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Ocelot II

(129,593 posts)
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 08:15 PM 6 hrs ago

Holy crap, I totally agree with George Will!

For starters, he called this government a "loutocracy." I'm using that!

"Assume this loutocracy’s statements on its deportation mania are lies until proven otherwise."

Minneapolis is today’s Birmingham. Citizens with smartphones are supplementing journalists in gathering facts. It is infuriating, yet grimly sublime, that the current national administration, which will not stop banging on about how it is restoring America’s greatness, is incessantly embarrassing (about Greenland, vaccines and much else). The administration requires an addition to the typologies of government: loutocracy.

For a glimpse of what government of, by and for louts looks like, find on the internet the video, taken by a citizen in Minneapolis, in which a participant in the excitement of a melee — tear gas and other instruments for combating citizens — exclaims: “It’s like ‘Call of Duty’! So cool huh?” “Call of Duty” is a video game, away from which some new agents were perhaps lured by the signing bonuses, some up to $50,000, that have fueled the agency’s breakneck expansion.

Today, it is more than prudent, it is good citizenship to assume that everything ICE says, and everything the administration says in support of its deportation mania, is untrue until proved to be otherwise. Or, as Noem might say, until it has been “adjusted.”

Some administration louts have said that the most recent (as of this writing) person killed in Minneapolis by a federal officer was a “would-be assassin” and, of course, a “domestic terrorist.” Because Republicans control congressional committee gavels, and because today’s president controls congressional Republicans, there will be no oversight of ICE’s rampages. The Senate, which disgraced itself by confirming Noem and others unqualified for Cabinet positions, is especially unlikely to suddenly acquire the inconvenience of a conscience. So, expect more killings, and more political smearing of the victims. That ICE’s disgraces will continue is, in its revolting way, a promise kept: loutocracy.


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Holy crap, I totally agree with George Will! (Original Post) Ocelot II 6 hrs ago OP
I hate it when that happens. ms liberty 5 hrs ago #1
A stopped watch is correct UpInArms 5 hrs ago #2
A blind squirrel will find an acorn now and then. TomSlick 5 hrs ago #5
My favorite expression and so correct in this case chicoescuela 4 hrs ago #16
George Will was NEVER a MAGGOT---- just an 'old-time conservative' Jack Valentino 4 hrs ago #22
I agree with you UpInArms 4 hrs ago #24
Heh, that's a good one---! Jack Valentino 3 hrs ago #27
As someone at The New Republic once put it... regnaD kciN 3 hrs ago #28
but when he steps up to put himself on the righteous side of the history of the 21st century, Jack Valentino 3 hrs ago #31
Kick dalton99a 5 hrs ago #3
He's always done his best to bring about the shitty rule we now have, including the endless lying struggle4progress 5 hrs ago #4
Bullshit. He left the GOP after the 2016 election. He voted for Joe Biden in 20 and Harris in 2024. thebigidea 5 hrs ago #6
He kept pissing on Carter til the end. Nixon, Reagan, and GW Bush were the intellectual authors struggle4progress 4 hrs ago #13
swing ! .... and a MISS .. ! stopdiggin 4 hrs ago #12
I've been reading George Will's bullshit for fifty years struggle4progress 4 hrs ago #21
I didn't say that Will had turned 'liberal' stopdiggin 2 hrs ago #35
Actually he is highlighting that we, general public, are helping to stop it GusBob 4 hrs ago #15
He's been anti-trump since the fiirst reign of the orange anus. progressoid 5 hrs ago #7
They do indeed. niyad 4 hrs ago #9
"loutocracy". . I am so stealing that. niyad 4 hrs ago #8
Fuck George will. He is an unrepentant radical right winger. The fact that he has a few principles left does not change Martin68 4 hrs ago #10
This is all true. However, his statements in this opinion piece are also true. Ocelot II 4 hrs ago #11
I'm not saying he is wrong in this case. In fact, he has occasionally come out with entirely reasonable and non-fascist Martin68 4 hrs ago #17
So what? *In this case* he was right, which was my point in the first place. Ocelot II 4 hrs ago #19
Geezus take what we can get kwolf68 4 hrs ago #14
I expected these remarks. If you post something positive or that you agree with coming from any GOPer, Ocelot II 4 hrs ago #18
When a professed conservative stands up for the ideals which conservatives always USED to claim to support, Jack Valentino 3 hrs ago #26
He had a few good hits with the Venezuela operations also.... reACTIONary 4 hrs ago #20
A sage. Nt gulliver 4 hrs ago #23
The Upsidown - I agreed with Rand Fucking Paul today. I HATE that guy. Maru Kitteh 3 hrs ago #25
"the inconvenience of a conscience" - I like that one too, I haven't heard it before progree 3 hrs ago #29
Kakistocracy bmichaelh 3 hrs ago #30
Nobody has asked if it's AI?1 - happens to me. UTUSN 3 hrs ago #32
In Call of Duty, you don't beat the shit out of unarmed women and kysrsoze 3 hrs ago #33
Minnesota Burning Sam I Yam 2 hrs ago #34
I also agree LetMyPeopleVote 32 min ago #36

Jack Valentino

(4,556 posts)
22. George Will was NEVER a MAGGOT---- just an 'old-time conservative'
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 10:08 PM
4 hrs ago

who never sold his soul to Trump for the sake of Republican electoral victories...

the kind which has become very rare in the Republican side of Congress...

Jack Valentino

(4,556 posts)
27. Heh, that's a good one---!
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 10:33 PM
3 hrs ago

but he wrote on the right side of history in this instance!

(probably will get a bunch of maggot threats for doing so!)

regnaD kciN

(27,521 posts)
28. As someone at The New Republic once put it...
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 10:34 PM
3 hrs ago

…George Will is one of the greatest minds of the 18th century.

Jack Valentino

(4,556 posts)
31. but when he steps up to put himself on the righteous side of the history of the 21st century,
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 10:46 PM
3 hrs ago

I don't believe that is the right moment to bring up all of his 'past sins'....


We can argue about the budget later....


struggle4progress

(125,567 posts)
4. He's always done his best to bring about the shitty rule we now have, including the endless lying
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 08:43 PM
5 hrs ago

Notice he's doing nothing to push back against it: he's just crowing that we can't stop it

thebigidea

(13,562 posts)
6. Bullshit. He left the GOP after the 2016 election. He voted for Joe Biden in 20 and Harris in 2024.
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 09:11 PM
5 hrs ago

He's been writing against Trump for a decade now.

struggle4progress

(125,567 posts)
13. He kept pissing on Carter til the end. Nixon, Reagan, and GW Bush were the intellectual authors
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 09:40 PM
4 hrs ago

of the Trump era -- and Wills strongly supported all three

The theory that the President is an absolute monarch was argued by Nixon before the Court, and folk like Wills did everything they could to make that a reality. The "unitary executive" supporters were pushed onto SCOTUS by Bush

Attacks on the press and on many asylum seekers were hallmarks of the Reagan era -- and so was support for South African racists

We didn't get where we are today just because of Trump. Wills has played a long ugly game. Don't look to him for our strategies

stopdiggin

(15,124 posts)
12. swing ! .... and a MISS .. !
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 09:38 PM
4 hrs ago

especially in characterizing this piece as 'crowing' over the degradation and excess ...

That one - was a big FAT miss.
Just about the farthest thing FROM ... And it fairly plain English ...
(you're not required to be an admirer of George Will .... But .... )

struggle4progress

(125,567 posts)
21. I've been reading George Will's bullshit for fifty years
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 09:53 PM
4 hrs ago

He has followed a fairly predictable conservative playbook

stopdiggin

(15,124 posts)
35. I didn't say that Will had turned 'liberal'
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 11:58 PM
2 hrs ago

What I said was that you had severely mischaracterized this piece.
And particularly with the 'crowing' bit. There simply isn't any of that evident.

GusBob

(8,180 posts)
15. Actually he is highlighting that we, general public, are helping to stop it
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 09:45 PM
4 hrs ago

He is pointing out that Ordinary folks and their smart phones are bringing the truth out

Which is totally in the push back of the endless lying of the current rule

progressoid

(52,708 posts)
7. He's been anti-trump since the fiirst reign of the orange anus.
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 09:19 PM
5 hrs ago

I mis-read that as LOOTocracy!

Both work.

Martin68

(27,228 posts)
10. Fuck George will. He is an unrepentant radical right winger. The fact that he has a few principles left does not change
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 09:33 PM
4 hrs ago

fact that he is one of the people responsible for what has happened to this country. He's always been an elitist, and that is one reason he hates Trump.

Ocelot II

(129,593 posts)
11. This is all true. However, his statements in this opinion piece are also true.
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 09:36 PM
4 hrs ago

He's a pompous dick, but that doesn't mean he's wrong.

Martin68

(27,228 posts)
17. I'm not saying he is wrong in this case. In fact, he has occasionally come out with entirely reasonable and non-fascist
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 09:47 PM
4 hrs ago

columns. But it is a rare column, even when he is criticizing a Republican, that he doesn't sneak in a mean attack on liberalism. He is a phony intellectual, a partisan dialogue, and a nasty person. He has supported without exception or question, every Republican president that led us to our present situation. He hated Roosevelt, JFK, Carter, Gore, Obama, Biden, and Harris.

kwolf68

(8,291 posts)
14. Geezus take what we can get
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 09:41 PM
4 hrs ago

Will's commentary is something I'd like to hear from some of our Dem leadership. Yea he sucks for the most part, but he has this one right. The vitriol against him clouds the words he may be saying to people NOT on the left who can help us fight fascism. No purity tests now, all hands on deck and if George Will says or does anything remotely resembling someone trying to save our nation, I applaud him. We can fight with him about progressive taxation and other issues after we rid ourselves of these fascist maniacs in control.

Ocelot II

(129,593 posts)
18. I expected these remarks. If you post something positive or that you agree with coming from any GOPer,
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 09:48 PM
4 hrs ago

current or former, inevitably there will be a barrage of comments about how much that person sucks, irrespective of the validity or truth of the material at issue. Yes, George Will is a bloviating conservative who has always advocated for positions with which I disagree intensely. And also, George Will wrote an opinion today with which I totally agree. It is entirely possible for these two realities to exist at the same time, and the first is completely irrelevant to the second.

Jack Valentino

(4,556 posts)
26. When a professed conservative stands up for the ideals which conservatives always USED to claim to support,
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 10:29 PM
3 hrs ago

(but too few do nowadays), such as opposition to government tyranny which we now have---
(but from the right instead of the left, which frankly, was the brand of tyranny I always feared
would eventually occur, from the RIGHT wing---),

well, that is worthy of recognition, particularly because they are too few now---
but their ranks are growing!


It doesn't mean we will ever agree with their ideas about the federal budget or whatever---

but at this point in time, support for free speech and democracy and opposition to dictators
seem a little more important to me,
and I welcome the vocal support of any Republicans and conservatives
who always claimed to support these values----

even though their ranks have been sadly diminished by those
who surrendered their political morals in favor of supporting one deeply flawed 'man',
if you can call him that....




Thanks for your post on this.





reACTIONary

(7,009 posts)
20. He had a few good hits with the Venezuela operations also....
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 09:50 PM
4 hrs ago

... I sometimes accidentally read one of his columns when the headline draws me in and I don't look closely at the authorship.

progree

(12,783 posts)
29. "the inconvenience of a conscience" - I like that one too, I haven't heard it before
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 10:43 PM
3 hrs ago
The Senate, which disgraced itself by confirming Noem and others unqualified for Cabinet positions, is especially unlikely to suddenly acquire the inconvenience of a conscience.

bmichaelh

(1,101 posts)
30. Kakistocracy
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 10:44 PM
3 hrs ago

From Wikipedia:

government by the worst, least qualified, or most unscrupulous people.

The word was coined as early as the 17th century[4] and derives from two Greek words, kákistos (κάκιστος, 'worst') and krátos (κράτος, 'rule'), together meaning 'government by the worst people

kysrsoze

(6,417 posts)
33. In Call of Duty, you don't beat the shit out of unarmed women and
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 11:19 PM
3 hrs ago

shoot people in the back. They hired the lowest of lowlifes.

Sam I Yam

(58 posts)
34. Minnesota Burning
Wed Jan 28, 2026, 11:21 PM
2 hrs ago

Sadly, we don't have Hackman and DaFoe on the case, but Donald Fuckup and Kristi NoMind.

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