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PCIntern

(28,563 posts)
Tue May 12, 2026, 03:49 PM 19 hrs ago

Frankly, if my grossly overweight patient with heart failure and

Obvious deterioration both mentally and physically, progressing rapidly, grossly swollen legs and feet and history of Transient Ischemic Attacks, I would advise against a 20,000 mile round trip airline flight, no matter how mobile you could in fact be during that flight.

This trip has potential to be highly problematic health-wise. But what do I know?

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Frankly, if my grossly overweight patient with heart failure and (Original Post) PCIntern 19 hrs ago OP
Fingers crossed! bif 19 hrs ago #1
We will just have to hope for the best. rambler_american 15 hrs ago #61
Tease! questionseverything 19 hrs ago #2
We can only hope his doctors are as bad as his lawyers... displacedvermoter 19 hrs ago #3
How about RFK, Jr in charge of his health care? Jerry2144 18 hrs ago #7
if they are bootlickers Skittles 16 hrs ago #55
We can only hope nothing minor happens. Ocelot II 19 hrs ago #4
Yes it's positively insane. BannonsLiver 19 hrs ago #5
Don't get people's hopes up 😉 MustLoveBeagles 19 hrs ago #6
If I were China I wouldn't want him traveling for a diplomatic visit at this time. Baitball Blogger 18 hrs ago #8
And they'd have to find a big enough box to do a return shipment1 erronis 17 hrs ago #18
Glad I'm Just Jerome 17 hrs ago #24
They could probably find room on a container ship. WestMichRad 16 hrs ago #48
Exactly popsdenver 16 hrs ago #46
That's why, as a health professional, I endorse this trip for that person. Maru Kitteh 18 hrs ago #9
Yes, I am tearfully supporting PatSeg 17 hrs ago #20
Blood clots can happen to anyone. maxsolomon 18 hrs ago #10
Compression socks. Old Crank 4 hrs ago #80
Let us pray ZDU 18 hrs ago #11
His degenerative health and high risk behavior are Torchlight 18 hrs ago #12
Flying in AF1 isn't like flying on an airliner. Liberal In Texas 18 hrs ago #13
Cardiovascularly, flying poses threats PCIntern 18 hrs ago #16
Even if you can move around in AF1 unlike on an airliner, the cabin in any airplane Ocelot II 17 hrs ago #34
Lower, probably 6,000 with upgrades Aviation Pro 16 hrs ago #53
Hmm. Pushing the limits on the skin of an aging beast . . Maru Kitteh 14 hrs ago #65
No doubt the mechanics Aviation Pro 12 hrs ago #73
--- and he's gotta do it two times. 3Hotdogs 11 hrs ago #74
why must you use that bedroom talk FHRRK1 9 hrs ago #79
Not only @ 47,000 feet but in the middle of the Pacific Ocean too. Botany 2 hrs ago #84
And we all know how much Jabba loves to move around. tavernier 1 hr ago #88
True. Liberal In Texas 13 hrs ago #71
It's still pressurized COL Mustard 17 hrs ago #28
You are now free to move about the cabin.... Blue Owl 18 hrs ago #14
Do you know why he flies so much? To catch lightning in the sky and not just wait for it to show up. usonian 18 hrs ago #15
Well done with lots of ketchup. PCIntern 17 hrs ago #41
Hey Orrex! Blood clots in the legs often occur during looooong plane trips. no_hypocrisy 18 hrs ago #17
Death Ride dave99 17 hrs ago #19
Don't threaten me with a good time. nclib 17 hrs ago #21
Don't give us false hope, PC. He hasn't even designed the royal crypt yet. Vinca 17 hrs ago #22
Please make it happen. I can't keep my party planner on retainer much longer. NoMoreRepugs 17 hrs ago #23
I hope he gets a double dose of hypoxia on the flight Aviation Pro 17 hrs ago #25
Oh Please haryn 17 hrs ago #26
I'm just rooting for bedridden IbogaProject 17 hrs ago #27
MY fervent wish: AZ8theist 13 hrs ago #68
May it be so! niyad 10 hrs ago #75
If Krasnov is such a great negotiator... ultralite001 17 hrs ago #29
You're saying mercuryblues 17 hrs ago #30
Hate to rain on the parade, but he's going to be just fine. Fil1957 17 hrs ago #31
Someday he won't be. Ocelot II 17 hrs ago #35
True, but not as soon as people hope or think it will be. Fil1957 17 hrs ago #36
You never know... Ocelot II 17 hrs ago #37
Yes, you never know -- one can always hope, but don't count on it. Fil1957 17 hrs ago #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Katinfl 16 hrs ago #56
Sorry I am tired of being disappointed Bluestocking 17 hrs ago #32
Maybe that's what JD and the Project 2025 crowd are counting on. ChicagoTeamster 17 hrs ago #33
Bingo! OldBaldy1701E 3 hrs ago #82
I personally want the champagne to break out whole reading an Orrex... NNadir 17 hrs ago #38
I'm starting to lose my faith in WH doctors. Trmp has had four physicals this year and .... eppur_se_muova 17 hrs ago #40
Why... he could live to 200!!! PCIntern 17 hrs ago #42
It's already past 1600 here ! nt eppur_se_muova 17 hrs ago #44
I recommend sitting stationary the entire flight. 33taw 17 hrs ago #43
I want my free beer from the world famous, and owner of, and running for WI Govenor, Minocqua Brewing Co a kennedy 17 hrs ago #45
If only JV Vance was going along too. NBachers 16 hrs ago #47
Ah, interesting Joinfortmill 16 hrs ago #49
That also crossed my mind BeneteauBum 16 hrs ago #50
Sicily 2017 bmichaelh 16 hrs ago #51
His doctor also said he weighs 220 pounds... Unrepentant Fenian 16 hrs ago #52
Ah, thank you! That cheered me right up! niyad 16 hrs ago #54
Good!! AverageOldGuy 16 hrs ago #57
. Hassin Bin Sober 16 hrs ago #58
For all the travel. especially the flying, he does, Totally Tunsie 16 hrs ago #59
No doubt aka JD is busy praying the rosary Hassler 16 hrs ago #60
Thank 😊 you Faux pas 15 hrs ago #62
Maybe it's finally time to chill a small bottle of champagne. Ilsa 14 hrs ago #63
I've had two bottles chilling since the election. Totally Tunsie 12 hrs ago #72
My friends and I all keep bubbly on chill for that longed-for moment. niyad 10 hrs ago #76
Relax, people GenThePerservering 14 hrs ago #64
My mother told me three people she knows got very sick BigmanPigman 14 hrs ago #66
Maybe it's one way! Hope22 13 hrs ago #67
Don't get people's hopes up D_Master81 13 hrs ago #69
The reduced air pressure will probably help with his swelling. Orrex 13 hrs ago #70
Like mitt romney's dog on the family car. niyad 10 hrs ago #77
Air Force One would make a perfectly good nursing home. carpetbagger 10 hrs ago #78
I hope he'll be ok.../s MiHale 3 hrs ago #81
SSSHHHHH!!!! Swede 2 hrs ago #83
A local "pool" I'm aware of has tomorrow as the first AllyCat 2 hrs ago #85
The thing is that none of us "know" onenote 1 hr ago #86
I don't know anything PCIntern 1 hr ago #87

Baitball Blogger

(52,695 posts)
8. If I were China I wouldn't want him traveling for a diplomatic visit at this time.
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:19 PM
18 hrs ago

If something happens to Trump, MAGA will claim the Chinese poisoned him.

erronis

(24,468 posts)
18. And they'd have to find a big enough box to do a return shipment1
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:59 PM
17 hrs ago

To say nothing about fluids leaking. (Sorry!)

popsdenver

(2,581 posts)
46. Exactly
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:58 PM
16 hrs ago

Perfect set up for our CIA to pull a false flag? (or is it Black Flag?) operation, have something happen to him, and blame it on China......

For those here old enough to remember ....
............wouldn't be the first time our government did that........

If I were China, I wouldn't let him anywhere near my country......and in all truth, "Mr. Worldly" couldn't even point out China on a blank map............

Maru Kitteh

(31,968 posts)
9. That's why, as a health professional, I endorse this trip for that person.
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:24 PM
18 hrs ago

Carry on sir (with tears in my eyes).



editing to add: I am not a big strong man, but hopefully my tears will do

PatSeg

(53,477 posts)
20. Yes, I am tearfully supporting
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:00 PM
17 hrs ago

his diplomatic trip as I believe he can do it! "Don't let the naysayers or doctors dissuade you sir, sniff, sniff. You can do this!"

Old Crank

(7,195 posts)
80. Compression socks.
Wed May 13, 2026, 06:37 AM
4 hrs ago

Doctors orders. I use them on flights longer than 2 hours. That normally covers 90 percent of my flights.

Torchlight

(7,021 posts)
12. His degenerative health and high risk behavior are
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:39 PM
18 hrs ago

tough for even Joe Sixpack to look past and ignore. I think the best messaging defense they have available on this one is the anemic, "well... let's just wait and see, it happens to the best of us.."

Liberal In Texas

(16,405 posts)
13. Flying in AF1 isn't like flying on an airliner.
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:40 PM
18 hrs ago

It has an office/gym, a bedroom, a dining area/conference room, a full kitchen and a medical facility. It's almost not much more cramped and stressful than walking around the WH or one of his golf clubs.

But hope live eternally.




PCIntern

(28,563 posts)
16. Cardiovascularly, flying poses threats
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:51 PM
18 hrs ago

for brittle patients. There are many issues including but not limited to cabin pressure variations.

Ocelot II

(131,161 posts)
34. Even if you can move around in AF1 unlike on an airliner, the cabin in any airplane
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:30 PM
17 hrs ago

is pressurized to the equivalent of 10,000 feet above seal level, which is at about the limit of where you can start to get hypoxia. So an overweight 80-year-old with possible congestive heart failure and a history of TIAs flying to China is basically going to be sitting on top of San Jacinto Peak for 10 hours. Many hours at 10,000' can reduce O2 saturation to about 88%, which might not be a good thing for said overweight 80-year-old.

FHRRK1

(107 posts)
79. why must you use that bedroom talk
Wed May 13, 2026, 01:09 AM
9 hrs ago

You are teasing that special "NASTY" number! (not that one)

Oh no, can we hope the O2 saturation drops to 86!

Oh god help me, could it happen at 47,000 feet?

Botany

(77,803 posts)
84. Not only @ 47,000 feet but in the middle of the Pacific Ocean too.
Wed May 13, 2026, 08:33 AM
2 hrs ago

I am sure that the plane has medical gear but ….. we always can hope for a massive cerebral vascular accident.

tavernier

(14,502 posts)
88. And we all know how much Jabba loves to move around.
Wed May 13, 2026, 09:46 AM
1 hr ago

I’m surprised he doesn’t hire two strong men to carry his chair from room to room and transfer him onto the toilet.

usonian

(26,498 posts)
15. Do you know why he flies so much? To catch lightning in the sky and not just wait for it to show up.
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:43 PM
18 hrs ago


This time, probably because he likes "high steaks" diplomacy. (30,000 feet high)

Jet engine flame broiled, with afterburners on full blast.



BUT BE WARNED.
Space aliens have been doxxed to the general public, and I hear that
THEY ARE PISSED
and will get even.

no_hypocrisy

(55,314 posts)
17. Hey Orrex! Blood clots in the legs often occur during looooong plane trips.
Tue May 12, 2026, 04:53 PM
18 hrs ago

Embolisms and all that.

Jes' sayin'

Aviation Pro

(15,749 posts)
25. I hope he gets a double dose of hypoxia on the flight
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:15 PM
17 hrs ago

Hypoxic hypoxia and stagnant hypoxia (because he won't move his fat, fucking ass).

haryn

(44 posts)
26. Oh Please
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:16 PM
17 hrs ago

The only good thing he could do for this country and the world is to forever leave them.

IbogaProject

(6,055 posts)
27. I'm just rooting for bedridden
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:18 PM
17 hrs ago

With very poor speech and inability to post anymore. I want him to watch every one move on for awhile, especially for people to start to rebuke him while he is still alive.

Response to Fil1957 (Reply #31)

OldBaldy1701E

(11,501 posts)
82. Bingo!
Wed May 13, 2026, 07:39 AM
3 hrs ago

What better way to precipitate a full on war with China than to have a president perish while visiting the country.

They will claim assassination, they will claim machinations and they will start a war that will run for decades because the people who are making billions want to keep on making billions. War is the only way to keep that number climbing.

As far as the costs? Well, the rich don't ever suffer consequences, so they won't care.

We could make them care... but we are too far up their asses to do that.

NNadir

(38,497 posts)
38. I personally want the champagne to break out whole reading an Orrex...
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:34 PM
17 hrs ago

Last edited Tue May 12, 2026, 06:59 PM - Edit history (1)

...celebratory post.

The more risk this horrible person takes with fragile physical health and a blown mind never should be subject to restriction.

eppur_se_muova

(42,420 posts)
40. I'm starting to lose my faith in WH doctors. Trmp has had four physicals this year and ....
Tue May 12, 2026, 05:43 PM
17 hrs ago

... they still haven't found anything serious ? Are these guys even trying ?

BeneteauBum

(747 posts)
50. That also crossed my mind
Tue May 12, 2026, 06:18 PM
16 hrs ago

And I wonder how effective he can be on the world stage……

Peace ☮️

AverageOldGuy

(4,139 posts)
57. Good!!
Tue May 12, 2026, 06:42 PM
16 hrs ago

Let him go. Two advantages of Trump being out of the US.

1. The stress of travel could kill him.
2. He's not awake after midnight tweeting.

Totally Tunsie

(11,995 posts)
59. For all the travel. especially the flying, he does,
Tue May 12, 2026, 06:53 PM
16 hrs ago

one would think eventually the odds would catch up with him.

Roll those dice!

Hassler

(4,957 posts)
60. No doubt aka JD is busy praying the rosary
Tue May 12, 2026, 06:54 PM
16 hrs ago

That it all works out for JD. He offed Francis with an awkward laugh, so who knows.

Ilsa

(64,536 posts)
63. Maybe it's finally time to chill a small bottle of champagne.
Tue May 12, 2026, 08:30 PM
14 hrs ago

Thanks for the potentially good news.

niyad

(133,884 posts)
76. My friends and I all keep bubbly on chill for that longed-for moment.
Wed May 13, 2026, 12:03 AM
10 hrs ago

It is important to be prepared!

BigmanPigman

(55,496 posts)
66. My mother told me three people she knows got very sick
Tue May 12, 2026, 08:52 PM
14 hrs ago

for several weeks recently after they flew on a plane to CA from the East Coast. What's up with that? Has anyone else noticed this?

On the bright side, hopefully the fucking moron will get sick and die. Hope springs eternal!

D_Master81

(2,673 posts)
69. Don't get people's hopes up
Tue May 12, 2026, 09:36 PM
13 hrs ago

You can’t be posting stuff getting people’s hopes up now

Orrex

(67,364 posts)
70. The reduced air pressure will probably help with his swelling.
Tue May 12, 2026, 09:38 PM
13 hrs ago

As such, he should ride on the outside of the jet.

carpetbagger

(5,511 posts)
78. Air Force One would make a perfectly good nursing home.
Wed May 13, 2026, 12:51 AM
10 hrs ago

He should do ok, everything he'd need is on the plane, and he can play a round of golf-cart golf without oxygen, so the cabin pressure, even if it's a standard airline pressure, shouldn't bother him.

I'm assuming he's got CHF, some medical problems we don't know about, and that while he's slowly declining cognitively, his two main problems are that he does have narcissistic personality disorder, and the other is that he gets constantly rewarded by his followers for his dysfunction. It's on us, the American electorate who put him there twice.

onenote

(46,223 posts)
86. The thing is that none of us "know"
Wed May 13, 2026, 09:08 AM
1 hr ago

Folks have been speculating on Trump's health -- and predicting his imminent demise -- for nearly ten years. Some of the predictions cite doctors who allegedly are experts, such as the one quoting an anonymous (always anonymous) "certified medical professional with 14 years experience" who declared in early December that Trump would be dead in 3-5 months.

PCIntern

(28,563 posts)
87. I don't know anything
Wed May 13, 2026, 09:32 AM
1 hr ago

But I know a progression when I see one.

The Physical therapist you’re referring to has been correct in all regards except timing which is always highly variable. The funny thing is that this guy has good genes, but has insured an early demise by lifestyle.

There may also be a tertiary STD issue here.

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