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still-prayin4rain

(498 posts)
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:46 AM Monday

Welp, Kash Patel found a "destroyed note" that explained that the shooter did this because of leftist ideology.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/inside-tyler-robinson-s-destroyed-note-left-before-charlie-kirk-s-shooting-i-m-going-to/ar-AA1MA7W1

"According to Patel, the note read, “I have the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it." On Monday morning, the FBI director told Fox News that the note was “written before the shooting,” and was at the suspect's home.”

Regarding Robinson's note, Patel added, “We have since learned the note - even though it was destroyed - we have found forensic evidence of the note and we have confirmed what the note said because our aggressive interview posture at the FBI," as reported by Daily Mail."


Apparently, the suspect wrote it and then destroyed it, but then the FBI was able to un-destroy it through aggressive interviewing techniques. As you might suspect, it confirmed that this was the fault of the entire left because they criticize Trump. The FBI is still confirming what other things the destroyed note said and will continue to release the terrible things it learns about how "the left" caused this as they continue to un-destroy the note in the coming weeks.

ON EDIT: I think this is apparent to most, but the title and last paragraph are sarcastic commentary. The two paragraphs that are quoted are real, direct quotes from Kash Patel said in an interview with Fox "News" relating to the 'destroyed' note.
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Welp, Kash Patel found a "destroyed note" that explained that the shooter did this because of leftist ideology. (Original Post) still-prayin4rain Monday OP
The note disappeared just like the trumpstein files Clouds Passing Monday #1
Oh, yes! I forgot that part. The suspect also destroyed all of the Epstein files. The FBI was unable to un-destroy those still-prayin4rain Monday #3
The Epstein files were NOT destroyed and have NOT gone away as an issue. Bernardo de La Paz Monday #7
The trumpstein files have been replaced by kirk in the MSM, that is the intent of my statement. Clouds Passing Monday #20
If you don't want to be misunderstood, then write clearly & don't get upset if you are misunderstood Bernardo de La Paz Monday #23
I was speaking jokingly Clouds Passing Monday #26
That was clear with your initial post Dave says Monday #55
Welp, there are the ones who can laugh... ananda Monday #56
I thought they were being quite clear.... Quanto Magnus Monday #93
Seems like they largely have gone away quakerboy Monday #81
Sounds serious Torchlight Monday #96
Most of us think the USofA is in serious trouble. Good luck to you. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Monday #101
Defense attorneys everywhere are salivating about *that* cross-examination Prairie Gates Monday #2
More like prosecutors are lining up to utilize this new standard of Federally acceptable evidence... ECL213 Monday #97
it was written in Sanskrit onethatcares Monday #4
Did it mention Valhalla? LeftInTX Monday #52
Voila! Another mystery solved! yardwork Monday #99
They are desperately trying to paint him as "leftist" Walleye Monday #5
He had a scholarship but could only cope with a single university term. Hardly "radicalized" by university Bernardo de La Paz Monday #10
They want us to believe that this guy who was raised in a Republican family Walleye Monday #12
Spot on re vagueness (lack of facts) & they don't do nuance, lie, have Dunnings-Kruger & have confirmation bias. nt Bernardo de La Paz Monday #21
Dunning-Kruger dpibel Monday #36
Thanks. . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Monday #38
Thank JoseBalow Monday #125
thx Bernardo de La Paz Monday #126
I personally think he had a gaming addiction. Happened to my son with a scholarship. First semester. LeftInTX Monday #44
I wish my daughter had taken away Tree Lady Monday #89
Kids like that in my family too. yardwork Monday #106
It's sad. We couldn't get much help for our son. This was at the end of 2011. LeftInTX Yesterday #132
The problem is, markodochartaigh Monday #13
Which is why I believe right and left are artificial designations that don't apply Walleye Monday #18
Certainly today in the US markodochartaigh Monday #24
Politics is at least two-dimensional, not linear, and probably has more identifiable dimensions Bernardo de La Paz Monday #28
The Senator from Utah (GOP) said, let's just call them "radicals", Not right or left radicals. LeftInTX Monday #50
The problem is that he may see only MAGA as not radical karynnj Monday #63
The guy is still alive. He will eventually tell us what he was thinking I believe. Walleye Monday #71
I'm sure his lawyer is telling him to keep quiet. A plea deal is possible, but not probable. LeftInTX Monday #115
Yes, I would think he would try to avoid the death penalty. He's only 22. Walleye Monday #117
Plea deals are up to the prosecution, not the defendant. LeftInTX Monday #118
Unless there's something like a quid pro quo to avoid the death penalty by playing along with the narrative. Crunchy Frog Yesterday #134
also, they are simple-minded folks, so anyone against them are automatically leftists LymphocyteLover Monday #111
It's true I think you put your finger right on it there Walleye Yesterday #136
He killed a right wing person. returnee Yesterday #140
"Our aggressive interview posture at the FBI"? What does that mean? Ocelot II Monday #6
Waterboarding, I thought the same thing Walleye Monday #15
That stood out to me too TommyT139 Monday #66
'weaselly little Patel who always looks like he's being goosed' DET Monday #122
"aggressive interview posture" JoseBalow Monday #127
Apparently It Means RobinA Monday #129
They can undestroy a note Norbert Monday #8
They learn that in the Spells and Potions class at Quantico. Slitherin is the best at it. Scrivener7 Monday #14
Keep in mind the source, especially when they're known for promoting propaganda. sl8 Monday #9
Yes, good point. But in this case, it is true -- Kash Patel did literally say the things quoted. still-prayin4rain Monday #19
Hindustan times left center biased? Is that a joke? Wiz Imp Monday #92
I was wondering about that, too. sl8 Monday #110
Moved post. nt sl8 Monday #100
Patel hired a travelling preacher who raised it from the dead.. Ping Tung Monday #11
Patel: "We have confirmed what the note said because our aggressive interview posture at the FBI." sop Monday #16
"Oh, and Trump definitely does not have a small penis." flvegan Monday #17
Many people are saying the destroyed notes specifically mentioned Trump's penis dalton99a Monday #22
Umm: 17 responses to date and not one is questioning wtf the 'leftist' ideology in that note hlthe2b Monday #25
I guess that's because nobody believes it? Ocelot II Monday #34
Ah, the fine art of un-destroying destroyed notes. still-prayin4rain Monday #42
They must have hired Will Ferrell's daughter for the interrogation Ray Bruns Monday #76
Thank you!! Haven't laughed that much in a looooonnnngggg time. cornball 24 Monday #120
Reading through thinking the same thought karynnj Monday #64
I believe their evidence of being " leftist" is he didn't like Kirk. Wiz Imp Monday #95
Seems like that's a question for Patel and the governor. yardwork Monday #102
Yes. but, we are here discussing Patel's assertion, yet no comment/question/discussion of that? hlthe2b Monday #104
Speaking for myself, I honestly have no idea of the shooter's ideology. yardwork Monday #108
I read a few articles about it, but the articles didn't mention anything other than he was planning to kill Kirk LeftInTX Monday #116
Kash Patel can't find his own butt with both hands & GPS. Dulcinea Monday #27
Look, they found a destroyed note that they un-destroyed (but you can't see the un-destroyed note without special FBI still-prayin4rain Monday #30
He probably wrote it. OLDMDDEM Monday #29
Thank God for Carnac! sheshe2 Monday #31
The note was in a mayonnaise jar left on Funk & Wagnalls' porch since noon today-n/t lapfog_1 Monday #61
Oh my word, I was just thinking that very line yesterday. Absolutely niyad Monday #70
Wow! peggysue2 Monday #32
The destroyed note is on its way to becoming a manifesto fargone Monday #33
Liar Eliot Rosewater Monday #35
Aggressive interviewing techniques? As in torture? miyazaki Monday #37
See #34. Ocelot II Monday #41
Ah so. Well back in medieval times they called it miyazaki Monday #46
The shooter is still alive and can explain himself Qutzupalotl Monday #39
Like Maxwell, the suspects life (and everything else) is in their hands, so I am not sure how motivated he will be to still-prayin4rain Monday #43
I think they will seek the death penalty no matter what. Qutzupalotl Monday #45
I see your point and hope you're right, but they have the power to make his life hell in the meantime still-prayin4rain Monday #49
Nah. They'll claim he was a victim of "left wing" indoctrination and that he should receive leniency. Crunchy Frog Yesterday #135
He will be tried in state court. LeftInTX Monday #57
Utah being the state, right? Do you think Utah state officials would not be agreeable to a certain narrative? still-prayin4rain Monday #58
I don't think they will get into motive. LeftInTX Monday #60
Um, OK ... interesting theory. I guess we'll see. still-prayin4rain Monday #65
He misspoke.. Moostache Monday #40
They'll eventually tell us he said everything which best validates their narrative Torchlight Monday #47
did he pull the note out of a pumpkin? DBoon Monday #48
I don't trust Patel. Hindustan Times regurgitates RW rags. LeftInTX Monday #51
It sounds like a whole lot of bullshit. spanone Monday #53
Where are the Epstein Files? Attilatheblond Monday #54
Show us the note Kash. Botany Monday #59
Punk was reared in a Christo-Magat household. MAGA-ism put that round through Kirk's neck. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Monday #62
Mixing religion and politics. Oy... calimary Monday #73
Sigh - they know it's true, because it was written in Sharpie! maxrandb Monday #67
Did the dog eat the note? Solly Mack Monday #68
Kash used his secret decoder ring. The note said, "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine". 2MuchNoise Monday #69
Why don't you seperate your sacasm from the 2 paragraphs that you Autumn Monday #72
I'm sorry you felt confused. I think the ON EDIT note explains it quite well (for the few who had any doubt). still-prayin4rain Monday #79
Blatant bullshit JoseBalow Monday #74
In a real world Patel would have been fired by now rurallib Monday #75
In a sane world, he never would have been confirmed Wiz Imp Monday #105
Total nonsense, they can't come up with anything remotely plausible. Dave Bowman Monday #77
The linked article doesn't say anything about "leftist ideology" IronLionZion Monday #78
Oh wow, I just replied to someone that the ON EDIT note along with the "Welp" made it clear that the headline was still-prayin4rain Monday #80
Better separation of the article text and your text is needed IronLionZion Monday #83
So, I thought in the General Discussion forum we discussed topics and ideas more generally and in LBN we stuck to still-prayin4rain Monday #86
I caught what you meant in the title. I am sick of . . . John1956PA Monday #87
Oh shew, thanks! Yes, the whole cabinet of influencers and hanger-ons ready for marching orders. still-prayin4rain Monday #90
Where's the evidence of leftist ideology? EnergizedLib Monday #82
That was my question. dflprincess Monday #85
Late this morning, FBI Co-Deputy Director Bongino mentioned the word "obsession." John1956PA Monday #84
In the contest for least credibility ever Janbdwl72 Monday #88
Kick. N/T Upthevibe Monday #91
BS, he came from a right-wing republican family, Emile Monday #94
Yep. All their "found" are fabricated. All their fabricated are found. ancianita Monday #98
they tortured the note barbtries Monday #103
In the immortal words of the members of Delta Tau Chi CentralMass Monday #107
"I have the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it." Mblaze Monday #109
How Does "Aggressive Interview Posture" Differ From Torture DallasNE Monday #112
the OLD DESTROYED NOTE trick! LymphocyteLover Monday #113
It was more personal than political AncientOfDays Monday #114
Well, to me, Patel just proved how FN DUMB he knows his base is. bluestarone Monday #119
Wow they're desperate to drag a trans person into their narrative. Ritabert Monday #121
The Hindustan Times is a terrible source Celerity Monday #123
Other sources are saying a note is involved, but it's as vague as Hindustan Times. LeftInTX Yesterday #131
As for me . . . RedArkGuy Monday #124
So he's funny-looking, AND he's stupid? Iggo Monday #128
Has anyone told the promoted podcaster Ruby the Liberal Monday #130
20 years ago this could have made a really good near future, dystopic, comedy movie. Crunchy Frog Yesterday #133
What the hell is in that drinking water? tavernier Yesterday #137
Kash Patel had swallowed the note, but analysts oasis Yesterday #138
How Convenient spanone Yesterday #139
I am guessing, but I think the roommate destroyed the note which TR instructed him to find under the keyboard. John1956PA Yesterday #141
Shenanigans!! DiverDave 21 hrs ago #142

still-prayin4rain

(498 posts)
3. Oh, yes! I forgot that part. The suspect also destroyed all of the Epstein files. The FBI was unable to un-destroy those
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:49 AM
Monday

Bernardo de La Paz

(58,334 posts)
7. The Epstein files were NOT destroyed and have NOT gone away as an issue.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:50 AM
Monday

Eschew binary thinking. It is incredibly limiting and misdirecting. Binary thinking plays the maga game for them.

Clouds Passing

(5,780 posts)
20. The trumpstein files have been replaced by kirk in the MSM, that is the intent of my statement.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:58 AM
Monday

I did not literally mean that the files literally disappeared. Don’t accuse me of things which are not true

Bernardo de La Paz

(58,334 posts)
23. If you don't want to be misunderstood, then write clearly & don't get upset if you are misunderstood
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:05 AM
Monday

Thank you for clarifying. We all get misunderstood from time to time, so clarify.

The only thing I accused you of (perhaps) was binary thinking (all or nothing thinking) as revealed by what you wrote. That was all we have to go on. I'll accept that was not the case in this instance, so, fine, you were not binary thinking in this instance.

Dave says

(5,237 posts)
55. That was clear with your initial post
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:05 PM
Monday

It was clear you were joking. Maybe always add a sarcasm emoji to ward of misreading?

ananda

(33,133 posts)
56. Welp, there are the ones who can laugh...
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:06 PM
Monday

and the ones who can't.

In this world now, I really sympathize with the ones
who can't.

However, my funny bone aint goin' nowhere.

quakerboy

(14,538 posts)
81. Seems like they largely have gone away
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:55 PM
Monday

Even here on DU, i dont see them on any of the top headlines, and havnt for days.

Prairie Gates

(6,265 posts)
2. Defense attorneys everywhere are salivating about *that* cross-examination
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:49 AM
Monday


The destroyed note.

It's kind of like the purloined letter, but infinitely stupider.

ECL213

(409 posts)
97. More like prosecutors are lining up to utilize this new standard of Federally acceptable evidence...
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:30 PM
Monday

we are in the Upside-Down, my friend.

Walleye

(42,449 posts)
5. They are desperately trying to paint him as "leftist"
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:50 AM
Monday

I guess just to vindicate those who went off on us after the killing. The young man was born and raised in Utah went to Utah State University. He is not ever been a “leftist“. I think there are only two sides now not right and left, but maga and anti-Maga

Bernardo de La Paz

(58,334 posts)
10. He had a scholarship but could only cope with a single university term. Hardly "radicalized" by university
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:52 AM
Monday

Their false narrative is constructed in the hopes of advancing a bogus authoritarian crackdown for which there are already tentative steps.

Walleye

(42,449 posts)
12. They want us to believe that this guy who was raised in a Republican family
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:54 AM
Monday

Was so radicalized in a couple of years that he was willing to commit murder for “the left”, I’m not even sure who they’re talking about. Let’s see a manifesto or something. Fucking people are so vague all the time, that’s how they get people to believe them.

Bernardo de La Paz

(58,334 posts)
21. Spot on re vagueness (lack of facts) & they don't do nuance, lie, have Dunnings-Kruger & have confirmation bias. nt
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:58 AM
Monday

LeftInTX

(33,881 posts)
44. I personally think he had a gaming addiction. Happened to my son with a scholarship. First semester.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:24 AM
Monday

Minecraft and numerous others obtained via torrents was his addiction. National Hispanic Scholar.
Fortunately, he was attending school in town. We moved him out of the dorm and took control of his computer.

He got his scholarship back after begging and graduated. But it's a real thing and I don't know what would have happened if he dropped out. Bright guy, who has been an engineer for 10 years. He even started his own company.

I could see something like that causing downward spiral.

I wouldn't be surprised if he started going downhill then and spent even more time gaming. Of course gaming addictions don't lead to violence, but they can mess up your life.

Tree Lady

(12,699 posts)
89. I wish my daughter had taken away
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:20 PM
Monday

Computer from my grandson. He got hooked early to gaming and it's kept him from college, from wanting to get ahead. He lived for free with my ex for years before his girlfriend got pregnant 3 yrs ago and moved his daughter across the states. Still took him years until ths last May to wake up and move back where she was, get a job in warehouse and now is visiting his daughter.

He is one of the many youth in late 20's wanting money without doing the work to get it, belongs to some group on X but won't talk about it. He didn't vote but if he did wouldn't be for our side.

yardwork

(68,038 posts)
106. Kids like that in my family too.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:38 PM
Monday

They spout all kinds of nonsense they've read on the internet. They spend way too much time in an echo chamber, exposed to trolls and who knows who else. They don't read the news or history.

It's a real concern.

LeftInTX

(33,881 posts)
132. It's sad. We couldn't get much help for our son. This was at the end of 2011.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:11 AM
Yesterday

So, we put a bunch of parental control software on his computer etc etc etc. I had a program called Net Nanny where I could spy on him. I'm sure he circumvented it by installing Linux dual boot. But we watched that computer. And his grades went up the next semester. We also grounded him from going to Lubbock to see his GF (500 miles away)

I was a pretty much a pit bull mama!

It's not much recognized as a real addiction, yet it has hurt many lives.

markodochartaigh

(4,004 posts)
13. The problem is,
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:54 AM
Monday

when you are as far to the right as the maga base of the Republican party, almost every ideology in human history is to the left of you.

Walleye

(42,449 posts)
18. Which is why I believe right and left are artificial designations that don't apply
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:57 AM
Monday

There’s Trumpers and there’s non-Trumpers that’s it

markodochartaigh

(4,004 posts)
24. Certainly today in the US
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:05 AM
Monday

there are only two factions, those who want to keep democracy in the US and those who are willing to end democracy in order to keep control.

In 2015 the Republican party put party before country and chose an authoritarian Strong Leader who was not committed to democracy as their candidate. Since that point democracy has been on life support in the US.

I think that it is inevitable that an ignorant and apathetic electorate will produce a situation in which the only issue which matters will end up being democracy itself. And we are there.

Bernardo de La Paz

(58,334 posts)
28. Politics is at least two-dimensional, not linear, and probably has more identifiable dimensions
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:11 AM
Monday

X-axis: liberal / conservative on human rights and social rights and crime etc.

Y-axis: fiscally liberal / conservative.

LeftInTX

(33,881 posts)
50. The Senator from Utah (GOP) said, let's just call them "radicals", Not right or left radicals.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:56 AM
Monday

He wanted to drop the left/right label. It sorta makes sense to me.

I remember the Nazi inspired killer in WI.

People who go down extremist route and resort to killing people are not the norm. Most of them are non-voters and don't have a true political affiliation. They don't believe in civic engagement, but OTOH, they may have a history of complaining. There are so many sicko conspiracy theories available at one's fingertips these days.

You can still dissect, what motivated them later. But there is usually mental illness involved. The school shooter in MN hated everyone.

karynnj

(60,539 posts)
63. The problem is that he may see only MAGA as not radical
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:13 PM
Monday

Meaning the far right crazies, the smaller grouper of far left crazies, and every one else ranging from supporters of Bernie Sanders/AOC/Mamdani to Reagan/both Bush are ALL labelled radicals. Even though this includes everyone with any legitimate claim to being a being mainstream

LeftInTX

(33,881 posts)
115. I'm sure his lawyer is telling him to keep quiet. A plea deal is possible, but not probable.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 02:04 PM
Monday

The FBI may have flubbed evidence. The governor and Patel may have incited prejudice. Lack of evidence is the most likely reason a plea deal is offered. I think despite this, they likely have the evidence and won't offer a plea deal, but you never know.

All this motivation stuff from the Republicans is RW spin to get people worked up and support Trump's agenda.

Walleye

(42,449 posts)
117. Yes, I would think he would try to avoid the death penalty. He's only 22.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 02:06 PM
Monday

But maybe he won’t have enough sense to do that. He is obviously not playing with a full deck.

LeftInTX

(33,881 posts)
118. Plea deals are up to the prosecution, not the defendant.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 02:13 PM
Monday

If the prosecution feels they may not got a verdict, then they will likely offer a deal.

Plea deals are also very common in low level cases because they save headaches for everyone.

I've seen numerous high profile murder cases where a plea deal was not offered, such as Darlie Routier's case. The evidence was flimsy, but they got her on death row and that was their goal.

Crunchy Frog

(27,975 posts)
134. Unless there's something like a quid pro quo to avoid the death penalty by playing along with the narrative.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:34 AM
Yesterday

Ocelot II

(127,173 posts)
6. "Our aggressive interview posture at the FBI"? What does that mean?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:50 AM
Monday

Did they waterboard somebody who they thought might know what the note said? Or is weaselly little Patel who always looks like he's being goosed just talking the manly MAGA man talk for the benefit of Dear Leader?

TommyT139

(1,870 posts)
66. That stood out to me too
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:18 PM
Monday

Although there's a lot of terrain between legitimate interviewing and interrogation and torture.

The psychology of what can make people confess can be missed...and the psychology behind what makes people falsely confess, or "embellish" an account -- that science can be easily ignored.

DET

(2,205 posts)
122. 'weaselly little Patel who always looks like he's being goosed'
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 02:44 PM
Monday

I have to borrow that.

RobinA

(10,419 posts)
129. Apparently It Means
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 05:12 PM
Monday

somebody called the FBI before they were even out of bed and told them they had a confession.

Scrivener7

(57,137 posts)
14. They learn that in the Spells and Potions class at Quantico. Slitherin is the best at it.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:55 AM
Monday

sl8

(16,827 posts)
9. Keep in mind the source, especially when they're known for promoting propaganda.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:52 AM
Monday
Hindustan Times is a pretty crappy source, in general. This particular piece uses Fox News and The Daily Mirror for its sources.


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/hindustan-times/

Overall, we rate the Hindustan Times Left-Center Biased and questionable due to poor sourcing, numerous failed fact checks, and the promotion of propaganda. (M. Huitsing 9/5/2017) Updated (12/23/2024)


Emphasis mine.

still-prayin4rain

(498 posts)
19. Yes, good point. But in this case, it is true -- Kash Patel did literally say the things quoted.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:57 AM
Monday

Wiz Imp

(7,085 posts)
92. Hindustan times left center biased? Is that a joke?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:23 PM
Monday

All the articles I've ever seen there were clearly biased to the right. That's why that media bias fact check site is totally unreliable. They themselves are clearly biased to the right. The promotion of propaganda claim, however, is true of Hindustan times.

sl8

(16,827 posts)
110. I was wondering about that, too.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:48 PM
Monday

Based on the little I read of their reasoning, it seems to be because of their reporting on Indian politics.

sop

(16,013 posts)
16. Patel: "We have confirmed what the note said because our aggressive interview posture at the FBI."
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:55 AM
Monday

It sounds like they waterboarded the note. Patel didn't have to torture it, the FBI used "enhanced interrogation techniques" to acquire information from the note.

flvegan

(65,261 posts)
17. "Oh, and Trump definitely does not have a small penis."
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:57 AM
Monday

- Soon to also be stated in the "un-destroyed" note, probably.

hlthe2b

(111,292 posts)
25. Umm: 17 responses to date and not one is questioning wtf the 'leftist' ideology in that note
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:06 AM
Monday

(or evidence therein) consisted of... Pardon the dangling preposition, but I saw nothing that justified that headline...

Ocelot II

(127,173 posts)
34. I guess that's because nobody believes it?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:18 AM
Monday

But it does suggest that goons from Patel's "reformed" FBI might have "aggressively interrogated" someone who saw the note until he invented something that sounded vaguely leftist.

"What did the note say, punk?"

"I don't know, I didn't see it!"

*WHACK*

"What did it say???"

"I don't know! Please don't hit me!"

*WHACK*

"Did it say anything about Antifa?"

"I don't know! I don't even know what that is?"

*WHACK*

"I'm asking you again, punk. Did the note mention Antifa? Or Black Lives Matter?"

*WHACK*

"I don't know... It might have..."

*WHACK*

"OK, yeah, it did. He loved Anfifa, Antipasto, whatever. Went to all their meetings. That's what the note said. How great it was. And Black Flies Matter. Them, too. Just don't hit me again."

karynnj

(60,539 posts)
64. Reading through thinking the same thought
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:15 PM
Monday

His note would be consistent with being on the far right.

Wiz Imp

(7,085 posts)
95. I believe their evidence of being " leftist" is he didn't like Kirk.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:28 PM
Monday

They're pretending that only "leftists" could hate Kirk, ignoring the existence of Nick Fuentes and Laura Loomer among many others on the right who despised him.

yardwork

(68,038 posts)
102. Seems like that's a question for Patel and the governor.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:34 PM
Monday

I think they were told by Trump to frame it as "leftist ideology."

So far I e seen zero evidence but I think the OP was just quoting Patel.

hlthe2b

(111,292 posts)
104. Yes. but, we are here discussing Patel's assertion, yet no comment/question/discussion of that?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:37 PM
Monday

Other posters have suggested that the assumption is that MAGA is implying the ONLY ones who could possibly "not like" Kirk would be Leftists. They are probably deluded enough to believe that--after all, they think Trump is the returned "Messiah..."

yardwork

(68,038 posts)
108. Speaking for myself, I honestly have no idea of the shooter's ideology.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:43 PM
Monday

As I've posted before I imagine it's a mishmash of half-baked ideas and nonsense gleaned from hopping around the internet, interacting in echo chambers and never fact-checking anything.

I disagree with TrumpCo's framing of "leftist ideology." It's just nonsense they use to scare people. By compressing all beliefs to the right of Trump into one "leftist ideology" they can call Kamala Harris a communist because hey, it's all leftist, isn't it?

It's so stupid it makes my head hurt.

LeftInTX

(33,881 posts)
116. I read a few articles about it, but the articles didn't mention anything other than he was planning to kill Kirk
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 02:06 PM
Monday

No other info other than quotes from Patel. So, it's probably BS RW spin.

Dulcinea

(9,116 posts)
27. Kash Patel can't find his own butt with both hands & GPS.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:09 AM
Monday

And we're supposed to believe this crap? Give me a break.

still-prayin4rain

(498 posts)
30. Look, they found a destroyed note that they un-destroyed (but you can't see the un-destroyed note without special FBI
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:13 AM
Monday

glasses, so it will not be released) and it confirmed that the left is bad and Trump is good.

What is so unbelievable about that?

niyad

(127,209 posts)
70. Oh my word, I was just thinking that very line yesterday. Absolutely
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:27 PM
Monday

no idea why it popped up.

peggysue2

(12,177 posts)
32. Wow!
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:15 AM
Monday

They 'undestoyed' the killer's note. What a giant leap forward for police investigations. Is this a riff on the movie Minority Report? Is there a tank in the FBI with PreCogs reading notes before they're obliterated?

Tom Cruise would be proud.

For the rest of us? Total BS.

miyazaki

(2,532 posts)
46. Ah so. Well back in medieval times they called it
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:36 AM
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being 'put to the question'.

Back to the good old days.

Qutzupalotl

(15,494 posts)
39. The shooter is still alive and can explain himself
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:21 AM
Monday

if he survives until court. So don't worry about Kash Patel and the Magic Undestroyed Note that Says what the FBI Wants to Hear. We'll know soon enough.

still-prayin4rain

(498 posts)
43. Like Maxwell, the suspects life (and everything else) is in their hands, so I am not sure how motivated he will be to
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:23 AM
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go against their narrative.

Qutzupalotl

(15,494 posts)
45. I think they will seek the death penalty no matter what.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:34 AM
Monday

To your point, maybe they could offer him life in prison as a bribe to say what they want him to. But that seems politically untenable; if he claims to be a lefty, Kirk's base will call for his head. They already are, with little evidence.

So he's a dead man either way, and even life in prison is no picnic. I think he will say his piece when he can, with his actual motivations, and in court for maximum effect — rather than cave to pressure in interviews. But we will see.

still-prayin4rain

(498 posts)
49. I see your point and hope you're right, but they have the power to make his life hell in the meantime
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:48 AM
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of whatever comes next.

Crunchy Frog

(27,975 posts)
135. Nah. They'll claim he was a victim of "left wing" indoctrination and that he should receive leniency.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 05:27 AM
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If they paint him as a nice boy who was a victim of evil doers, they could get away with a lighter sentence.

Just speculating. We'll see how it shakes down.

still-prayin4rain

(498 posts)
58. Utah being the state, right? Do you think Utah state officials would not be agreeable to a certain narrative?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:08 PM
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LeftInTX

(33,881 posts)
60. I don't think they will get into motive.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:08 PM
Monday

Their goal is to find him guilty of murder.
Defense lawyers will try to squash evidence such as motive.
They have a strong case against him.

Guilty.

Moostache

(10,783 posts)
40. He misspoke..
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:21 AM
Monday

He meant to say - the note was IN the Epstein files, but because Joe Biden did not release the files, it is unable to be shown but trust him, it was really, really leftist and very, very bad, and Jesus.

Torchlight

(5,689 posts)
47. They'll eventually tell us he said everything which best validates their narrative
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:36 AM
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Regardless of accuracy, honesty or integrity.

spanone

(140,167 posts)
53. It sounds like a whole lot of bullshit.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:03 PM
Monday

Patel should keep his mouth shut. This suspect hasn't even been charged yet....this is totally fucked up.

Attilatheblond

(7,256 posts)
54. Where are the Epstein Files?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:03 PM
Monday

Kash seems to be pulling things outta the air, or his ass, in an attempt to look competent and appease the powerful chaps who rely on fueling the hate to make bank and hold power.

Botany

(75,301 posts)
59. Show us the note Kash.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:08 PM
Monday

So the note was destroyed but now the FBI has been able to fix it so it can be seen again now?
Just like Obama, the Clintons, and Joe Biden owned time machines so they were able to place
a letter into Epstein’s birthday book 22 years ago and to make Trump look bad.


RedWhiteBlueIsRacist

(1,097 posts)
62. Punk was reared in a Christo-Magat household. MAGA-ism put that round through Kirk's neck.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:13 PM
Monday

One more day at the range, and Kirk's noggin' would have been obliterated (using one of Trumps favorite words).

Autumn

(48,357 posts)
72. Why don't you seperate your sacasm from the 2 paragraphs that you
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:28 PM
Monday

posted. there's enough garbage out there without adding to it

still-prayin4rain

(498 posts)
79. I'm sorry you felt confused. I think the ON EDIT note explains it quite well (for the few who had any doubt).
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:53 PM
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IronLionZion

(49,896 posts)
78. The linked article doesn't say anything about "leftist ideology"
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:52 PM
Monday

Did OP add that part?

The article's headline is:

Inside Tyler Robinson’s 'destroyed' note left before Charlie Kirk's shooting: 'I'm going to...'

still-prayin4rain

(498 posts)
80. Oh wow, I just replied to someone that the ON EDIT note along with the "Welp" made it clear that the headline was
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:54 PM
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commentary on Patel's direct quotes. I guess I was wrong.

IronLionZion

(49,896 posts)
83. Better separation of the article text and your text is needed
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:58 PM
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For example

Use the Excerpt Box for article text


Then put your text below that. Same with the title. Why add your own text to the title?

still-prayin4rain

(498 posts)
86. So, I thought in the General Discussion forum we discussed topics and ideas more generally and in LBN we stuck to
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:06 PM
Monday

the exact headline.

My title is meant to tie together the Utah governor saying on Saturday that the suspect had a leftist ideology, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/14/us/kirk-shooting-suspect-ideology-partner.html "Kirk Shooting Suspect Held ‘Leftist Ideology,’ Utah Governor Says"

AND now, Kash Patel saying they have found a destroyed note that they ".... have confirmed what that note says, because of our aggressive interview posture at the FBI."

So, what do you think the FBI has confirmed that the destroyed note says?

Luckily, most people on the thread seem to understand the point of the post clearly, but I do apologize for any confusion on how I posted.

John1956PA

(4,457 posts)
87. I caught what you meant in the title. I am sick of . . .
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:11 PM
Monday

. . . Patel and Cox following Trump's marching orders, but we all know that they would. The "Welp" is appropriate.

EnergizedLib

(2,774 posts)
82. Where's the evidence of leftist ideology?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:57 PM
Monday

If that was all that was written on the note, that tells us absolutely nothing about the suspect’s political leanings or motive.

dflprincess

(29,014 posts)
85. That was my question.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:02 PM
Monday

Maybe they assume he's a "leftist" because he can write a coherent sentence using upper & lower cases correctly?

John1956PA

(4,457 posts)
84. Late this morning, FBI Co-Deputy Director Bongino mentioned the word "obsession."
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:59 PM
Monday

Bingino stated that Robinson had an "obsession" with Kirk.

Over the last few days, I have been thinking of the obsession which Mark David Chapman had with John Lennon. Chapman had Lennon sign an album cover a day or two before he shot him. Chapman, of course, was deranged. He liked Lennon"s music, but disliked a line in "Imagine" which seems to applaud atheism.

I think Robinson's obsessive attachment to all things Kirk was the foundation for his deadly act. In his twisted mind, Robinson felt that, if he could not be Charlie Kirk, then Kirk could be be Kirk either.

Janbdwl72

(225 posts)
88. In the contest for least credibility ever
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:16 PM
Monday

Kash Patel ranks just a few hundredths of a point below the Orange Maniac.

Emile

(37,490 posts)
94. BS, he came from a right-wing republican family,
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:28 PM
Monday

and family members all posed for family pictures with guns.

That is about the furthest leftist ideology I have ever heard of.

Republicans need to get off their hemorrhoidal asses and take personal responsibility for their ideology.

ancianita

(41,778 posts)
98. Yep. All their "found" are fabricated. All their fabricated are found.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:32 PM
Monday
Patel's people "found something" that even the family, friend, pastor, as direct eyewitnesses to the shooter's life didn't even know about!!

barbtries

(30,763 posts)
103. they tortured the note
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:35 PM
Monday

until it said what they wanted it to say.

propaganda is truly job ONE for this abject administration.

Mblaze

(744 posts)
109. "I have the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it."
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:47 PM
Monday

Where did it say it was because of "Leftist ideology"?

DallasNE

(7,871 posts)
112. How Does "Aggressive Interview Posture" Differ From Torture
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:49 PM
Monday

How well did that work following 9/11? We are still left with Gitmo decades later. Have we learned nothing?

AncientOfDays

(241 posts)
114. It was more personal than political
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:53 PM
Monday

My opinion/analysis.

Robinson was raised MAGA and around a lot of guns. But he wasn't all that political. He was Groyper, but that wasn't his motivation. Somewhere along the line, Robinson fell in love with a trans person. Charlie Kirk comes along preaching hate against trans and causing hurt to someone Robinson loved. There is the motivation.

Let's hope it does go to trial and the truth comes out - else Kirk will continue to be a martyr and the drumbeat against "the left" will continue to intensify.

bluestarone

(20,282 posts)
119. Well, to me, Patel just proved how FN DUMB he knows his base is.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 02:24 PM
Monday

They will believe ANYTHING they are told!! The whole bunch are INSANE!!!

LeftInTX

(33,881 posts)
131. Other sources are saying a note is involved, but it's as vague as Hindustan Times.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 02:04 AM
Yesterday

K$H said it on Fox News, not a press conference. Usually you provide that type of info via a press conference. You just don't put case sensitive info out there in this manner because it can become "unscripted". Often they put a boring FBI analyst on, not the head. Mainly because showmanship is not good when discussing evidence. You want curated facts.

Nevertheless, there is a text message, which likely says the same thing as the torn up note.

RedArkGuy

(834 posts)
124. As for me . . .
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 02:46 PM
Monday

. . . I will not be trusting a word of what Kash Patel's or Trump's FBI says about the motivations of the shooter. From the Utah police, I'd probably give it more credibility. But Patel, Trump and Bondi are all pathological liars and shouldn't be believed concerning much of anything, unless it is against their interest what they're saying.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,525 posts)
130. Has anyone told the promoted podcaster
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 05:36 PM
Monday

that this making up random shit stuff only works when the suspect is deceased?

Crunchy Frog

(27,975 posts)
133. 20 years ago this could have made a really good near future, dystopic, comedy movie.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:24 AM
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They're like a mashup of the Gestapo and the Keystone Cops.

oasis

(52,883 posts)
138. Kash Patel had swallowed the note, but analysts
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 07:58 AM
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were able to decipher its message after sorting through his “droppings”.

John1956PA

(4,457 posts)
141. I am guessing, but I think the roommate destroyed the note which TR instructed him to find under the keyboard.
Tue Sep 16, 2025, 03:53 PM
Yesterday

I am guessing the FBI put the roommate under hypnosis in order to recall what the note stated.

I do not think that type of hypnosis-induced recollection would be admissible in court.

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