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(92,570 posts)
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 03:47 PM Monday

Is he trying to botch the prosecution?

...what FBI director makes statements like this about ongoing investigations and prosecutions??

Kash Patel: My job as FBI Director is not to speak to motivate, it is to speak to the facts and that's what I'm going to do. His family has told investigators that he subscribed to leftwing ideology and even more so in these last couple of years... I'm committed to transparency and that's what I'm doing here today.
https://nypost.com/2025/09/15/us-news/dna-found-at-spot-where-charlie-kirks-assassin-hid-positively-matched-to-suspect-tyler-robinson-fbi/


Even more so, what is the legal significance of what his ideology was to prosecuting any shooter?

Patel is making broad-based characterizations of 'leftwing idology' (whatever that is), and basically equating what has been an anti-gun advocacy culture on the left with whatever the shooter chose to do.

Moreover, the director of the FBI is pushing the counter-legal argument that there's something other than the shooter's own responsibility for pulling the trigger at issue here. That's antithetical to the prosecution of the suspect, and reminiscent of the excuses offered up by countless Jan. defendants which were rejected as a defense of their criminality in courtroom after courtroom.

What's the actual legal purpose in meting out blame to people or groups with no connection at all to the crime? It's more than a misnomer; it's directing threats and violence that this FBI director is well aware of from conservatives and other supporters of Kirk onto a community of millions of Americans who don't even know who Charlie Kirk is, or, more importantly, don't know the shooter.

That's the only legal relevance of what this person' ideology may have been, or who a college kid shares rent with on a room: what their direct connection was to this crime.

FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino made even more specious claims about the motivation of the killer when he cited what are essentially rumors and second-hand speculation from people who claim to know the shooter...

“There were people in his network, friends and family who had stated that he had become more political, that he had become at some parts, as I believe some of his co-workers had stated, that he had kind of detached himself when the topic of politics came up and walked away from them​.”


This is a political and social neanderthal's characterization of political intent and belief which has zero substantive facts which relate to the prosecution. There's nothing unusual about a young man coming of age becoming more politically aware and active; and nothing strange about not wanting to talk politics with someone or the other.

But what we're getting from the FBI is what sounds like something off of a maga website with transcripts of a Steve Bannon radio show.

Its like they're performing witchcraft with the "aggressive interview posture at the FBI" Patel describes with which he says was used to decipher the contents of a 'destroyed note" that supposedly tells all about the political accusations he's opportunistically directed at the 'leftwing' of the Democratic party; just a coincidence for this political bombthrower who was basically a conspiracy-mongerer for clicks and donations on the internet and youtube before he took over the nation's premier law enforcement agency.

So, how do you get a successful prosecution when the FBI directors are publicly smearing the defendant at every public opportunity? Do they really want one?

Or is this primarily a political exercise of law enforcement for Patel?
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regnaD kciN

(27,275 posts)
3. They don't care about the prosecution...
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 03:55 PM
Monday

What they want is a narrative that will justify rounding up transgender Americans and sending them to camps for a “final solution.”

Diraven

(1,584 posts)
5. Totally agree I'm with this
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 04:00 PM
Monday

They couldn't care less about the prosecution of this crime. They'll happily throw the state prosecutors under the bus if they can twist the narrative to further their fascist interests.

Ocelot II

(127,269 posts)
4. There is no reason to bring political motivation into this prosecution,
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 03:57 PM
Monday

since the all that is needed to prove the case against the defendant is proof that he killed Kirk with intent. The prosecution does not have to present any motive at all. Motive is often important when investigating a murder where the perp is unknown - why would any particular person have wanted to kill the victim - but once it's clear who killed the victim, knowing why becomes unimportant when prosecuting the case. All they need to prove is that the defendant intentionally killed the victim. Patel, whose Keystone Kop FBI had very little to do with identifying or locating Robinson, is trying to make himself look important, or at least useful, after his initial fuckup of detaining someone and announcing to the world that they had caught the suspect, then having to release him when it was clear he wasn't involved, and then doing it again. And he wants an excuse to make the case a political cudgel against liberals and trans people. But Patel can just fuck all the way off, because this is a state case, not a federal one, and so far they haven't established any basis for federal jurisdiction.

Diraven

(1,584 posts)
6. But if they tell enough provable lies
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 04:04 PM
Monday

The defense could argue they've tainted the jury pool

Crunchy Frog

(28,047 posts)
14. They won't just be putting the killer on trial. They're going to put half the country on trial.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 06:25 PM
Monday

They're likely to be able to do whatever they want with it, because there really isn't anyone who can stop them.

Lovie777

(20,301 posts)
7. None of them are not very bright.................
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 04:04 PM
Monday

their logic is gaslighting. Stephen Racist Miller and Ugly Barbie Doll both mentioned that Kirk gave them good advise before his demise. shithole and Gov. Cox continuously blaming the left although the shooter came from a very red republican atmosphere.

GQPs are threatening free speech, and in Texas they arrest a young lady who did a negative video of Kirk. NFL silence moment at games with huge video of Kirk.

Corporate media both written and oral are firing journalist, and people are losing their jobs.

Americans in general are not happy campers and will still do what they want.

The GQP are terrorizing the USA.

The chaos is within the GQP. We the People are trying to survive the economy and the RW/GQP violent rhetoric.

everyonematters

(3,927 posts)
8. I can see where there is possibility the shooters lawyer will claim that he can no longer get a fair trial.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 04:11 PM
Monday

The judge will probably give Patel a tongue lashing and issue a gag order.

travelingthrulife

(3,291 posts)
10. Would not surprise me one bit if Trump and Miller decided to take Kirk out.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 04:46 PM
Monday

They needed to goad the MAGA nutcases to want to go out and kill liberals. So kill one of their heroes and tell them a liberal did it despite ALL evidence to the contrary. MAGA will believe whatever 'evidence against liberals is constructed. Kirk was pushing to release the Epstein files so it also sent the message to zip their lips on Epstein.

Crunchy Frog

(28,047 posts)
11. They're not building a case, they're crafting a narrative.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 06:20 PM
Monday

My expectation is that we'll end up with something about as accurate and informative as a Stalinist show trial.

EdmondDantes_

(926 posts)
15. You give him too much credit for thinking
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 06:42 PM
Monday

Like pretty much everyone in the Trump administration, Patel is an utterly unqualified idiot who got the job because he sucked up to Trump. There's nothing approaching strategy in what most of these people do because the only about making Trump happy not doing the job they are in.

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