Are the Groypers so far right that sometimes they sound like far leftists?

[Justice Brandeis]

Forgive me here because I don't know much about the Groypers, but there can be a point at which you are so far right that you start to resemble the far left. Vice versa too, that you can be so far left that you start to sound like the far right. Anti-Semitism is a good example of this phenomenon.

[John1956PA]

1. Ultra extremism can make strange bedfellows.

[DFW]

36. It can indeed.

“Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas?” — Stalin

"The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything"--Stalin

“Education is a weapon, the effect of which is determined by the hands which wield it, by who is to be struck down.”—Stalin

“"Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed"—Stalin

"The idea of a concentration camp is excellent"—Stalin

"Gratitude is a sickness suffered by dogs"—Stalin

“The history of all countries shows that the working class exclusively by its own effort is able to develop only trade-union consciousness.”—Lenin

“A lie told often enough becomes the truth.”—Lenin

“One man with a gun can control 100 without one.”—Lenin

“It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.”—Lenin

“When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.”—P.J. O’Rourke

“It is rotten and dismal that a world of so many hundred million people should be ruled by a single caste that has the power to lead millions to life or to death, indeed on a whim...This caste has spun its web over the entire earth; capitalism recognizes no national boundaries...Capitalism has learned nothing from recent events and wants to learn nothing, because it places its own interests ahead of those of the other millions.”—Göbbels

“Hypocrisy is the characteristic feature of the dying bourgeois epoch”—Göbbels

“To be a socialist means to let the ego serve the neighbour, to sacrifice the self for the whole. In its deepest sense socialism equals service. The individual refrains and the commonwealth demands.”—Göbbels

“Life is worth living. It's not true, what the tired and reactionary say. We're not on this earth to suffer and die. We're here to fulfill a mission.”—Göbbels

“It is the State which educates its citizens in civic virtue, gives them a consciousness of their mission and welds them into unity.”
― Benito Mussolini

[Skittles]

2. what exactly IS "far left"

people who want healthcare for all and everyone treated like human beings?

[leftstreet]

3. Can you post some far left quotes?

then we could compare

[marybourg]

4. "From the river to the sea". " Down with the pigs"

[leftstreet]

5. Anarco syndalists say that? Communists?

uh, Animal Liberation Front?

I had no idea

[vanlassie]

25. "Down with the pigs?"

[Ocelot II]

7. I consider the "far left" to be those who are true extremists -

the ones who are off-the-charts communists, e.g., the old USSR or the current North Korea, not any American leftists that I know of, unless there are still a few remnants of the old SDS and the like left over from the '60s (I knew some of those guys in those days, and they really were pretty extreme).

[LeftInTX]

8. Party for Socialism and Liberation are out there. Along with some anarchists and Black Bloc

[Ocelot II]

6. The extremes of both sides can come full circle and result in totalitarianism.

The left-wing extremism of the Bolsheviks after the Russian Revolution eventually led to the totalitarian USSR under Stalin. North Korea is still doing it, maybe even more than the USSR. The right-wing extremism of the Nazis and Italian fascists during WWII became totalitarian as well. When an ideology becomes extreme in either direction it's hard to get enough people to go along with it for it to become a state's governing principle unless it's enforced by outlawing and punishing dissent.

[Gaugamela]

9. It's hard to get more far right than Netanyahu and genocide. I don't know anyone on the left

who advocates either. The “radical left” wants to welcome everyone into the social contract; the radical right wants to remake society in their own image and kill anyone who doesn’t like it.

The horseshoe cliche is bs.

[Ocelot II]

10. There is a radical left in the US, but it's small and inconsequential and none are violent,

at least any more. During the '60s and '70s there were some fringe groups like the SLA that did commit acts of violence.

[Gaugamela]

12. Of course, I'm well aware of the SLS and the Weather Underground, but they dissolved

some 50 years ago. There are no active militant leftist movements today. There’s always going to be a few people with unusual or eccentric leftist views (communism, anarchism), but they are not currently a movement, and in a democracy the only truly radical act is to overthrow the prevailing order through violence or coercion, which is what we’re seeing on the right.

Anyway, the whole point of the OP looks to me like he’s trying to sneak a pro-Israel position in through the back door.

[AllyCat]

11. I remember as a college student dating a poli. sci. major

I made the comment that the political spectrum seemed more circular to me than linear.

He did not agree.

But I find your comment familiar to me.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

24. I'm not a poli sci, but politics is at least two-dimensional and probably more

Fiscal policy and social policy (rights, crime) form four quadrants on a plane.

Fiscal conservatives, socially conservative: RepubliCons, faux libertarians

Fiscal liberals, socially conservative: classic southern Democrats, National Socialist party of prewar Germany, most communisms

Fiscal liberals, socially liberal: most Democrats, some communisms

Fiscal conservatives, socially liberal: true libertarians

The extreme edges and corners of any quadrant is basically authoritarian and totalitarian.

[AllyCat]

37. Makes sense too. It definitely doesn't seem linear to me

But we always hear left and right.

[Mosby]

13. I think a lot of the resemblance is superficial

They can share some characteristics like coercion for example but are still quite different.

Compare these statements:

The problem is, there is zero advantage to marriage in the Western world for a man, if you use your mind, if you use your head instead of your heart, and you look at the advantages to getting married, there are absolutely none. Andrew Tate

"Having children is more important than having a good career. And I would also tell young ladies, you can always go back to your career later, that there is a window where you primarily should pursue marriage and having children, and that is a beautiful thing,” Charlie Kirk

"In addition to the abolition of family policing [government-run child protective services], we argue for abolition of the family in general and say that the institution of the family acts as part of the carceral system in that it reinforces children as property". Olivia Katbi

"The only real difference between marriage and prostitution is the price and the duration of the contract". Emily Janakiram

[Justice Brandeis]

17. The far left and far right would agree that "government-run child protective services" should be abolished

So there is some overlap there, and many differences too.

[muriel_volestrangler]

35. Not sure if you understand what "far left" is, then

No, the far left want government-run child protective services. They want government-run everything.

[Justice Brandeis]

18. Raw milk is also very popular on the far left and far right

Same with anti-vaxxerism.

[Torchlight]

33. Sounds serious

Good luck

[WarGamer]

14. 40 years ago a Professor of mine said...

Political alignment is like a belt around you waist.

The buckle is front and center... the pockets are right and left, the hips are the extremes and both extremes meet at the back... like Stalin and Hitler in WW2.

[markodochartaigh]

15. Right and left ideologies

consist of economic and of political components. The economic and political components do not necessarily relate to each other, i.e. you can be extreme right or extreme left and think that all citizens should get health care.

In the US there is effectively no extreme economic left. When the extreme right says extreme economic left they are referring to people and ideologies that would have been considered moderate fifty years ago.

It is also necessary to state that there are economic components to ideologies as well as
social components. In the US social and economic components are usually bundled together. This muddies the waters, but it is useful to our oiligarchs who want to lead us around with social issues which, while important to us in the hoi-polloi, most of our oiligarchs don't really care about. They keep us distracted and divided by a few dozen trans athletes so that we don't agitate for health care and job rights for all.

Over the last century social components in the US have generally moved left while economic components have moved right since about 1980.
In societies such as Russia and China the left wing economic movements were generally socially authoritarian politically since their societies had long histories of authoritarianism. The US had a large measure of anti-authoritarianism after the English king was overthrown. The anti-authoritarianism became stronger and stronger here after the plantation system was overthrown and as various groups, non-landowners, women, Asians, Native Americans were enabled to vote and to participate politically.

In other words, the authoritarianism has nothing to do with whether right or left wing views on economic issues or social issues are espoused. There is both right-wing and left-wing authoritarianism and either of those can espouse any social or economic view on the spectrum. Social views being the rights of minorities or of individuals.

In maga we have both extreme right wing economic and social ideologies, with authoritarianism.

[KentuckyWoman]

16. To a MAGA - the far left is Obama's tan suit.

It's just skeery words they can fling around to justify behaving like thugs. None of anything being said is based in fact. Not even "alternative facts". They just decide on a narrative and the media pushes it for them.

[Locutusofborg]

19. No they are not

Groypers are not so far right that they can sound like leftists. Groypers intentionally use progressive terminology to confuse and obfuscate their messages.
Groypers want non-Gropyers to be confused about what is really being said. Its like their own internal code. You have to be a Groyper to be able to interpret the true meaning.
Much of Groyper code language is based on violent video game memes and expressions.

[RedWhiteBlueIsRacist]

20. They's just too lovey-dovey with their white skin. And Fuentes, sheesh dude, you're sounding a little like Jim Jones!

[BigmanPigman]

21. Neither did I until today...watch this explanation, makes a lot of sense!!!

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[JI7]

22. The anti Israel and anti Jewish thing and conspiracy theories

is common among them.

[Blasphemer]

23. I think of it as "extreme right" and "fringe left"

The fringe left and extreme right started converging around libertarianism (anti-vax, distrust of government, etc.). However, now that the extreme right is embracing authoritarianism, I suspect things will reverse course.

[Lovie777]

26. Hell no.......................

[underpants]

27. No. They've co-opted "Antifa" and call people "Nazi" as an ironic projection and groupthink

All in one.

They think it’s clever or something

[regnaD kciN]

29. I think the issue is meme culture...

Basically, the Groypers share a characteristic with lots of young people today: the sense that they are permanently behind the 8-ball, that their lives are going to be crap, and that no one can change that. That leads to a dark nihilism, where the only response is to commiserate via irony and cultural in-references. That leads to messages where, to the outside world, something that seems far left might be far right, or vice versa, but oftentimes is just impenetrable.

[ZDU]

30. Insightful

While I am not an X fan. I found this incredibly helpful:

Link to tweet

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[no_hypocrisy]

31. MINO MAGA In Name Only

[GreenWave]

32. Sounds like some stay the course yargle bargle.

Wake me up when the far right starts clamoring non-stop for workers' rights.

[marble falls]

34. Fuck no.

[B.See]

38. Agree. Smells somewhat of

bothsiderism claptrap to me.