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BumRushDaShow

(157,355 posts)
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 04:14 PM Apr 2025

US judge rules Mahmoud Khalil can be deported for his views

Source: The Guardian

Fri 11 Apr 2025 16.09 EDT
Last modified on Fri 11 Apr 2025 16.34 EDT


Mahmoud Khalil, the Columbia University graduate and Palestinian organizer, is eligible to be deported from the United States, an immigration judge ruled on Friday during a contentious hearing at a remote court in central Louisiana.

The decision sides with the Trump administration’s claim that a short memo written by secretary of state Marco Rubio, which stated Khalil’s “beliefs and associations” were counter to foreign policy interests, is sufficient evidence to remove a lawful permanent resident from the United States.

The undated memo, the main piece of evidence submitted by the government, contained no allegations of criminal conduct. During a tense hearing on Friday afternoon, Khalil’s attorneys made an array of unsuccessful arguments attempting to both delay a ruling on his eligibility for removal and to terminate proceedings entirely. They argued the broad allegations contained in Rubio’s memo gave them a right to directly cross-examine him.

Khalil held prayer beads as attorneys for three attorneys for the Department of Homeland Security presented arguments for his removal. Judge Jamee Comans ruled that Rubio’s determination was “presumptive and sufficient evidence” and that she had no power to rule on concerns over free speech. “There is no indication that Congress contemplated an immigration judge or even the attorney general overruling the secretary of state on matters of foreign policy,” Comans said. A supporter was in tears on the crowded public benches as the ruling was delivered.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/11/mahmoud-khalil-deportation-ruling-immigration



Article updated.

Original article -

Fri 11 Apr 2025 16.09 EDT
Last modified on Fri 11 Apr 2025 16.10 EDT


Mahmoud Khalil, the Columbia University graduate and Palestinian organizer, is eligible to be deported from the United States, an immigration judge ruled on Friday during a contentious hearing at a remote court in central Louisiana.

The decision sides with the Trump administration’s claim that a short memo written by secretary of state Marco Rubio, which stated Khalil’s “beliefs and associations” were counter to foreign policy interests, is sufficient evidence to remove a lawful permanent resident from the United States.

The undated memo, the main piece of evidence submitted by the government, contained no allegations of criminal conduct. During a tense hearing on Friday afternoon, Khalil’s attorneys made an array of unsuccessful arguments attempting to both delay a ruling on his eligibility for removal and to terminate proceedings entirely. They argued the broad allegations contained in Rubio’s memo gave them a right to directly cross-examine him.

Khalil held prayer beads as attorneys for three attorneys for the Department of Homeland Security presented arguments for his removal. Judge Jamee Comans ruled that Rubio’s determination was “presumptive and sufficient evidence” and that she had no power to rule on concerns over free speech. “There is no indication that Congress contemplated an immigration judge or even the attorney general overruling the secretary of state on matters of foreign policy,” Comans said. A supporter was in tears on the crowded public benches as the rule was delivered.

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US judge rules Mahmoud Khalil can be deported for his views (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Apr 2025 OP
APPEAL ! ! ! no_hypocrisy Apr 2025 #1
He'll probably lose. Igel Apr 2025 #17
No free speech for non-citizens. But soon that will apply to citizens as well. surfered Apr 2025 #2
Cry HAVOC... GiqueCee Apr 2025 #3
Have to add the video BumRushDaShow Apr 2025 #22
I paraphrased Marc Antony's words from Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar"... GiqueCee Apr 2025 #43
I have ideas markie Apr 2025 #4
There's a separate, coincident case going on in New Jersey, so he can't actually be deported yet... Native Apr 2025 #5
How come there is a second trial? question everything Apr 2025 #29
Here ya go... Native Apr 2025 #39
This is pretty insane. Balatro Apr 2025 #6
Nazi judge. Basso8vb Apr 2025 #7
No reason to deploy that epithet maxsolomon Apr 2025 #12
Are you OK with this? Cirsium Apr 2025 #25
I'm ok with the decision if she believes she's following the law Polybius Apr 2025 #28
As if that ever means anything. Cirsium Apr 2025 #31
I'm am not a lawyer Polybius Apr 2025 #32
Your opinion, of course Cirsium Apr 2025 #34
My opinion is rather complicated Polybius Apr 2025 #36
Stupid to protest? Cirsium Apr 2025 #38
I didn't say that I support Rubio's actions Polybius Apr 2025 #40
I guess Cirsium Apr 2025 #41
The critical point that seems to be shouted down in all this... GiqueCee Apr 2025 #44
The Judge's decision? If that aligns with the law, then yes. maxsolomon Apr 2025 #42
Appointed in January 2023 by the US Department of Justice's Executive Office for Immigration Review Polybius Apr 2025 #18
Are you OK with it? Cirsium Apr 2025 #26
My heart breaks Scubamatt Apr 2025 #8
So it boils down to this judge blessing the notion moniss Apr 2025 #9
Sounds to me as if slightlv Apr 2025 #10
Immigration courts are article 1 courts. Nonnia Bisnez Apr 2025 #11
Article II Judges & Courts. Part of the DOJ, specifically the Executive Office for Immigration Review n/t 24601 Apr 2025 #16
'Pawns': Critics blast 'fake' judge who ruled Trump can deport Columbia activist LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2025 #13
Trump's fascist state is complete iemanja Apr 2025 #14
Fascism's darkness has fallen on this country. sinkingfeeling Apr 2025 #15
Unless and until the SCOTUS overrules Judge Jamee Comans, we are all Mahmoud Khalil now. ancianita Apr 2025 #19
That judge is one of the so-called "Article II" (administrative) judges BumRushDaShow Apr 2025 #20
Hizzonner Comans... GiqueCee Apr 2025 #21
"Hurronner" Comans. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2025 #23
Thanks for the correction... GiqueCee Apr 2025 #24
Dunno about Wavy Gravy, he said a lot of wise and thoughtful stuff. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2025 #33
HA! GiqueCee Apr 2025 #35
Like I said: Late sixties. I think '71 was still in the late sixties, it's all a bit blurry. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2025 #37
I don't understand how this can be either legal or constitutional. Martin68 Apr 2025 #27
Once all the appeals are exhausted, will he be allowed to leave on his own accord? question everything Apr 2025 #30

Igel

(37,028 posts)
17. He'll probably lose.
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 11:25 PM
Apr 2025

The law basically places the determination in the administration's hands--what, it's up to State to make the determination?

BumRushDaShow

(157,355 posts)
22. Have to add the video
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 09:17 AM
Apr 2025


(from ST6 - "The Undiscovered Country" - the late Christopher Plummer)

GiqueCee

(2,608 posts)
43. I paraphrased Marc Antony's words from Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar"...
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 12:19 PM
Apr 2025

... The Bard definitely had a way with words, did he not?

Native

(7,200 posts)
5. There's a separate, coincident case going on in New Jersey, so he can't actually be deported yet...
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 04:26 PM
Apr 2025

There is still hope.

question everything

(50,693 posts)
29. How come there is a second trial?
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:12 PM
Apr 2025

Sadly, I can see judges claiming that they cannot second guessing the secretary of state..

 

Balatro

(51 posts)
6. This is pretty insane.
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 04:38 PM
Apr 2025

So essentially, the freedom of speech of all immigrants and/or international visitors to the U.S. is limited? Then there is this whole "antisemitic" part. If all he was doing was protesting the policies and actions of a nation (Israel) when did that become grounds to kick him out of the country? If this can happen to this guy, who seems like a fine, upstanding young man, then how long before they start doing this to others? He has already talked about exporting prisoners to CECOT. It's getting a bit scary.

maxsolomon

(36,982 posts)
12. No reason to deploy that epithet
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 05:26 PM
Apr 2025

As we're learning, the SoS can apparently revoke resident status at will. It's a subjective standard.

Polybius

(20,609 posts)
28. I'm ok with the decision if she believes she's following the law
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:03 PM
Apr 2025

As Igel said in Post 17, "The law basically places the determination in the administration's hands."

Cirsium

(2,758 posts)
31. As if that ever means anything.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:28 PM
Apr 2025

Right wing judges are dumping on that concept all the time.

Senator Hubert Humphrey said that the act exposed deportees to bureaucratic tyranny and warned that deportations "without review would be the beginning of a police state".

You don't think it should be subject to judicial review, especially since it conflicts with the Bill of Rights?

Polybius

(20,609 posts)
32. I'm am not a lawyer
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:31 PM
Apr 2025

Are you asking me my personal opinion, or my opinion based on what I think may be the law? I do think that it will be appealed.

Cirsium

(2,758 posts)
34. Your opinion, of course
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 02:02 PM
Apr 2025

What does being a lawyer have to do with any of this? The Trump administration is taking a meat axe to the law. Give your opinion as a human being.

This case is but one example in a broad and serious assault on the Constitution. Are you OK with that?

Polybius

(20,609 posts)
36. My opinion is rather complicated
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 02:09 PM
Apr 2025

I think it's incredibly stupid to engage in protests and unpopular opinions while trying to become a full US citizen. However, what he did while holding a Green Card should probably be legal.

Polybius

(20,609 posts)
40. I didn't say that I support Rubio's actions
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 06:48 PM
Apr 2025

Only what I thought of non-citizens causing problems. And make no mistake about it, those protests were problematic to Jewish students that didn't want to protest.

Cirsium

(2,758 posts)
41. I guess
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 07:11 PM
Apr 2025

Not sure what you are trying to say.

"Non-citizens causing problems?" By doing what, writing and saying things? You know, unpopular things?

Nice to know you don't support Rubio.

GiqueCee

(2,608 posts)
44. The critical point that seems to be shouted down in all this...
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 12:33 PM
Apr 2025

Last edited Mon Apr 21, 2025, 07:10 AM - Edit history (1)

... is that Mahmoud was never advocating for Hamas, he was speaking in defense of the Palestinian people being systematically victimized by Netanyahu's brutal policies. It is wrong to conflate being Palestinian with being a Hamas sympathizer, and equally wrong to say that criticizing Netanyahu's actions is antisemitic. It is not. It is simply anti-Netanyahu. There are millions of Israelis that abhor what Netanyahu is doing.

maxsolomon

(36,982 posts)
42. The Judge's decision? If that aligns with the law, then yes.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 12:11 PM
Apr 2025

I don't think the judge is a "Nazi" for this ruling, and that was my point.

Am I OK with the SoS revoking Khalil's resident status over his protest in opposition to Israel's conduct of the War in Gaza? No.

The MFer Admin is exploiting an ambiguous, ill-defined standard for political repression.

Polybius

(20,609 posts)
18. Appointed in January 2023 by the US Department of Justice's Executive Office for Immigration Review
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 02:31 AM
Apr 2025

Not a Nazi, Biden’s Administration appointed her.

Cirsium

(2,758 posts)
26. Are you OK with it?
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 12:57 PM
Apr 2025

Are you OK with the decision by Rubio and the decision by the judge?

Scubamatt

(196 posts)
8. My heart breaks
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 04:53 PM
Apr 2025

for him, his family and what's left for our Republic. I hope everyone who chose not to vote for VP Harris because of Biden's support of Israel takes a good look in the mirror and owns up to a piece of responsibility for this, and dedicates themselves to not allowing perfection to be the enemy of the good, should we have another election.

moniss

(7,758 posts)
9. So it boils down to this judge blessing the notion
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 04:57 PM
Apr 2025

that anybody can be deported who has a position or advocates for a foreign policy different than an administration. Sounds like a judge looking to get a higher appointment. Justice for sale.

slightlv

(6,200 posts)
10. Sounds to me as if
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 05:12 PM
Apr 2025

the republicans have jumped on the trump revenge band wagon. Everything we protested for and against in the 60's and 70's, when people like nixon, poppa bush, cheney, and others were making no effort to hide the fact that they hated the damned hippies, is on the chopping block. That includes free thought and creativity. That includes freedom, itself. Hell, it even means recreational sex! These evil basta*ds have saved up decades of hate until they could release it under the "guise of law." They just had to wait for the correct patsy to lead them. and along came trump... the pastiest patsy that ever pastied!

 

Nonnia Bisnez

(90 posts)
11. Immigration courts are article 1 courts.
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 05:13 PM
Apr 2025

Immigration courts are under the department of justice jurisdiction to administer immigration law. It doesn't have subject matter jurisdiction on constitutional matters. The ruling simply states that the Secretary of State has the power to deport foreign nationals if it is in the foreign policy interest of the US. I suspect it will be appealed to an Article 3 court to determine if curtailing speech of permanent residents is constitutionally allowed and the SOS abused his discretion.

24601

(4,095 posts)
16. Article II Judges & Courts. Part of the DOJ, specifically the Executive Office for Immigration Review n/t
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 07:01 PM
Apr 2025

LetMyPeopleVote

(166,992 posts)
13. 'Pawns': Critics blast 'fake' judge who ruled Trump can deport Columbia activist
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 06:18 PM
Apr 2025

The "judge" who issued this order is an immigration "judge" who was appointed by trump after trump purged all competent immigration judge. This judge is doing what he was ordered to do by trump and knows that if he rules against trump on this or any other issue, he will be removed.

This ruling will be appealed to a real judge who is not controlled by trump.

‘Pawns’: Critics blast 'fake' judge who ruled Trump can deport Columbia activist https://twp.ai/4imR4c

#TuckFrump (@realtuckfrumper.bsky.social) 2025-04-11T21:41:23.000Z



https://www.rawstory.com/mahmoud-khalil-2671753774/

A federal immigration judge’s ruling on Friday that allowed the Trump administration to move forward with the deportation of former Columbia University student Mahmoud Khalil was roundly criticized by legal observers stunned by the decision.

The ruling greenlighting the deportation of the 30-year-old legal U.S. resident came at the end of a hearing in Louisiana as Immigration Judge Jamee E. Comans concluded that the government “established by clear and convincing evidence that he is removable,” according to The Associated Press.

But not all were swayed by the judge’s legal reading of the case, which marked the first in a string of arrests at universities nationwide of students living in the U.S. as permanent residents in an escalation of the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown......

“The fake judge (a DOJ Immigration Judge) ruled this, and he is only empowered to interpret immigration law, not the Constitution,” Cato Institute immigration expert David Bier wrote on X.

Civil rights attorney Scott Hechinger told his own X followers that it was “really critical to understand 2 things about the Mahmoud Khalil ruling.”

“1. Immigration judges are *not nominated & confirmed.* They are political appointees of the Executive. 2. Trump purged all immigration judges he didn’t like at the outset of his admin. They’re all pawns,” he said.

This ruling will be appealed

iemanja

(56,362 posts)
14. Trump's fascist state is complete
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 06:21 PM
Apr 2025

Last edited Fri Apr 11, 2025, 10:44 PM - Edit history (1)

The deportations will accelerate now, and US citizens will also be targeted.

ancianita

(41,183 posts)
19. Unless and until the SCOTUS overrules Judge Jamee Comans, we are all Mahmoud Khalil now.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 06:50 AM
Apr 2025

Last edited Sat Apr 12, 2025, 12:54 PM - Edit history (1)

Judge Jamee Comans ruled that Rubio’s determination was “presumptive and sufficient evidence” and that she had no power to rule on concerns over free speech. “There is no indication that Congress contemplated an immigration judge or even the attorney general overruling the secretary of state on matters of foreign policy,” Comans said.

BumRushDaShow

(157,355 posts)
20. That judge is one of the so-called "Article II" (administrative) judges
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 06:56 AM
Apr 2025

who are set up under the Executive Branch. Ironically, 45 wanted to get rid of that whole system of agency judges. But then it seems their "end goal" is to eliminate any type of judiciary, period.

GiqueCee

(2,608 posts)
21. Hizzonner Comans...
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 08:44 AM
Apr 2025

... now has impeachment on his dance card, and he'll be doing the Aztec Two-Step when they drag his sorry ass in front of the Senate for trial.

GiqueCee

(2,608 posts)
24. Thanks for the correction...
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 10:16 AM
Apr 2025

... in my haste I read the first name as "James", not Jamee.

Re: your screen name: Wasn't it Wavy Gravy who coined the phrase, "We're all bozos on this bus," when Kesey and the Merry Pranksters were bouncin' around the countryside like ping pong balls in a garbage can and trippin' their brains out on acid back in '64?

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,247 posts)
33. Dunno about Wavy Gravy, he said a lot of wise and thoughtful stuff.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:43 PM
Apr 2025

I heard it first from Firesign Theater; it would have been later in the '60's, after I got out of the Army.

GiqueCee

(2,608 posts)
35. HA!
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 02:05 PM
Apr 2025

I loved Firesign Theater! "MORE SUGAR!"
Now that you mention it, didn't they release an album entitled, "We're all bozos on this bus"? I'll ask the all-knowing Google. Yup. their 4th album, "I think we're all bozos on this bus" came out in '71. I was 24.
Hugh Romney could've said it, though.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,247 posts)
37. Like I said: Late sixties. I think '71 was still in the late sixties, it's all a bit blurry.
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 02:17 PM
Apr 2025

Same-ish age, I turned 25 in '71.

question everything

(50,693 posts)
30. Once all the appeals are exhausted, will he be allowed to leave on his own accord?
Sat Apr 12, 2025, 01:22 PM
Apr 2025

I am thinking of Canada which, I hope, will offer him refuge for the next four years. Once his child is born, and is an American citizen, his spouse should be able to join him.

Such cruelty.

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