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PCIntern

(28,895 posts)
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 04:28 AM Yesterday

"Brief and sudden illness"???

It sure must have been brief, because he was scheduled to be on MTP this morning.

Another “interesting” senatorial scenario…

“I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but”…

Nah, I don’t want to say anything inappropriate at this time, it’d be utterly tasteless. And crass.

Nope, I’m taking the High Road….for now.

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"Brief and sudden illness"??? (Original Post) PCIntern Yesterday OP
Recommended. H2O Man Yesterday #1
The weather's fine there durablend Yesterday #3
"But it's a dry heat" Conjuay Yesterday #54
He's definitely not ok. Omnipresent Yesterday #35
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Yesterday #82
No Omnipresent 20 hrs ago #83
Yes. H2O Man 18 hrs ago #84
You forgot that sarcasm symbol Omnipresent 10 hrs ago #85
No. H2O Man 4 hrs ago #86
This message was self-deleted by its author H2O Man 4 hrs ago #87
I hope he has a very nice funeral. displacedvermoter Yesterday #40
For a funeral JPK Yesterday #62
But we already know where all roads lead Lifeafter70 Yesterday #2
Yea but 71 year old men just up and die all the time. Lets not get carried away. FascismIsDeath Yesterday #4
You're absolutely right... PCIntern Yesterday #5
It depends on what caused the heart attack, if that is even what happened. FascismIsDeath Yesterday #11
There'd be symptoms of pneumonia... PCIntern Yesterday #12
Explosive diarrhea? The Madcap Yesterday #63
I normally analyze language and word usage PCIntern Yesterday #67
Sure, could be completely innocent, but given where it happened in the world, paulkienitz Yesterday #13
You are right. Heart attack or a stroke is not a sudden illness. So why be so secretive? Katinfl Yesterday #37
Assuming soulless Lindsey had a heart,, agingdem Yesterday #41
Maybe he had the same brief and sudden illness liberalgunwilltravel Yesterday #19
You have a good memory for salacious 1970s political trivia. John1956PA Yesterday #21
Happy wasn't so Happy after the event PCIntern Yesterday #38
This message was self-deleted by its author liberalgunwilltravel Yesterday #45
Megan Marshack was the lady who made Happy displacedvermoter Yesterday #46
What can I say? liberalgunwilltravel Yesterday #58
.... wolfie001 Yesterday #33
Yep. Had a very healthy friend who suffered a brain aneurism while shopping. She allegorical oracle Yesterday #26
Lindsay had already lingered for too long. Bumbles Yesterday #29
You're right. And we no nothing about his health. Buckeyeblue Yesterday #65
Check out how he looked recently LeftInTX Yesterday #6
"Brief & sudden illness" vs. an "event" like a heart attack ? CincyDem Yesterday #7
Exactly. PCIntern Yesterday #9
No RandySF Yesterday #10
Could also be a pulmonary embolism caused by deep vein thrombosis. pnwmom Yesterday #14
I was thinking the same thing videohead5 Yesterday #16
Ding! Ding! Ding! Roy Rolling Yesterday #17
I know someone who died of that.. ananda Yesterday #18
I remember that young NBC reporter, David Bloom, who was traveling with the troops in Iraq wolfie001 Yesterday #32
There is a very common genetic variation that increases the risk of a DVT pnwmom Yesterday #73
Are we thinking poison? GPV Yesterday #15
I'm not. I doubt many are. onenote Yesterday #47
Cardiac arrest is certainly a sudden medical event JMCKUSICK Yesterday #22
Odd choice of words, indeed.......................... Lovie777 Yesterday #27
The reporting is RandySF Yesterday #8
ETTD. Coincidentally he just met with Zelensky and announced sanctions on Russia. lostnfound Yesterday #20
I've been sleeping... Trueblue Texan Yesterday #23
......... wolfie001 Yesterday #31
Truly a beautiful day in the neighborhood!!! Trueblue Texan Yesterday #53
Yep! Zero sympathy from me wolfie001 Yesterday #70
OMFG!!!!! Lindsay Graham CROAKED?!!! Trueblue Texan Yesterday #24
I had to do it............. twodogsbarking Yesterday #25
He just came back from Ukraine - 20 hours on a plane - blood clot? Vinca Yesterday #28
This was my thought Boo1 Yesterday #42
Blood clot could cause cardiac arrest. LisaL Yesterday #64
russki operative wolfie001 Yesterday #30
i would love a look inside that box rampartd Yesterday #44
What if JPK Yesterday #68
I think he drank himself to death. NCDem47 Yesterday #34
I can't handle too much alcohol now, and I'm only 63 MrsCheaplaugh Yesterday #49
I know. I'm 79 and I can't get through that fourth Manhattan anymore. tavernier Yesterday #71
Getting old beats the alternative. The Wizard Yesterday #79
Stress at the top bucolic_frolic Yesterday #36
Journalese for "Heart Attack." Kid Berwyn Yesterday #39
ok. i'm out of the gutter. for now rampartd Yesterday #43
No meet the press today, just meet your maker. GreenWave Yesterday #48
"sudden illness" has long been a PR euphemism for things like heart attack and stroke Sympthsical Yesterday #50
Wham Bam thank you Graham Blue Owl Yesterday #51
Poppers while dancing? flying_wahini Yesterday #52
🤣😂 👊 Possibly. We'll never know... not that I'd want to know for sure. QueerDuck Yesterday #57
Me, too. However, when the inevidable finally takes TACO, all bets are off. marble falls Yesterday #55
Me, too. However, when the inevidable finally takes TACO, all bets are off. marble falls Yesterday #56
Maybe we should say, "Well done, Ukraine"? sinkingfeeling Yesterday #59
Well damn dweller Yesterday #60
I'm sorry he didn't suffer longer EnergizedLib Yesterday #61
Red-state, southern diet did him in? He looked rather bloated last time I saw his ugly mug on tv. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Yesterday #66
If it was a heart attack Mz Pip Yesterday #69
They don't have an official cause of death. LeftInTX Yesterday #75
Fair enough Mz Pip Yesterday #80
If it's sudden, it's not brief Grim Chieftain Yesterday #72
Sounds like a heart attack LeftInTX Yesterday #74
I hadn't heard the "chest pains" PCIntern Yesterday #76
His press people were probably rushed and wording wasn't the best LeftInTX Yesterday #77
Pulmonary embolisms and aortal aneurisms are both very sudden... 50 Shades Of Blue Yesterday #78
Well that "Illness was sudden and very brief" but long lasting. republianmushroom Yesterday #81
I'll take the high road for 18 more hours Torchlight 4 hrs ago #88

Response to Omnipresent (Reply #85)

FascismIsDeath

(352 posts)
4. Yea but 71 year old men just up and die all the time. Lets not get carried away.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 04:40 AM
Yesterday

This was unexpected for sure but not unrealistic at all.

PCIntern

(28,895 posts)
5. You're absolutely right...
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 04:44 AM
Yesterday

And please let me add that that can also be said in Russia with the epidemic there of defenestrations and poisonings.

But all jokes aside that’s true. I just wouldn’t classify a heart attack or stroke as an illness. But that’s me.

FascismIsDeath

(352 posts)
11. It depends on what caused the heart attack, if that is even what happened.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 05:01 AM
Yesterday

But it could be as simple as pneumonia or something like that.

PCIntern

(28,895 posts)
12. There'd be symptoms of pneumonia...
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 05:22 AM
Yesterday

There’s either a lot more to this story or nothing at all.

The Madcap

(2,258 posts)
63. Explosive diarrhea?
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 10:07 AM
Yesterday

Seems to be in the news a lot lately.

I thought "illness" was a strange choice, but I don't doubt the cardiac arrest angle, especially after a long flight and likely poor sleep.

PCIntern

(28,895 posts)
67. I normally analyze language and word usage
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 10:29 AM
Yesterday

But many individuals are not aware of the distinction among descriptors so whoever composed the press release may have done so, unknowingly confusing illness with episode or condition.

It may well have been a blood clot. The exact same thing happened to the wife of a patient of mine who flew back from Israel. She dropped dead two days later, never having been sick.

paulkienitz

(1,571 posts)
13. Sure, could be completely innocent, but given where it happened in the world,
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 05:36 AM
Yesterday

and the abruptness of it, conspiracy ideas are gonna be inevitable.

Katinfl

(960 posts)
37. You are right. Heart attack or a stroke is not a sudden illness. So why be so secretive?
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 07:56 AM
Yesterday

be straightforward with the cause of death and end the speculation.

agingdem

(9,077 posts)
41. Assuming soulless Lindsey had a heart,,
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 08:07 AM
Yesterday

and unless he had an undisclosed history of coronary heart disease, reprehensible Lindsey died of a sudden heart attack..the cause is irrelevant because Trump’s ass-kissing toady is still dead..thoughts and prayers!

liberalgunwilltravel

(1,336 posts)
19. Maybe he had the same brief and sudden illness
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 06:15 AM
Yesterday

As Nelson Rockefeller. Except instead of a 25 year old woman …

Response to John1956PA (Reply #21)

displacedvermoter

(5,314 posts)
46. Megan Marshack was the lady who made Happy
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 08:36 AM
Yesterday

unhappy. Covered up nicely, but the story still brings out a nasty chuckle from fans of "salacious 1970s political trivia", which I admit, I too enjoy...

liberalgunwilltravel

(1,336 posts)
58. What can I say?
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 09:31 AM
Yesterday

I’m old. Also a native of NY State and the beneficiary of the SUNY system that Rockefeller started. Pat Moynihan and Jacob Javits were the Senators I grew up with. Back when there were still honorable Republicans. And in today’s world, Nelson would be considered a Social Democrat, except for his misguided views on recreational drugs.

allegorical oracle

(6,766 posts)
26. Yep. Had a very healthy friend who suffered a brain aneurism while shopping. She
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 07:27 AM
Yesterday

was in her 60s and died in surgery when surgeons couldn't staunch the resultant brain hemorrhage. Overall, sudden may be a kinder way to go than lingering for years.

Buckeyeblue

(6,533 posts)
65. You're right. And we no nothing about his health.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 10:19 AM
Yesterday

Maybe he had some heart issues or something else. I don't know if he exercised. He looked like a drinker.

LeftInTX

(35,267 posts)
6. Check out how he looked recently
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 04:45 AM
Yesterday

Congestive Heart Failure?

Although it's not brief and sudden, he may have had it. People can have it for decades, but maybe it caused his cardiac arrest last night?

CincyDem

(7,467 posts)
7. "Brief & sudden illness" vs. an "event" like a heart attack ?
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 04:53 AM
Yesterday

A serious question for the medical types around the board...what's the difference. Not looking for conspiracies or anything but it just seems like a difference without distinction.

Is there some political reason its better (if that's possible) to die of a brief and sudden illness that to announce that he died of a heart attack of a cardiac arrest?

pnwmom

(110,358 posts)
14. Could also be a pulmonary embolism caused by deep vein thrombosis.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 05:43 AM
Yesterday

Everyone knows what a heart attack is, but fewer people know about DVTs and P.E's, which can happen after long plane flights. And a P.E. can damage the heart or cause a stroke.

They might not know exactly how he died unless they do an autopsy.

videohead5

(3,055 posts)
16. I was thinking the same thing
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 05:53 AM
Yesterday

He was just on a very long airplane ride. It's pretty easy to put two and two together.

Roy Rolling

(7,774 posts)
17. Ding! Ding! Ding!
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 05:53 AM
Yesterday

We have a winner!

Just returning from a long flight is the key. A pulmonary embolism checks all the boxes. Not a shockable rhythm, it’s why he needed immediate transport.

I think, technically, a pulmonary embolism’s symptoms are nearly identical to a “cardiac arrest”. Defibrillator usually detects the difference in electrical rhythm. (From a retired EMT)

ananda

(35,958 posts)
18. I know someone who died of that..
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 05:58 AM
Yesterday

and never knew she had it.

It was sudden and unexpected.

wolfie001

(8,314 posts)
32. I remember that young NBC reporter, David Bloom, who was traveling with the troops in Iraq
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 07:45 AM
Yesterday

He seemed in shape but not "combat-ready". All of the sudden the body is in stressful situations. Sad.

pnwmom

(110,358 posts)
73. There is a very common genetic variation that increases the risk of a DVT
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 01:15 PM
Yesterday

and most people don't know they're at risk till they've had their first. It wouldn't matter how combat ready they were if they had the gene.

JMCKUSICK

(7,028 posts)
22. Cardiac arrest is certainly a sudden medical event
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 06:50 AM
Yesterday

I know there are many of us who happen to have had symptoms that we heeded which made us long term medical issue sufferers rather than sudden medical event victims if you will.

There are many people who never have a sign before the Big One.

RandySF

(88,688 posts)
8. The reporting is
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 04:56 AM
Yesterday

that DC Emergency Services desponded to a cardiac “event” at his house on Capitol Hill. I don’t know if he died or at the hospital.

lostnfound

(17,726 posts)
20. ETTD. Coincidentally he just met with Zelensky and announced sanctions on Russia.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 06:30 AM
Yesterday

i think it was probably just a heart attack. Years of stress from selling his soul and from travel.

One never knows however.

Vinca

(54,648 posts)
28. He just came back from Ukraine - 20 hours on a plane - blood clot?
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 07:35 AM
Yesterday

Conspiracy me can't help but think now is the time for Russia to poison Ukraine supporters in this country. Our intelligence and federal law enforcement (excluding ICE) has been gutted.

Boo1

(790 posts)
42. This was my thought
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 08:21 AM
Yesterday

DVT after extended plane ride.

But just a thought, could be anything.

JPK

(1,030 posts)
68. What if
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 10:33 AM
Yesterday

Some golfer shanks a ball and it lands on her grave? Does he get a drop or does he have to play it from where the ball landed?

NCDem47

(3,584 posts)
34. I think he drank himself to death.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 07:50 AM
Yesterday

You saw it in his television appearnaces and odd behavior

I've seen it up close and personal. The body can only take so much abuse.



MrsCheaplaugh

(296 posts)
49. I can't handle too much alcohol now, and I'm only 63
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 09:02 AM
Yesterday

For a 71 year old man who's out of shape, heavy drinking is deadly.

tavernier

(14,600 posts)
71. I know. I'm 79 and I can't get through that fourth Manhattan anymore.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 11:21 AM
Yesterday

Have to switch to wine. But the docs say women should stop at one wine so that has to be the nightcap. It’s a bitch getting old.

bucolic_frolic

(56,522 posts)
36. Stress at the top
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 07:55 AM
Yesterday

The wars, the temperatures of global warming, the anger and scheming, the paranoia, the travel, the infighting, the greed.

This is not a relaxed and tolerant space, and no one is getting any younger.

He rose high in life and deserves the respect of office, I suppose. But to me he was just misguided.

Kid Berwyn

(25,715 posts)
39. Journalese for "Heart Attack."
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 08:04 AM
Yesterday

“Extended Illness” is cancer.

Simplifies pathology to save time for readers.

Sympthsical

(11,381 posts)
50. "sudden illness" has long been a PR euphemism for things like heart attack and stroke
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 09:13 AM
Yesterday

Either the family wants privacy, or they're not definitively sure what caused the death yet and just want to get a notification out there.

Another common acute illness included in this verbiage is pneumonia. Sepsis, too.

Sudden illness is generally just a euphemism for unexpectedly. Usually to signal they weren't secretly suffering from some undisclosed issue. Like sometimes how an actor or whomever has cancer that's been kept from the public (i.e. when Alan Rickman died).

Edit: Dying suddenly at 71 isn't a crazy event. As the other poster noted, he just returned from a long trip. Maybe DVT.

QueerDuck

(2,518 posts)
57. 🤣😂 👊 Possibly. We'll never know... not that I'd want to know for sure.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 09:25 AM
Yesterday

I suspect that in the end, more truths will come out. All the things that LG wanted to keep secret (whatever they may have been) and all the things that his handlers and blackmailers were using against him to keep him in control and make sure that he toed the line. It will be interesting to see how this develops and how long it takes for the truth to bubble up to the top of the LG cesspool of lies.

RedWhiteBlueIsRacist

(2,489 posts)
66. Red-state, southern diet did him in? He looked rather bloated last time I saw his ugly mug on tv.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 10:26 AM
Yesterday

Mz Pip

(28,561 posts)
69. If it was a heart attack
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 10:38 AM
Yesterday

why not just say so? No one would be surprised.

I just find this wording odd. It’s the kind of wording that leads to speculation and conspiracy theories.

LeftInTX

(35,267 posts)
75. They don't have an official cause of death.
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 01:30 PM
Yesterday

He came home from Ukraine hours earlier
Spoke with Trump on the phone
Told Trump his was tired
Called EMS for chest pain around 8:30 pm


Emergency medical services received a call around 8:30 p.m. Saturday for a person with chest pains at a Capitol Hill home owned by Graham, according to the audio. About 25 minutes later, emergency personnel said that CPR was in progress and that a man at the house was suffering from cardiac arrest.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/07/12/lindsey-graham-longtime-south-carolina-senator-dies-71/

The blurb after his death was a press release from his staff.
I never read much into those things.

They are just meant to tell the public that someone
1 died
2 died of natural causes
3 wasn't running around sick.

Was brief illness a bad choice of words? Did he have some other health issues? Maybe.
But he just got home from Ukraine, so this brief illness was very brief. Other words, "Died unexpectly from natural causes", "Died unexpectedly after experiencing chest pain". His press people may not have had all the details. It's hard to get the right wording, when you're dealing with an emergency situation. People are not the best wordsmiths when they're dealing with emergencies. I hear poor wording from law enforcement frequently, then it gets refined.

Mz Pip

(28,561 posts)
80. Fair enough
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 02:13 PM
Yesterday

I guess with all of the speculation around McConnell’s hospitalization, it’s hard not to be a bit suspicious.

Though, I just read that Kash Patel said an investigation is underway.

Grim Chieftain

(2,431 posts)
72. If it's sudden, it's not brief
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 11:27 AM
Yesterday

Do these idiots even understand common definitions? You just can't fix stupid.

LeftInTX

(35,267 posts)
74. Sounds like a heart attack
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 01:26 PM
Yesterday

Graham died hours after returning from a trip to Ukraine, where he met with President Volodymyr Zelensky. The senator had been one of Ukraine’s staunchest supporters in Washington.

Emergency medical services received a call around 8:30 p.m. Saturday for a person with chest pains at a Capitol Hill home owned by Graham, according to the audio. About 25 minutes later, emergency personnel said that CPR was in progress and that a man at the house was suffering from cardiac arrest.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/07/12/lindsey-graham-longtime-south-carolina-senator-dies-71/

LeftInTX

(35,267 posts)
77. His press people were probably rushed and wording wasn't the best
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 01:42 PM
Yesterday

I see this alot. They are trying to convey death, natural causes, but they fumbled a bit on the natural causes thing. Maybe they wanted to convey that he didn't have a chronic illness and called it brief, leading people to believe he had a weeks long illness or something.

Torchlight

(7,427 posts)
88. I'll take the high road for 18 more hours
Mon Jul 13, 2026, 01:54 PM
4 hrs ago

then it's off with sanctimonious, self-serving attire (too itchy when I wear it, almost itchy on my eyes when others do) and then quickly back to the routine snark typical of most days.

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