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CentralMass

(16,496 posts)
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 01:37 AM Yesterday

'Something is wrong': MAGA pundits say Trump is 'lying to us' about Charlie Kirk

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"Even though the alleged murderer of Charlie Kirk has been apprehended – and even reportedly confessed in a Discord group chat — that hasn't stopped MAGA pundits from spreading conspiracy theories accusing President Donald Trump's administration of not telling the whole truth.

Bulwark reporter Will Sommer wrote Monday that the MAGA media world was being "pulled apart" by conspiracies questioning the FBI's handling of Kirk's murder. Far-right podcast host Michael Savage suggested over the weekend that alleged killer Tyler Robinson was a patsy, doubting the government's claims that he disassembled the rifle used for the killing before jumping off of a rooftop, only to re-assemble it before abandoning the weapon (a firearms expert told NewsNation that it was indeed possible for the gunman to disassemble the weapon relatively quickly with the help of "after-market accessories.&quot

"Something is wrong with this whole f------ picture," Savage said. "We are not hearing or seeing reality ... We're supposed to believe a guy is on the run after killing Charlie Kirk, and he pauses in the woods to reinstall a barrel. And he leaves it there for us to find, for the FBI to find?"
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'Something is wrong': MAGA pundits say Trump is 'lying to us' about Charlie Kirk (Original Post) CentralMass Yesterday OP
shithole and administration have been lying since the beginning......................... Lovie777 Yesterday #1
I agree. That was pathetic. CentralMass Yesterday #2
They can't make up their mind who they want to blame, Leftists, Transpeople or Israel. tulipsandroses Yesterday #3
They need a minority to blame and hate on JI7 Yesterday #4
Lemme guess, is his cockamamie theory something like "Trump is protecting the Left from blame AZJonnie Yesterday #5
Since when does anyone on the right have to "know" anything to claim some grand conspiracy that only... Ol Janx Spirit Yesterday #9
Well said, friend AZJonnie Yesterday #11
But we're sure not talking about Epstein anymore, are we? nt Trueblue Texan Yesterday #10
Oh yeah, there's that. I was hoping it Cha Yesterday #6
MAGA-world needs to resolve their differences. I suggest they use axes to determine who is Right. nt albacore Yesterday #7
Let the circular firing squad begin. nt Dulcinea Yesterday #8
I hope they all goto Arizona for the lovefeast Johonny Yesterday #12
They have been trained to see a conspiracy behind every major event Prairie Gates Yesterday #13
Maybe they learned something after Butler newdeal2 Yesterday #14
Wow! Candace Owens is big time going after Israel because Charlie was her bestiel womanofthehills Yesterday #15
The spindoctoring is in full force with Dr. Trump in charge. twodogsbarking Yesterday #16

Lovie777

(20,211 posts)
1. shithole and administration have been lying since the beginning.........................
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 01:47 AM
Yesterday

The NFL "moment of silence" during football games was a slap in the face to the USA.

tulipsandroses

(7,925 posts)
3. They can't make up their mind who they want to blame, Leftists, Transpeople or Israel.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:05 AM
Yesterday

I guess it captures all their bigotry. Well at least some of it, they need to find a way throw black folks in the mix. Wait they did, Megyn Kelly blamed Obama.

JI7

(92,623 posts)
4. They need a minority to blame and hate on
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:11 AM
Yesterday

the images of the killer don't make them angry becsuse he is one of them.

AZJonnie

(1,485 posts)
5. Lemme guess, is his cockamamie theory something like "Trump is protecting the Left from blame
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:27 AM
Yesterday

to stop a civil war from breaking out"? Never mind that he fully personally stoked that particular flame before the body was cold, and has not even one time addressed the country and called for calm. Coming from Savage, I could see that being something he could convince his followers was true. They are all extremely suggestible.

Also, how does Savage know that the gun was broken down on the roof, and re-assembled in the woods? Are both facts widely reported at this point?

To his point though I've always thought it was bizarre he tried to take it with him at all, unless it's actually registered to him or a family member. The smart play was to take off and leave it there. But I'm sure he panicked heavily, he's just 22 and not like some trained special forces dude.

Ol Janx Spirit

(400 posts)
9. Since when does anyone on the right have to "know" anything to claim some grand conspiracy that only...
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 10:26 AM
Yesterday

...they can see while the rest of the world is being happily lied to?

In the footage of him jumping off the roof it looks to me like he has the fully assembled rifle in a duffle bag of some kind.
You can see it in the video at the end of this post and decide for yourself.

In the pre-shooting video he appears to only have a backpack, so either it is disassembled there or it was already staged on the roof.

But Savage and those like him do not care about any of that. They found out long ago that there is fame and money in pushing untruths to an audience all-too hungry to adopt them as gospel. And that is a huge part of where we find ourselves in this moment: too many among us want a story; not a truth.

In ancient times a story could serve humanity well by easing the uncertainty of not having the knowledge base at hand to develop a truth. A story was better than nothing, and it could serve as a stand-in for real knowledge to help humans move forward collectively and organize.

But in modern times it seems knowledge is a victim of its own success. People still crave a story. And in a world where knowledge has made so many strides in curing disease, making life easier to live, explaining what once seemed inexplicable, and creating a global community through technology that was once unimaginable, the stories have to get evermore outrageous to be relevant.

Unfortunately, truth is what it is--but a story can be whatever you want it to be. And for too many among us those stories are driving them to participate in our very destruction.

Cha

(314,300 posts)
6. Oh yeah, there's that. I was hoping it
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:27 AM
Yesterday

was about the Fascist Regime Trying to push that it wasn't the Groyers' hated of CK that was Behind the hit.

Hope something explodes with them and makes it really bad for the Terrorists in the FGH.

TY

albacore

(2,713 posts)
7. MAGA-world needs to resolve their differences. I suggest they use axes to determine who is Right. nt
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:16 AM
Yesterday

Johonny

(24,636 posts)
12. I hope they all goto Arizona for the lovefeast
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:49 PM
Yesterday

Memorial. Let them air out their differences while we stay the fuck away from all these nuts.

Prairie Gates

(6,265 posts)
13. They have been trained to see a conspiracy behind every major event
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:49 PM
Yesterday

It is now their only mode of thinking.

This is what happens when you eliminate philosophy departments from universities.

newdeal2

(4,018 posts)
14. Maybe they learned something after Butler
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 12:53 PM
Yesterday

Have we learned any more about that guy? That was even more suspicious.

womanofthehills

(10,374 posts)
15. Wow! Candace Owens is big time going after Israel because Charlie was her bestiel
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 01:33 PM
Yesterday
So we have Candice, Tucker, MTG, Massie, and lots of young Republicans up against the pro Israel conservatives. Have you seen the clips on X of Kirk doing an Israel reversal?? - finally sympathetic to children of Gaza and questioning Israel’s reaction to Oct 7 after yrs of kissing Israel’s butt. Not saying he was changing his mind out of the goodness of his heart but because he spent 13 yrs building up Turning Points and the young kids kept arguing with him about genocide. He had to keep his followers happy by presenting both sides.

When Candace was young, Charlie hired her and they were together every day traveling around US & even went to Israel together. She posted tons of photos of them together- fishing, singing etc. Sounds like they still spoke regularly.

He was Israel’s guy with tons of money from Israel backers and SUDDENLY he brings anti genocide speakers to his huge Turning Points event in Tampa in July. So - at Turning Points, we have Republican youth clapping the loudest for the Jewish Libertarian anti genocide Dave Smith - not for the pro Israel Doug Hammer.
Many said Republican youth in polls were now anti genocide so Charlie had to give both sides to appease the kids. Israel lost it and offered big bucks to Charlie which he refused.

Huge break in Reputation party. Now Sam Altman is being accused of threatening Charlie. It’s all bad as now the a** hole Trump is saying he thinks the people who yelled free Palestine at him when he was in a restaurant need to be found and jailed.

Now being reported that Gen X are the biggest believers that Israel killed Kirk. Republicans attacking Republicans big time over this and no one has any confidence in FBI under Kash Patel.

Through all this - Trump is just tweeting to us how wonderful he (Trump is) and how he wants to lock up more Americans. We are screwed. On top of all this Candace has to tell us she is not suicidal - along with Anna Kasparian & Kim Iverson, Tucker etc. Sad when everyone thinks they are next to be killed. Candice produced an email of a threat to her by Owen Barsky. When discussing Charlie he tweeted to her -“Your time will come”

Both parties are being divided by the by the genocide and I’m happy to live in NM with 2 wonderful anti- genocide senators - Martin Heinrich and Ben Ray Lujan. Both voted against more bombs to kill Gaza kids. Love my senators and we have one oh the best governors too - free college and free Albuquerque buses.
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