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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsStatin question: If the Senators have access to the best health care, why wasn't Lindsey getting care
for his heart condition? Hardening of the arteries doesn't just happen over night.
I'm asking because I keep seeing ads that claim that statins do not clear out arteries, which begs the question, why use them at all, then?
So, I'm a bit confused why a Senator would allow a heart condition to go untreated, and if it was treated, what was he taking that evidently, didn't work?
Ocelot II
(132,049 posts)Sometimes even apparently healthy people drop dead.
artemisia1
(1,946 posts)either predict or prevent a sudden cardiovascular event.
Solly Mack
(97,559 posts)For all I know - and I didn't know Graham personally - he could have been one of those people.
Baitball Blogger
(53,011 posts)My hubby is on statins and I'm trying to determine the risks. We recently had a friend who was on them and he had a heart attack anyway, but there was also a set of circumstances that could explain why it happened.
Solly Mack
(97,559 posts)Even those who appear healthy. Underlying health conditions make it more likely in some people, but it really can happen to anyone.
We don't know and won't know until the full report comes out.
Maru Kitteh
(32,171 posts)a patient may make.
Lindsey has looked like a heavy drinker for years. Statins are there to compliment the lifestyle and dietary efforts of the patient.
Its not a matter of them not working. No drug can promise you will never develop a disease or condition, and death still comes to all of us.
yardwork
(70,295 posts)Baitball Blogger
(53,011 posts)LisaL
(48,314 posts)"The most common feature of aortic dissection is its abrupt start. It can happen at any time, most commonly from a sudden rise in blood pressure with heavy exertion. But it can occur while doing anything, at rest or when youre sleeping. There are no aortic dissection warning signs."
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/16743-aortic-dissection
yardwork
(70,295 posts)Jersey Devil
(10,910 posts)Coroner says preliminary findings are that Graham had a burst aorta, sounding to me more like an aneurism than a heart attack. But we have no idea whether he was screened for either.
TexasBushwhacker
(21,363 posts)Alan Thicke died at 69. The thing is, with symptoms like chest pain, sweating and vomiting, the first thing doctors will assume is that they are having a heart attack. IF they find the art c dissection is happening, they MIGHT be able to save them in surgery, but usually they don't.
John Ritter's widow, Amy Yasbeck, sued his doctors and the hospital for wrongful death. The hospital settled for $14 Million. The case against the doctors went to trill and the jury sided with the doctors 9 to 3. Even if the AD is diagnosed and the patient goes straight to surgery, they often die anyway.
Playwright Jonathan Larson died of an aortic dissection the day of the first preview of his musical "Rent". He was only 35.
LisaL
(48,314 posts)He died from aortic dissection.
There is a high death rate when it happens.
Sympthsical
(11,381 posts)They're nasty things. Even if someone's receiving treatment such as statins to lower LDL and help with the risk, it doesn't magically reverse arterial damage. Usually you need a full lifestyle shift of exercise and solid diet to help minimize the damage - and it is only a bit. You can't exercise yourself back to 25 year old arteries.
Looking at Lindsey Graham, I don't think he was out jogging while monching on kale.
Medical science can only do so much.
sarisataka
(23,303 posts)an aortic rupture is virtually undetectable until it happens.
Do we know he was not on medication for his heart and arteries?
unblock
(56,328 posts)They aren't magic, but they're hardly useless. They lower the "bad" cholesterol, making the formation of new arterial plaques less likely. You are correct that they don't clear out existing plaques, but they're do gradually change their structure in a way that makes them harder to break apart - i.e., less likely to cause an embolism that least to a stroke.
They do have potential side effects, and while the general consensus is that it's a no-brainer to take them if you have high cholesterol and/or atherosclerosis, they may not be appropriate for everyone.
And as others have noted, cholesterol/atherosclerosis/statins may not even be relevant to this case in particular.
Finally, if you live long enough, you *will* get hardening of the arteries (atherosclerosis). The incidence by age 65 is 100%. Maybe there's some rounding error of seniors without it.
I've had zero symptoms, it showed up on a CT scan while investigating a kidney stone episode. Age 62. Docs said it's completely normal but my cholesterol was a bit over last test, hence the statins.
cachukis
(4,228 posts)46 to 48k deaths a year. Surgery is rare, only about 250 per year.
Rural victims don't stand much of a chance. Even in the cities, you need a heads up thoracic surgeon.
My wife lucked out. Ten minutes to emergency room and her surgeon actually teaches courses on the procedures.
Actually removed her heart to repair valve and replace 4 inches of her ascending dissected aorta that started to bleed.
They all know her at the hospital and bend over backwards to extend her care.
Timing is almost everything. Graham's time ran out.
dalton99a
(96,626 posts)Malcolm Ferguson / January 14, 2026 / 11:26 a.m. ET
Republican Senator Writes About Lindsey Grahams Vomit in Fish Tank
Senator John Kennedy says Lindsey Graham loves alcohol like nothing else.
Senator John Kennedy shared some revealing information about his fellow GOPer Lindsey Graham in his new book, confirming Grahams hawkish sensibilities and his penchant for alcoholic beverages.
If you want to stump Lindsey, just ask him to name a country he wouldnt bomb, Kennedy wrote in his book, How to Test Negative for Stupid: And Why Washington Never Will.
Then Kennedy moved on to the drink.
Invite him to dinner, and you dont know if hell sit down for an intelligent conversation or get drunk and vomit in the fish tank. But thats why I like him.
This isnt the first time Grahams drinking has come up. In 2015, New York magazine wrote that Graham likes a drink so much he thinks drinking more might just solve the problems in Washington. And just last month, he appeared visibly drunk while answering questions at a news conference in Charleston, South Carolina.
Baitball Blogger
(53,011 posts)multigraincracker
(38,451 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(27,497 posts) or chance, for that matter.
LeftInTX
(35,267 posts)2024 and 2026. He's been on statins for decades. Statins accumulate in your liver and then in your joints causing painful arthritis and then a decrease in exercise. My husband can't even grasp handlebars on a bike!
Pills just don't fix your arteries. Hubby had a heart attack and needed stents despite taking statins.
Meds aren't miracles.
Also bad aortas can be genetic. In Graham's case, it was his aorta that ruptured. Usually clogged arteries lead to a heart attack. In this case, his aorta ruptured. His aortic wall was likely weak and herniated. Just like the cerebral aneurysm that killed my paternal grandmother and mother.
Shit happens.
Baitball Blogger
(53,011 posts)I don't see why there isn't a sense of urgency in this country to find an alternative to statins. My husband got on them because his cholesterol levels were high, probably due to genetics, and his doctor convinced him that it was the easy fix. He said something like, you will put less stress on your heart and you can eat anything you want.
But now we're finding out that it's a ticking time bomb.
Stargazer99
(3,627 posts)I take them and it has ruined my life with forgetfulness that is every day problem as I am one of them that it has screw up my brain 24/7. I fear I will wake up one morning and forget who I am. I use a counter oven and microwave
so I don't start a fire in the house by getting side tracked and forget what I have on the stove and cause a fire
A DAMN GOOD REASON WHY BUSINESS SHOULD NEVER BE INVOLVED IN HEALTH CARE. You have no idea how pissed I am struggling through this nightmare
Baitball Blogger
(53,011 posts)I truly believe that a class action lawsuit is on its way. Doctors were compelling, pushing this thing.
ShepKat
(567 posts)no chance in hell will i voluntarily take statins. Not worth the side effects.
If 'altering lifestyle' won't help- nature will take it's course. I live with chronic pain from ehlers danlos.
Living with that PLUS dealing with sickness together is not something I would ever look forward to for the rest of my life.
moonscape
(5,826 posts)muscle damage from them.
Im 75, know my cholesterol is high, and my solution is not to get lipid tests. There is,so much contradictory information, and Im just not sold on them for a number of reasons.
sheshe2
(99,285 posts)snip
A person who spoke with Graham shortly afterward said the senator complained that he was feeling unwell," the report states. "When the person urged him to seek medical attention immediately, Graham said he would do so Sunday morning after his scheduled appearance on NBC's Meet the Press.
Axios reported, citing an anonymous source, that Graham said he still had work to do, like "the Russia sanctions," getting "Iran sorted out," and "do Israeli-Saudi normalization."
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Graham also joked, "I can't die now."
https://www.rawstory.com/lindsey-graham-2677208310/
Lindsey Graham Shrugged Off Calls to See Doctor Before Death
Lindsey Graham was urged to seek immediate medical attention but brushed off the advice with a chilling joke in the moments before his death, according to a report.
The South Carolina senator died Saturday night after what his office called a brief and sudden illness, two days after his 71st birthday and just hours after returning from a visit to Ukraine.
Emergency personnel responded to a report of cardiac arrest at Grahams Capitol Hill home at around 8:30 p.m.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/lindsey-graham-shrugged-off-calls-to-see-doctor-before-death/
QueerDuck
(2,518 posts)
🎶 I've written a letter to Lindsey...🎶
DFW
(60,936 posts)Georges Clemenceau explained:
The cemeteries are full of irreplaceable menall of whom have been replaced.
no_hypocrisy
(55,913 posts)When you last saw your doctor, you didn't have the manifest symptoms of an DA.
My father was a cardiologist (heart doctor) and HE didn't realize that he was in the process of dying from a DA.
He was 92, rear-ended a van at a gas station. His car had no airbag. His chest hit the steering column. He refused to go to a hospital and get medical evaluation/treatment. He hid the accident from me and my siblings.
One week later, he had an unexplained, severe backache. Instead of seeing his cardiologist, he scheduled a massage for his back. The masseur didn't know about the accident and gave him therapy.
The backache persisted hours later and my father sent a neighbor to get him a heating pad.
A little while later, he was having a heart attack and managed to call 9-1-1, but it was too late to save him.
Baitball Blogger
(53,011 posts)I am so sorry. Some of the most enduring lessons our parents leave us occurs in the end.
PCIntern
(28,895 posts)Ever see a burst water main in a city street? Thats it.