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highplainsdem

(56,151 posts)
Fri May 9, 2025, 03:39 PM May 9

Stephen Miller says Trump administration is 'actively looking at' suspending habeas corpus

Source: PBS/AP

Stephen Miller, a top White House adviser, said the administration is looking for ways to expand its legal power to deport migrants who are in the country illegally.

“The Constitution is clear — and that of course is the supreme law of the land — that the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus can be suspended in a time of invasion,” he told reporters. “So it’s an option that we’re actively looking at.”

Miller added that “a lot of it depends on whether the courts do the right thing or not.”

-snip-

Read more: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-stephen-miller-says-trump-administration-is-actively-looking-at-suspending-habeas-corpus



His remarks on habeas corpus start about a half minute in.

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Stephen Miller says Trump administration is 'actively looking at' suspending habeas corpus (Original Post) highplainsdem May 9 OP
Impeach............. Lovie777 May 9 #1
This nonsense will continue until it turns against Republican constituencies. /nt bucolic_frolic May 9 #2
So anyone want to argue with me (again) that Miller is not more President than Trump on these issues? hlthe2b May 9 #3
I wonder who at Heritage Foundation is Millers ear worm? Was it his parents that instilled such hate? LiberalArkie May 9 #10
I'm going to do a separate thread on Miller, who I think many underestimate how dangerous he is... hlthe2b May 9 #19
Here we go. orangecrush May 9 #4
What invaders, NAZI boy? Kid Berwyn May 9 #5
Not "looking at" orangecrush May 9 #6
jail CloudWatcher May 9 #8
Happy NAZI is vile. Kid Berwyn May 9 #15
Post removed Post removed May 9 #9
Stephen Miller must suffer from what ails Trump. Kid Berwyn May 9 #16
Rec'd for clarity of visualization WheelWalker May 9 #31
Yes, the invaders have taken the White House, the House and Senate CloudWatcher May 9 #7
Miller should point to where on the doll the invaders hurt him LymphocyteLover May 10 #37
If habeas corpus is suspended, can true patriots take Miller into custody as an invading Russian agent? muriel_volestrangler May 9 #11
"The power to suspend habeas corpus rests with Congress, mzmolly May 9 #12
Stephen, you ignorant slut: mahatmakanejeeves May 9 #13
So this is how liberty dies. With thundrous applause. groundloop May 9 #14
Maddow Blog-White House's Stephen Miller: 'We are actively looking at' suspending habeas corpus LetMyPeopleVote May 9 #17
What the fuck more does he have to do for everyone to recognize Trump Playingmantis May 9 #18
The bigger question is what can we who do recognize this do about it? live love laugh May 9 #28
I wish... 2naSalit May 9 #20
Hah. I don't even have a tongue anymore these days! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E May 10 #36
"The US ..has only suspended habeas corps 4x in the past........ riversedge May 9 #21
Does this portend an "event"? live love laugh May 9 #30
Does anybody but think miller is one of the stupidest f..king idiots? Seriously PortTack May 9 #22
"and that a president cannot suspend habeas corpus without authorization from Congress." riversedge May 9 #23
Not since Lincoln, huh? True Dough May 9 #27
Rec 1000x AKwannabe May 10 #35
Ah, but there's the rub Bayard May 9 #32
Prof. Vladeck has some good analysis on the reason for this stunt/threat LetMyPeopleVote May 9 #24
In case no one noticed they are already doing that, despite court rulings. JohnSJ May 9 #25
There's a direct line choie May 9 #26
we will stop them with our democratic efforts-- we are the sovereigns LymphocyteLover May 10 #38
That's what they said after the Civil War choie May 10 #40
Almost there .... live love laugh May 9 #29
People need to attack the false pretenses under which they're doing this shit. "National emergency"..."a time of Karasu May 10 #33
Fuck. Him. AKwannabe May 10 #34
This is complete fascist bullshit LymphocyteLover May 10 #39

hlthe2b

(109,899 posts)
3. So anyone want to argue with me (again) that Miller is not more President than Trump on these issues?
Fri May 9, 2025, 03:42 PM
May 9

At least Co-President, given his evil motivations and obvious influence.

Not even a damned lawyer, but makes up shit as though he had WRITTEN the constitution. So much bullshit in so little time.




I may be a pacifist (yes, I actually AM), but if anything happens to "remove" Trump, natural or not, may it happen with Miller simultaneously.

LiberalArkie

(18,284 posts)
10. I wonder who at Heritage Foundation is Millers ear worm? Was it his parents that instilled such hate?
Fri May 9, 2025, 04:24 PM
May 9

hlthe2b

(109,899 posts)
19. I'm going to do a separate thread on Miller, who I think many underestimate how dangerous he is...
Fri May 9, 2025, 06:03 PM
May 9

This 2018 article from his retired neuropsychologist uncle on his mother's side is very revealing. Miller is the Jewish descendant of those escaping the anti-Jewish pogroms of what is now Belarus. He comes from wealth and atypical conservatism in a far more liberal section of southern California. His nastiness was already in full display in high school and he was mentored by none other than the recently deceased (crickets) David Horowitz at Duke University.

Here's a couple of comments/questions posed to him from his PBS Frontline interview:
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/interview/david-glosser/

… So he goes to Duke University. His connection to David Horowitz becomes an important thing for him. He calls him sort of a mentor. And he goes to Duke, and he sort of establishes a group which is based on Horowitz’s request to conservatives around the country, students, to form these groups, taught to rebel against the liberal establishment in the universities and to push issues such as their rights to debate the issues that they feel strongly about. Do you know much about or anything about his history? What did you hear about his endeavors at Duke, which include his going after liberal professors, his blaming 9/11 on unenforced immigration, his saying that the worshipping of multicultur[al]ism was the downfall of the United States?

(Worth reading that entire interview)

Also:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/13/stephen-miller-is-an-immigration-hypocrite-i-know-because-im-his-uncle-219351/

And: (yeah, it is the Daily Mail, but... )
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14070173/stephen-miller-uncle-trump-dark-impulse-immigration.html


He's one POS...

Kid Berwyn

(20,452 posts)
5. What invaders, NAZI boy?
Fri May 9, 2025, 03:52 PM
May 9

Filled with refugees escaping the NAZIs, the USA turned away the MS St. Louis in 1939. While some later found refuge in England and Europe, many aboard would die in the Holocaust. The US Coast Guard even patrolled the waters as the ship passed our shores to prevent anyone from jumping overboard and swimming to safety.

orangecrush

(24,720 posts)
6. Not "looking at"
Fri May 9, 2025, 04:03 PM
May 9

If he says this, they are going to ignore Habeus Corpus and ignore any court orders that tell them they can't just like they have with everything else.

CloudWatcher

(2,021 posts)
8. jail
Fri May 9, 2025, 04:07 PM
May 9

Until the courts start tossing them in jail they're going to continue to just take rulings under consideration. With about as much weight as your or my letters to the editor expressing our disapproval.

Kid Berwyn

(20,452 posts)
15. Happy NAZI is vile.
Fri May 9, 2025, 04:52 PM
May 9

May the so-called brains of the outfit get all he so richly deserves, serving a miserable and medically lengthened if necessary life sentence behind bars. Unlike his idealized Reich, We the People do not summarily execute traitors. We follow due process as made clear in the Constitution.

Who knew? If we can watch him on a Supermax webcam 24/7, it might be worth re-opening Alcatraz after all.

Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #5)

Kid Berwyn

(20,452 posts)
16. Stephen Miller must suffer from what ails Trump.
Fri May 9, 2025, 04:59 PM
May 9

Last edited Fri May 9, 2025, 05:41 PM - Edit history (1)

Somewhere in his youth he must have come to the delusion that he is superior because he thinks the world revolves around him when it’s just him spinning around the MAGA flagpole shoved up his Donald.

CloudWatcher

(2,021 posts)
7. Yes, the invaders have taken the White House, the House and Senate
Fri May 9, 2025, 04:06 PM
May 9

We're not at war. There's no invasion. I wonder if legal filings that include this bs could get their lawyers censured and disbarred.

muriel_volestrangler

(103,723 posts)
11. If habeas corpus is suspended, can true patriots take Miller into custody as an invading Russian agent?
Fri May 9, 2025, 04:29 PM
May 9

He's clearly linked to an aggressive foreign power, with designs on capturing the country.

mzmolly

(52,167 posts)
12. "The power to suspend habeas corpus rests with Congress,
Fri May 9, 2025, 04:35 PM
May 9
either through their own affirmative actions or though an express delegation to the Executive. The Executive does not have the independent authority to suspend the writ."

Source > https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/habeas_corpus

mahatmakanejeeves

(64,740 posts)
13. Stephen, you ignorant slut:
Fri May 9, 2025, 04:38 PM
May 9
… the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus can be suspended in a time of invasion …

The word you are deliberately avoiding using is “right.”

Certain conditions must be in place before this right can be suspended. “I don’t like those people” is not sufficient.

LetMyPeopleVote

(163,560 posts)
17. Maddow Blog-White House's Stephen Miller: 'We are actively looking at' suspending habeas corpus
Fri May 9, 2025, 05:19 PM
May 9

Miller claimed the U.S. can suspend the right to challenge the legality of a person’s detention “in time of invasion.”

NEW: White House’s Stephen Miller: ‘We are actively looking at’ suspending habeas corpus
www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...

MSNBC (@msnbc.com) 2025-05-09T20:40:35.207Z



https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/white-houses-stephen-miller-are-actively-looking-suspending-habeas-cor-rcna205945

In recent months, the radicalism of the Trump administration’s anti-immigration agenda has come into focus, leaving many to wonder just how much further the Republican White House is prepared to go. It was against this backdrop that CNBC reported:

White House deputy chief of staff for policy Stephen Miller said Friday that the Trump administration is ‘actively looking at’ suspending habeas corpus, the right to challenge the legality of a person’s detention by the government. Miller’s comment came in response to a White House reporter who asked about President Donald Trump entertaining the idea of suspending the writ of habeas corpus to deal with the problem of illegal immigration into the United States.


“The Constitution is clear — and that, of course, is the supreme law of the land — that the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus can be suspended in time of invasion,” the presidential adviser said. “So, that’s an option we’re actively looking at.”

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:aunpu65mdrhwfie7ynymlzeh/post/3lor5uhp4vk2j




.....When I spoke about this to my colleague Lisa Rubin, an MSNBC legal correspondent and a former litigator, she described Miller’s idea as “truly crazy,” adding, “Miller isn’t proposing suspending a statutory right; rather, what he’s talking about is triggering a specific constitutional provision, namely the Suspension Clause of Article I of the Constitution. That clause provides ‘The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.’”

Steve Vladeck, a Georgetown University law professor, similarly explained that the Constitution’s Suspension Clause “doesn’t allow the President to unilaterally suspend habeas, especially when Congress is in session; applies only to cases of invasion or rebellion (this is quite clearly neither); and even then applies only ‘when the public safety may require it.’ (It doesn’t.)”

This is precisely why it was relevant throughout the 2024 campaign that Donald Trump and his allies would reference the word “invasion” as part of their anti-immigration pitch.

Time will tell whether the president is seriously prepared to pursue such an extreme approach, but that this conversation is even underway is a startling reminder of just how far the United States has gone down a radical path.

Playingmantis

(399 posts)
18. What the fuck more does he have to do for everyone to recognize Trump
Fri May 9, 2025, 05:29 PM
May 9

hates American values and wants to destroy them! When will America rise up in disgust?? Does he have to start arresting his opponents and anyone that criticizes him?

live love laugh

(15,349 posts)
28. The bigger question is what can we who do recognize this do about it?
Fri May 9, 2025, 09:16 PM
May 9

I’m fairly certain the majority know by now.

riversedge

(75,695 posts)
21. "The US ..has only suspended habeas corps 4x in the past........
Fri May 9, 2025, 07:06 PM
May 9

We could have easily guessed that Stephen Miller is at the root of this issue. damn



https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wh-trump-suspending-habeas-corpus/story?id=121653587


............The Constitution allows for the suspension of habeas corpus in extraordinary circumstances such as an invasion or rebellion when it would be necessary to protect public safety.


According to the National Constitution Center, the United States has suspended habeas corpus four times in the past -- during the Civil War, during Reconstruction in South Carolina, in the Philippines during a 1905 insurrection, and in Hawaii in 1941 after Pearl Harbor was bombed by Japan during World War II.

PortTack

(35,639 posts)
22. Does anybody but think miller is one of the stupidest f..king idiots? Seriously
Fri May 9, 2025, 07:11 PM
May 9

Let’s go out and announce what lawless thing in the form of an EO we’re gonna do next.

JHC!!

riversedge

(75,695 posts)
23. "and that a president cannot suspend habeas corpus without authorization from Congress."
Fri May 9, 2025, 07:13 PM
May 9




...........Miller said that the administration's decision would come down to whether the "courts do the right thing or not."


But legal experts say the issue is not as cut and dried as Miller suggests, and that a president cannot suspend habeas corpus without authorization from Congress.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wh-trump-suspending-habeas-corpus/story?id=121653587

President Abraham Lincoln famously suspended the writ of habeas corpus at the outbreak of the Civil War.

But then-Chief Justice Roger Taney deemed the move unlawful, noting the operative clause is found in Article I of the Constitution, which itemizes Congress' powers, not the president's.

LetMyPeopleVote

(163,560 posts)
24. Prof. Vladeck has some good analysis on the reason for this stunt/threat
Fri May 9, 2025, 07:57 PM
May 9

Miller and trump are trying to intimidate the courts into ruling their way to avoid having habeas corpus suspended. trump and Miller have been taking actions that seem designed to piss off the cours.



https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/148-suspending-habeas-corpus

Fifth, and finally, Miller gives away the game when he says “a lot of it depends on whether the courts do the right thing or not.” It’s not just the mafia-esque threat implicit in this statement (“I’ll make him an offer he can’t refuse”); it’s that he’s telling on himself: He’s suggesting that the administration would (unlawfully) suspend habeas corpus if (but apparently only if) it disagrees with how courts rule in these cases. In other words, it’s not the judicial review itself that’s imperiling national security; it’s the possibility that the government might lose. That’s not, and has never been, a viable argument for suspending habeas corpus. Were it otherwise, there’d be no point to having the writ in the first place—let alone to enshrining it in the Constitution.

If the goal is just to try to bully and intimidate federal judges into acquiescing in more unlawful activity by the Trump administration, that’s shameful enough. But suggesting that the President can unilaterally cut courts out of the loop solely because they’re disagreeing with him is suggesting that judicial review—indeed, that the Constitution itself—is just a convenience. Something tells me that even federal judges and justices who might otherwise be sympathetic to the government’s arguments on the merits in some of these cases will be troubled by the implication that their authority depends entirely upon the President’s beneficence.

***

It’s certainly possible that this doesn’t go anywhere. Indeed, I hope that turns out to be true. But Miller’s comments strike me as a rather serious ratcheting up of the anti-court rhetoric coming out of this administration—and an ill-conceived one at that.

choie

(5,490 posts)
26. There's a direct line
Fri May 9, 2025, 08:26 PM
May 9

from the GW bush administration, their response to 9/11 their war crimes in Iraq and Guantanamo to this fascist regime. We didn't stop bush nor hold him accountable. How are we going to stop trump and his henchman miller?

LymphocyteLover

(8,046 posts)
38. we will stop them with our democratic efforts-- we are the sovereigns
Sat May 10, 2025, 07:54 AM
May 10

We may not get accountability but we will get our country back

choie

(5,490 posts)
40. That's what they said after the Civil War
Sat May 10, 2025, 07:05 PM
May 10

And there was no accountability. And here we are.

Karasu

(1,219 posts)
33. People need to attack the false pretenses under which they're doing this shit. "National emergency"..."a time of
Sat May 10, 2025, 02:44 AM
May 10

invasion." The fascists should have to fucking PROVE this shit...and they know they fucking can't.

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