. I agree, there is no regulation for supplements.
Fri May 9, 2025, 08:30 PM
May 9

Every couple of years there are random audits of the supplements.
Many of them do not even contain the advertised herbal ingredients.

womanofthehills

(9,796 posts)
25. Probably the most dangerous chemicals on our foods are pesticides
Sun May 11, 2025, 03:24 PM
May 11

Strawberries & spinach have highest traces of pesticides among all fruits and vegetables — and corn, soy, beans, oats, lentils, almonds have highest levels of glyphosate plus numerous other pesticides like atrazine. Glyphosate and atrazine are illegal to use in many countries Atrazine is outlawed in Europe & even Russia doesn’t use glyphosate.

Business Insider - “Strawberries and spinach often contain pesticides even after washing, according to an annual report of toxic chemicals in produce”

womanofthehills

(9,796 posts)
16. What is weird- first we were told by main stream news
Sat May 10, 2025, 02:09 PM
May 10

All vaccines had placebo studies and how dare we question them.

Now we are being told by the news it’s unethical to have placebo studies.

?????????

Irish_Dem

(69,994 posts)
17. Both statements are true.
Sat May 10, 2025, 02:36 PM
May 10

All the vaccines have had long term random, double blind, placebo studies.
There are long term and very expensive research projects.

Once the vaccines have been approved, they require yearly updated boosters to account for for the
fact viruses mutate as they work through the population.

Because these are time sensitive studies, the yearly boosters have to get to market quickly,
there is not the time to do the long term studies. And it is unethical to deny a child a life
saving booster, which would have to happen in placebo studies.

In a placebo study, one treatment is the vaccine, the other is an inert substance.

womanofthehills

(9,796 posts)
27. clinical trials.gov has all the trials of all the vaccines
Sun May 11, 2025, 03:45 PM
May 11

Type in the name of the vaccine and the trials will come up.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/

womanofthehills

(9,796 posts)
28. But according to Dr Offit the placebo can have polysorbate 80 & aluminum
Sun May 11, 2025, 03:54 PM
May 11

"Indeed, a wide range of placebos have been used in vaccine trials," Offit wrote. "These placebos might contain buffers, stabilizing agents, emulsifying agents, or adjuvants, like aluminum salts. They might contain sodium citrate, sodium phosphate, sucrose or polysorbate-80 … all meet the FDA criteria for a placebo."

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2025/jan/02/ron-johnson/yes-there-have-been-placebo-controlled-studies-on/

Irish_Dem

(69,994 posts)
29. These would be considered inert compared to the treatment medication.
Sun May 11, 2025, 04:14 PM
May 11

Inert means no inherent treatment benefit.

NH Ethylene

(31,129 posts)
10. I'm glad he is addressing food colors.
Fri May 9, 2025, 08:04 PM
May 9

Too bad everything else he is obsessed with is wrong and dangerous.

NH Ethylene

(31,129 posts)
22. Red Dye #3 was already set to be taken off the market under the Biden administration.
Sun May 11, 2025, 01:16 AM
May 11

Europe banned its use in food in 1994.

California has banned red dye 40, yellow dyes 5 and 6, blue dyes 1 and 2, and green dye 3 from being offered in schools starting in 2028.

The US always lags behind on food safety regulations because of pressure from the food industries.

yardwork

(66,761 posts)
23. Exactly. Let's not pretend that the Republicans care about health.
Sun May 11, 2025, 09:04 AM
May 11

If they appear to, we know there's a grift somewhere.

womanofthehills

(9,796 posts)
26. He definitely is into using fewer pesticides
Sun May 11, 2025, 03:35 PM
May 11

And more regenerative farming.

This can be done. Organic Valley milk is a good example of a success in the milk industry. Organic Valley is a farmer owned cooperative of hundreds of US dairy farms . It’s a huge success - even Walmart sells their milk. Farmers joining forces instead of big corporations owning everything.

eppur_se_muova

(39,062 posts)
13. Our bones are made of calcium phosphate, so I'm guessing it's not harmful, except ...
Sat May 10, 2025, 11:04 AM
May 10

in the form of a bludgeon.

BumRushDaShow

(153,173 posts)
18. "Our bones are made of calcium phosphate"
Sat May 10, 2025, 02:42 PM
May 10

As are kidney stones.

Just get some acid in there to dissolve it!

(colas run around pH 4 )

BumRushDaShow

(153,173 posts)
21. "Struvite" is the one that contains phosphate
Sat May 10, 2025, 07:37 PM
May 10
https://www.kidney.org/struvite-stones

What causes struvite stones?

Struvite stones are caused by an upper urinary tract infection (UTI) from bacteria. Ammonia produced as a waste product by the bacteria can make the urine less acidic (or more alkaline). Struvite stones form when the urine becomes more alkaline. The main chemicals in a struvite stone include struvite (magnesium ammonium phosphate) and calcium carbon-apatite. These stones can grow quickly and become quite large. This can happen with few symptoms at first or little warning.


Needs acid to dissolve!

bucolic_frolic

(50,505 posts)
31. Meanwhile, sodium nitrite, growth hormones remain in the food chain
Sun May 11, 2025, 04:17 PM
May 11

Read the labels much?

I don't think these food dye removals will do anything.

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