The ICC must investigate Hegseth and/or Trump. They must prove they don't only target poor countries.

[Anxy]

Duterte, for instance, deserved to be locked up, and the ICC did an excellent job pursuing that case. But if the International Criminal Court truly wants to show that justice applies to everyone, it must also investigate who ordered the strike against the survivors on that Venezuelan boat. If those responsible — whether it’s Hegseth, Trump, or the person who actually pulled the trigger — ever travel abroad, Interpol should issue a red notice for their extradition to The Hague for trial.

The ICC has long faced criticism for focusing too heavily on Africa while sparing more powerful nations, but that seems to be changing now that Netanyahu faces a warrant from them.

And let’s be clear: the soldier who carried out the order isn’t off the hook either. As Slotkin, Kelly, and others have pointed out, soldiers are expected to refuse unlawful commands.

[drray23]

1. You could have saved yourself time

Had you checked that the US does not fall under the ICC juriduction. We never ratified the Rome treaty.
It's regrettable but that's the reality.

[Anxy]

4. But was Israel a signatory of the Rome Treaty when the ICC charged Netanyahu?

I believe not.

[Emrys]

6. According to the ICC, that's not the relevant consideration since Palestine is a signatory:

But obviously, Israel begs to differ:

The ICC has jurisdiction over the situation in Palestine based on Palestine’s 2015 acceptance
and ratification of the Rome Statute, and its referral of the situation to the ICC, including
crimes committed since June 2014.

According to the ICC Pre-Trial Chamber I decision of 21 November 2024, Palestine accepted
the jurisdiction of the ICC on 1 January 2015 under Article 12(3) of the Rome Statute, which
allows a non-member state to accept the Court’s jurisdiction over crimes committed within
its territory. In parallel, Palestine ratified the Rome Statute, becoming a State Party.
The ICC Pre-Trial Chamber I determined in 2021 that it has territorial jurisdiction over the
territory of Palestine, being the Palestinian territory occupied by Israel since 1967
(the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip).

Israel — not a State Party to the Rome Statute — has claimed that the ICC would not have
jurisdiction under Article 19(2) of the Rome Statute, arguing that Palestine does not have the
legal capacity to “delegate” jurisdiction to the ICC, while also asserting that the ICC cannot
exercise jurisdiction over Israeli nationals. However, the ICC rejected Israel’s challenge,
stating that the acceptance of jurisdiction by Israel is not required because the Court’s
jurisdiction is based on territory rather than nationality, and does not imply any “delegation”
from the territorial state, nor any consent from the State of nationality. This means that the
ICC can prosecute crimes committed on the territory of a State Party, even if the person
accused is a national of a non-member state. Jurisdiction in this case is based on where the
crime occurred, Palestine, and not the nationality of the alleged perpetrators.

Israel has also argued that its claim that Palestine is not a state should be enough to invalidate
ICC jurisdiction. However, the ICC also dismissed this argument, stating that it had already
ruled on this matter in 2021, and this decision stands as res judicata—meaning it has already
been adjudicated.

In conclusion, despite Israel’s non-membership of the Rome Statute and its refusal to
recognize the ICC’s jurisdiction, the ICC has based its jurisdiction on
Palestine’s accession to the Rome Statute and the principle of territorial jurisdiction,
affirming its legal authority to investigate and prosecute alleged crimes committed
in Gaza and the West Bank (including East Jerusalem).

https://www.ecchr.eu/fileadmin/Q_As/ECCHR_QA_arrest_warrant_ICC_Netanjahu_Gallant_042025.pdf

I haven't thought about it deeply and IANAL, but the initial impression is that this principle would open up the US and its citizens to charges for acts committed on any signatory nation's territory.

[Anxy]

9. Exactly. Not being a signatory isn't automatic immunity.

It could still be the case that ICC doesn’t have jurisdiction, but because of other reasons such as, if it happened in international Waters. Because if the water belongs to train it out of Venezuela, they have a case period and stuff like that. It’s a complex issue.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

12. Curious as to what you think would happen if Ven. were to bring charges at the ICC

against either Pedonald or Kegsbreath?

[Anxy]

14. I think if it wasn't Venezuela waters, ICC would issue an arrest warrant

Because the ICC prosecutor up there is a tough guy, not afraid of anyone, and I’ve been reading about the importance of where exactly the incident happened and it seems to be very important for jurisdiction.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

15. And just who do you think will actually arrest either Pedonald or Kegsbreath? nt

[Anxy]

17. I don't think it's likely. But the police of a willing state

And I’m not arguing he will be arrested easily. It will b unlikely because most countries are terrified of the United States..

However, it will be more likely if Trump is not president at the time.
But Hegseth out Trump out both should be charged.

Let countries affiliated with ICC embarrass themselves by passing in arrest if they travel to that area.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

21. That I can agree with,

but it's still highly unlikely that either would be arrested, especially Pedonald, Kegsbreath, maybe if they're no longer in power.

[Anxy]

23. Exactly. Nt

[MarineCombatEngineer]

2. The ICC has zero jurisdiction over the US,

we're not signatories to the ICC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court

They can investigate all they want, but in the end, it's a futile gesture.

[Anxy]

5. Was Israel a signatory when an arrest warrant was issued against Netanyahu

I don’t think they were.

[Emrys]

7. See my reply above (both you and the person you were replying to). n/t

[MarineCombatEngineer]

10. Has Nuttyahoo been arrested?

Who do you think would arrest Kegsbreath if the ICC did issue an arrest warrant?
Again, the ICC can investigate all they want, the end results will be the same, zilch.

[Anxy]

13. You initially argued the ICC didn't have jurisdiction

Now your argument has seems to change to “ I bet they won’t arrest them”.

The reason they haven’t arrested him is that he is avoiding travel to areas in which he could be arrested.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

16. The ICC does not have jurisdiction over US matters,

no matter how you try to spin it, the plain simple fact is that.

[Anxy]

19. You have not explained why you think ICC doesn't have jurisdiction in this case

All you said is that the USA is not a signatory, which was disproved by the fact that Israel wasn’t a signatory when Netanyahu was issued an arrest están.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

18. You really think Israeli Security Services would allow a foreign nation to arrest Nuttyahoo?

Or for that matter, if an arrest warrant was issued by the ICC against Pedonald or Kegsbreath, do you really think that the Secret Service and other Protective Details would allow that to happen?
No, they wouldn't and no nation is going to try such a foolish move, it would trigger a diplomatic or military response.
You see, I live in reality, not Fantasy Island.

[Anxy]

22. That's beside the point

Netanyahu has to avoid travel to many countries and the warrant is there. The ICC job is done for now and they did the right thing.

[flvegan]

3. Phase One: Collect Underpants.

[Jose Garcia]

8. Your premise is invalid as Israel is not a poor country

[Anxy]

11. It is valid because I addressed Israel after addressing poor countries.

And I said that was an important step towards addressing the inequality

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. They did issue a warrant for Putin - is Russia a "poor country"?

Russia withdraw from the ICC agreement (when it realised it could be had up), but Ukraine didn't, and since Putin's crimes took place in Ukraine, they investigated and issued the warrant.

If the attacks happen in international waters, it may be harder for the ICC process to start. If Trump and Hegseth attack inside Venezuelan waters or on land, there'll be more of a chance. But Trump will go ballistic at the first sign - he'll seize the money of relatives of court officials, tell Visa and Mastercard to block their transactions, and anything else he can do to fuck up the lives of anyone vaguely associated with people who work at the ICC.

[Anxy]

24. My post concluded ICC is addressing the poor country problem

By charging Netanyahu

[Swede]

25. Anyone convicted by the ICC will have to be careful where they travel.

Any country that signed the ICC will be bound to arrest anyone charged.

Oh, and welcome to DU, Anxy.

[Anxy]

26. Thanks nt