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Spare a thought for the people of Lebanon (Original Post) malaise 14 hrs ago OP
Israel's punching bag. Sneederbunk 14 hrs ago #1
Beirut was once known as the Paris of the Middle East. OGBuzz 12 hrs ago #13
And a Christian stronghold. Sneederbunk 11 hrs ago #19
I've known people who grew up there and they talk applegrove 1 hr ago #28
DURec leftstreet 14 hrs ago #2
K&R 2naSalit 14 hrs ago #3
Really... LeftInTX 14 hrs ago #4
Yes. LoisB 14 hrs ago #5
One of Iran's 10 points is that Israel stop attacking Lebanon. If they don't stop, the cease fire will collapse. flashman13 13 hrs ago #6
At the moment I posted this, a report came out that the Straits are now closed because Israel continues its flashman13 12 hrs ago #9
Netanyahu got MFer to provide cover for the IDF's Ethnic Cleansing of S. Lebanon. maxsolomon 13 hrs ago #7
Southern Lebanon Bettie 13 hrs ago #8
Isn't the stated reason to provide a buffer from Hezbollah? maxsolomon 12 hrs ago #10
Israel could create the buffer zone on its own land instead of allowing settlers to live on the border. Lonestarblue 12 hrs ago #11
Just saw this and I agree with the poster who Bettie 10 hrs ago #22
That would be too rational. maxsolomon 10 hrs ago #23
Humans are the worst of animals. twodogsbarking 12 hrs ago #12
It's why we have rules and laws and prisons. AloeVera 12 hrs ago #15
Lebanon once was the "Switzerland of the Middle East" Kid Berwyn 12 hrs ago #14
That happens when you only listen to yourselves malaise 12 hrs ago #16
Cervantes grokked before there was a word for it. Kid Berwyn 10 hrs ago #21
"The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page." malaise 10 hrs ago #24
Not just criminals, but genocidal criminals. Scalded Nun 11 hrs ago #17
Yep to fulfill some imaginary pie in the sky BS malaise 10 hrs ago #25
Israel has become the monster Farmer-Rick 11 hrs ago #18
You become what you hate MustLoveBeagles 10 hrs ago #26
Very observant comment Farmer-Rick 7 hrs ago #27
Over 250 killed today muriel_volestrangler 10 hrs ago #20
K&R Scott Alan Swaggerty 50 min ago #29

applegrove

(132,352 posts)
28. I've known people who grew up there and they talk
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 01:34 AM
1 hr ago

of olive groves, skiing (!!!), and the beach before the wars started.

2naSalit

(103,026 posts)
3. K&R
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 12:22 PM
14 hrs ago

I just heard part of a conversation with a Lebanese poli-sci professor and some hack from bibi's country and it was maddening to say the least. Listening to the attitudes of the people of that country piss me off and makes me hope they learn a valuable lesson that will contain them within their borders. If they can't do that, I hope we stop funding their brutality toward their neighbors. They spent decades fomenting these conflicts, they need to learn that it is a plan that can't continue.

LeftInTX

(34,395 posts)
4. Really...
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 12:26 PM
14 hrs ago

I get alot of regional ME stuff in my FB reels feed (esp Lebanon because there are many Armenians living there). Late last year, the country was finally coming back. Around Christmas, the pope visited there and so I got tons of reels. Everything looked like it was looking up. (Like in, "That would be fun to visit".) Everyone wanted that vibrant Lebanon again. Now....

flashman13

(2,436 posts)
6. One of Iran's 10 points is that Israel stop attacking Lebanon. If they don't stop, the cease fire will collapse.
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 01:20 PM
13 hrs ago

Iran will continue bombarding Israel and the Straits will remain closed.

Trump knows he must have this cease fire to get out from under the mess he has created. He won't have much choice. He will have to rein in Bibi. As a side benefit, Congress might be less willing to provide Israel with unlimited military and monetary aid.

flashman13

(2,436 posts)
9. At the moment I posted this, a report came out that the Straits are now closed because Israel continues its
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 01:41 PM
12 hrs ago

attacks on Lebanon. The next move is up to Trump.

maxsolomon

(38,812 posts)
7. Netanyahu got MFer to provide cover for the IDF's Ethnic Cleansing of S. Lebanon.
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 01:21 PM
13 hrs ago

There's no other accurate word for it.

Half a million Shiites forced out of their homes for their religious beliefs. Every bridge over the Litani River destroyed.

America barely noticed because of Trump's circus.

Bettie

(19,745 posts)
8. Southern Lebanon
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 01:30 PM
13 hrs ago

is part of the "greater Israel" that Netanyahu and his supporters want. (You probably already know this)

So, I expect that there will be "settlers" heading there before long, under guard by the IDF of course.

The hard right in Israel has BIG territorial ambitions and they seem to see Trump as their ticket to get what they want.

maxsolomon

(38,812 posts)
10. Isn't the stated reason to provide a buffer from Hezbollah?
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 01:44 PM
12 hrs ago

That North Israel towns would be safe(r) from Hezbollah attacks with Shiites forced north of the Litani.

One wishes the Lebanese Govt was able to assert itself in any way, but they ceded power to Hezbollah long ago.

Lonestarblue

(13,501 posts)
11. Israel could create the buffer zone on its own land instead of allowing settlers to live on the border.
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 02:05 PM
12 hrs ago

The right wing in Israel is even worse than our own MAGA militias and right wing because they are allowed to murder with impunity. I now hate that even one dollar of my tax money supports Israel.

Bettie

(19,745 posts)
22. Just saw this and I agree with the poster who
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 04:08 PM
10 hrs ago

suggested they could make the buffer zone be on their land rather than displacing over a million people by destroying their homes and killing an estimated 1,500 people.

AloeVera

(4,283 posts)
15. It's why we have rules and laws and prisons.
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 02:26 PM
12 hrs ago

Look what happens to a country (or people) allowed to ignore and dismiss laws and norms with impunity. It devolves. Though Israel is further along this trajectory, the U.S. is quickly catching up now.

Kid Berwyn

(24,498 posts)
14. Lebanon once was the "Switzerland of the Middle East"
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 02:21 PM
12 hrs ago

Before the 1975 civil war, Lebanon was a prosperous, cosmopolitan nation. Its government split power with the presidency reserved for a Maronite Christian, the Prime Minister as a Sunni Muslim, and the Parliament Speaker as a Shia Muslim.

Americans in general have little knowledge of history. So, many people I've met are shocked to hear that Arabs can also be of various faiths. Here in Detroit I am good friends with a man who was born in Lebanon, a Roman Catholic, and his wife, a Palestinian who also is RC. FTR, both are outstanding Democrats.

malaise

(296,446 posts)
16. That happens when you only listen to yourselves
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 02:27 PM
12 hrs ago

and ignore history - including your own. In lots of places His Story (and that’s the one most available) has little to do with reality.

Kid Berwyn

(24,498 posts)
21. Cervantes grokked before there was a word for it.
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 04:04 PM
10 hrs ago
"El que lee mucho y anda mucho, ve mucho y sabe mucho."

"He who reads much and walks much, sees much and knows much."

(In the above transliteration, of course, "much" means various shades of lots, depending on how it's used.)



Here's one from Saint Augustine that is pretty direct:

"The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page."

And to your point, what General George S. Patton, Jr. was wont to tell his staff:

"If everybody is thinking alike, then nobody is doing any thinking."

...which is one big reason why Patton was so feared by the NAZIs.

malaise

(296,446 posts)
24. "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page."
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 04:21 PM
10 hrs ago

Some think they travel but never leave the all inclusive 😀

Scalded Nun

(1,699 posts)
17. Not just criminals, but genocidal criminals.
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 02:43 PM
11 hrs ago

This Iran war lets Israel continue its genocidal march through the Arab states.

If only the sparing of a thought could help these people.

What we have unleashed on the world must never be forgotten.

malaise

(296,446 posts)
25. Yep to fulfill some imaginary pie in the sky BS
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 04:25 PM
10 hrs ago

End times which they will hasten with their nukes - we share a planet with lots of lunatics

Farmer-Rick

(12,703 posts)
18. Israel has become the monster
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 02:56 PM
11 hrs ago

It once fought. They are out of control.

Dragging in the stupidest person in the oval office to help murder more people and crush more civilian infrastructure. How far out into Lebanon does Bibi need to create a desert buffer zone? How many more people do they have to murder?

Farmer-Rick

(12,703 posts)
27. Very observant comment
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 06:45 PM
7 hrs ago

I remember this quote from my first year college philosophy class. Friedrich Nietzsche’s warning, "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster".

So true.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,266 posts)
20. Over 250 killed today
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 03:45 PM
10 hrs ago
Israel has carried out its largest attack on Lebanon since its war with Hezbollah began, killing at least 254 people and wounding 837, an assault that prompted Iranian officials to warn Tehran could withdraw from the ceasefire agreed with the US overnight.

Warplanes levelled several buildings in the centre of Beirut, filling the skies with smoke in what Israel’s defence minister said was “a surprise strike” on the pro-Iranian group Hezbollah.

The Lebanese capital was filled with cars crumpled by the blasts and the flaming wreckage of buildings that first responders struggled to extinguish, as Israel bombed more than 100 Hezbollah military sites around the country.
...
Until the wave of airstrikes by Israel across Lebanon on Wednesday, Hezbollah had not announced any attacks against Israel since the ceasefire announcement – a first since the war between it and Israel began on 2 March.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/08/israel-operations-in-lebanon-to-continue-despite-trump-ceasefire-iran-pakistan-hezbollah

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