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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFour CIVILIANS (tech CTO's) sworn in as Lt. Cols in US Army. I just
found out about this, though it happened in June. (www.military.com, 17 June 2025, Steve Beynon, reporter). from palantir, meta, open ai, and something called thinking machine labs. .and they refuse to recuse themselves from conducting business with DoD.
It may have been discussed here when it happened, but I just now learned about it when a friend sent me a copy of a facebook post.
Am I right to be worried, or am I overreacting?
ETA: As it turns out, this was covered here at the time, including inforrmation about it actually being an initiative of the Biden administraion, along with information about Direct Commission Officers. Having read all of that, and responses here, let me say this. Under President Biden, or President Harris (as it should have been), I could see some possible benefits. HOWEVER, under this current regime of scum aand corruption at every level, I foresee nothing but graft, corruption, possible treason, and evil.
May I be proven wrong (not holding my breath!).

Walleye
(42,450 posts)Beowulf42
(289 posts)any time and any place with the U.S. military.
Walleye
(42,450 posts)TomSlick
(12,714 posts)This is insulting to every one of these officers.
Norrrm
(2,979 posts)niyad
(127,209 posts)markodochartaigh
(4,007 posts)there is no accepted definition of fascism, certainly not in the US where all political definitions are ever-changing and thus meaningless in an environment bought and paid for by corporate owners.
But I will just leave this here:
Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.
Benito Mussolini/Giovanni Gentile
niyad
(127,209 posts)LoisB
(11,621 posts)is far more insidious than anything IT could formulate.
Found this:
"Army Forms Detachment 201 To Bridge Tech And Defense
The executivesPalantir (NYSE LTR) Chief Technology Officer Shyam Sankar, Meta (NASDAQ:META) CTO Andrew Bosworth, OpenAI Chief Product Officer Kevin Weil, and advisor at Thinking Machines Lab and former OpenAI Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew will serve in a new unit called Detachment 201, also known as the Army's Executive Innovation Corps."
The purpose is supposedly to help modernize the military.
niyad
(127,209 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:16 PM - Edit history (1)
These four get to keep their day jobs with their ginormous salaries, but also draw a military (ie, WE pay them), paycheck?? Because, of course, it would simply be too much for them to simply be consultants. How much of our information, not to mention, highly sensitive military plans, intelligence, resources, etc., will be available to them?
LoisB
(11,621 posts)niyad
(127,209 posts)LeftInTX
(33,891 posts)I've never heard of anything like this! It's very concerning.
The last time I heard of rapid promotion was maybe WWII?
I think it was fairly common in the Civil War, when we didn't have a standing army.
niyad
(127,209 posts)but that was the only military one I saw.
moonshinegnomie
(3,627 posts)doesnt that mean they can be prosecuted under the UCMJ for any violations of military rules????especially once the moron is out of office.
niyad
(127,209 posts)sl8
(16,831 posts)I seem to recall that there are some other, very specific circumstances when it also applies, but don't quote me on that.
moonshinegnomie
(3,627 posts)and then make their lives miserable????
sl8
(16,831 posts)appleannie1
(5,331 posts)niyad
(127,209 posts)LudwigPastorius
(13,395 posts)Why do these people need to be handed O-5 pay and an oak cluster just to advise on advanced defense tech?
I was under the impression that rank didnt have that much to do with access to classified secrets.
Hekate
(99,410 posts)The officer class were upper crust, didnt need to go to any military academy, had an upper crust education, and were expected to know how to lead It worked for centuries, after all. Until it didnt.
As for civil service (invented by the advanced culture of China, see below for dates) third-world countries have always found patronage works well enough for hiring and promotion, that and bribery.
I think these Lt. Colonels were appointed at the garbage-strewn intersection of the wreckage of American meritocracy for both the civil service and the military.
I think Ill break into a new version of Tradition!
Niyad we used to be better than this in the modern world, and proud of it.
* The concept of selecting officials by merit rather than by birth began to be used in China as early as the Han Dynasty (206 BCE 220 CE), but the modern written imperial examination system for civil service was formalized during the Sui Dynasty (581618 CE). This system became fully developed under the Tang and Song dynasties and provided a merit-based pathway for entering the bureaucracy for nearly 1,300 years, lasting until its abolition in 1905.
Apologies that I am using the so-called AI Overview that popped up, but it accords with my memory of my studies. The Chinese did it first, by a very long shot. But by the time they dropped it in 1905, their empire had rotted and was ripe for revolution in a big way. Let that be a lesson to the rest of us.
Aristus
(70,859 posts)Any politically-connected incompetent can get himself a commission as a 'colonel', I guess.
If only King Jugurtha was here to remind us that in the USA, everything is for sale.
sl8
(16,831 posts)niyad
(127,209 posts)Deuxcents
(23,996 posts)niyad
(127,209 posts)and that they did not have their fingers crossed behind their backs.
Wifes husband
(547 posts)The government has been paying for civilian consultants for years. The value of them is debatable, but any government supervisor has had to put up with them
They usually write a lengthy analysis of the issue that nobody reads or implements because they take so long to do the study that no one cares anymore.
Don't understand why they were given commissions