Trump's mess, what will it take to free up the Strait of Hormuz.

[everyonematters]

Now that Trump has gotten us into the quagmire of Iran, the question that needs to be asked is what is it going to take to open the Strait of Hormuz? Twenty percent of the world's oil flow through it. There is no way to be sure what is going on with any negotiations. We can't trust what Trump says any more than the Iranians. It is obvious that he ignored any advice about it from the generals. The civilian advisors who are gutless, gullible idiots would refuse to challenge him on anything. I think that the Israelis may have bamboozled or extorted him into this. This is now the question that needs to be faced by the American people and the Western world. It may now take at least a minimum number of troops on the ground, even though the original attack was unnecessary.

[David__77]

1. No there's no "need" to further escalate this criminal and immoral war.

Take the loss now or take the loss later.

[everyonematters]

3. Are you saying even it means leaving the Strait of Hormuz in the hands of the Iranians permanently?

[leftstreet]

13. It's looking like it always was

[David__77]

15. It means dealing with Iran as a sovereign state for starters.

Once that happens there’s a whole other conversation one can have.

[Swede]

2. It will be a meat grinder.

Lots of flag covered coffins. Iran will blow up the gulf, sending it back decades.

[everyonematters]

7. Something short of a full-scale invasion, could be an option, such as taking Kharg Island.

[Swede]

10. Kharg Island is 500 miles from the Straight of Hormuz.

That'll be 500 miles inside a shooting gallery.

[D_Master81]

4. Honestly...

I don’t know. Iran doesnt trust any negotiations that come out of Washington at this point so I think it’s a very long drawn out war that will cost hundreds of billions of not trillions until you’ve so decimated Iran that they surrender or just take the L and give in to their demands which we know won’t happen.

[gulliver]

5. The strait is being held hostage

I see the Islamic Republic as equivalent to a misogynistic, homophobic, patriarchal, "fake religious" nut trying to strangle people's livelihoods. I'd like to see the world get together to disempower the Islamic Republic and turn them all over to the people of Iran to be hung from the nearest lamppost. I don't know that will happen, but we should try to get as close to that as possible.

[David__77]

16. The US should deploy Lindsay Graham and Ben Shapiro posthaste. That'll teach them.

[Whip-poor-will]

6. this shit again

Vietnam started with a lie ......just like this lie, it may now take a MINIMUM number of troops on the ground to protect the advisors then some Tonkin incident , then we're full in for the fool.

Had my sign yesterday 7' high " This war is a damn lie " made during first Iraq war still applies

[everyonematters]

9. Then what do we do about the Strait of Hormuz if negations don't work?

[Whip-poor-will]

12. When will they ever learn

Pete Seeger can tell you in..... Waist deep in the big muddy.

[Walleye]

8. His stupid ego got us into this. He has to be constantly "winning".

And he has to have people telling him that all the time, what an insecure little baby we have as president

[Initech]

11. I know, I am so sick of this shit. He is definitely not winning.

But his ass kissing goons won't let him know that.

[Dan]

14. My guts tell me

That Iran is going to come out ahead on this one.
Two million per tanker to transit the strait or $60 Million per month in revenue.
Our president who is dumber than a bag of rocks and can be bought with a gold handkerchief.
Wide card - Bibi prepared to fight to the last American soldier.