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niyad

(127,209 posts)
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 09:43 AM Monday

Four CIVILIANS (tech CTO's) sworn in as Lt. Cols in US Army. I just

found out about this, though it happened in June. (www.military.com, 17 June 2025, Steve Beynon, reporter). from palantir, meta, open ai, and something called thinking machine labs. .and they refuse to recuse themselves from conducting business with DoD.

It may have been discussed here when it happened, but I just now learned about it when a friend sent me a copy of a facebook post.

Am I right to be worried, or am I overreacting?


ETA: As it turns out, this was covered here at the time, including inforrmation about it actually being an initiative of the Biden administraion, along with information about Direct Commission Officers. Having read all of that, and responses here, let me say this. Under President Biden, or President Harris (as it should have been), I could see some possible benefits. HOWEVER, under this current regime of scum aand corruption at every level, I foresee nothing but graft, corruption, possible treason, and evil.

May I be proven wrong (not holding my breath!).

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Four CIVILIANS (tech CTO's) sworn in as Lt. Cols in US Army. I just (Original Post) niyad Monday OP
White men? Walleye Monday #1
Three are. niyad Monday #3
A slap in the face to every man and woman who has served.. Beowulf42 Monday #16
Exactly. niyad Monday #21
Yes, I know, they are doing that to a lot of experienced hard-working people. For no real reason, disgusting Walleye Monday #23
It is not uncommon for fine officers to retire at LTC with over twenty years of dedicated service. TomSlick Monday #33
Activate them to go fight crime in the cities. Norrrm Monday #2
At least then they might be useful. Maybe. niyad Monday #7
I realize that markodochartaigh Monday #4
Terrifying, is it not? niyad Monday #8
I think you are right to be worried. Someone or some ones appear to have a grand plan that LoisB Monday #5
Then they should hire advisors from the Ukrainian Army. niyad Monday #6
Interesting questions. The answers, of course, will never be known by "we, the people". LoisB Monday #9
Sadly, you are quite correct. niyad Monday #10
Here is a link to the article. LeftInTX Monday #11
Thank you for the link. There were several citations when I googled it, niyad Monday #13
correct me if im wrong but if they are now lt col's moonshinegnomie Monday #12
I have no idea, but what a great question! niyad Monday #14
In general, only when they're on active duty. sl8 Monday #17
couldnt in theory a new president order them to active duty? moonshinegnomie Monday #22
Probably. nt sl8 Monday #24
Thank you. niyad Monday #29
More on it at link appleannie1 Monday #15
Thank you. niyad Monday #30
What the hell? LudwigPastorius Monday #18
Talk about a throwback to the Old Country, Colonial times, whatever part of history you want Hekate Monday #19
Just like the Civil War. Aristus Monday #20
It was pointed out in one of the June threads that this was a Biden administration initiative: sl8 Monday #25
Thank you for those links and information. niyad Monday #31
Do they take an oath to the Constitution? Deuxcents Monday #26
I would not bet that they did, unless I saw and heard actual video, niyad Monday #32
I don't understand this Wifes husband Monday #27
Access is a good guess. niyad Monday #28

Beowulf42

(289 posts)
16. A slap in the face to every man and woman who has served..
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:03 PM
Monday

any time and any place with the U.S. military.

Walleye

(42,450 posts)
23. Yes, I know, they are doing that to a lot of experienced hard-working people. For no real reason, disgusting
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:59 PM
Monday

TomSlick

(12,714 posts)
33. It is not uncommon for fine officers to retire at LTC with over twenty years of dedicated service.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 08:03 PM
Monday

This is insulting to every one of these officers.

markodochartaigh

(4,007 posts)
4. I realize that
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:27 AM
Monday

there is no accepted definition of fascism, certainly not in the US where all political definitions are ever-changing and thus meaningless in an environment bought and paid for by corporate owners.

But I will just leave this here:
Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.
Benito Mussolini/Giovanni Gentile

LoisB

(11,621 posts)
5. I think you are right to be worried. Someone or some ones appear to have a grand plan that
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 10:34 AM
Monday

is far more insidious than anything IT could formulate.

Found this:
"Army Forms Detachment 201 To Bridge Tech And Defense
The executives—Palantir (NYSE LTR) Chief Technology Officer Shyam Sankar, Meta (NASDAQ:META) CTO Andrew Bosworth, OpenAI Chief Product Officer Kevin Weil, and advisor at Thinking Machines Lab and former OpenAI Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew — will serve in a new unit called Detachment 201, also known as the Army's Executive Innovation Corps."

The purpose is supposedly to help modernize the military.

niyad

(127,209 posts)
6. Then they should hire advisors from the Ukrainian Army.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 11:42 AM
Monday

Last edited Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:16 PM - Edit history (1)

These four get to keep their day jobs with their ginormous salaries, but also draw a military (ie, WE pay them), paycheck?? Because, of course, it would simply be too much for them to simply be consultants. How much of our information, not to mention, highly sensitive military plans, intelligence, resources, etc., will be available to them?

LoisB

(11,621 posts)
9. Interesting questions. The answers, of course, will never be known by "we, the people".
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:12 PM
Monday

LeftInTX

(33,891 posts)
11. Here is a link to the article.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:20 PM
Monday
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/06/27/tech-executives-commissioned-senior-army-officers-wont-recuse-themselves-dod-business-dealings.html

I've never heard of anything like this! It's very concerning.
The last time I heard of rapid promotion was maybe WWII?


I think it was fairly common in the Civil War, when we didn't have a standing army.

niyad

(127,209 posts)
13. Thank you for the link. There were several citations when I googled it,
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:29 PM
Monday

but that was the only military one I saw.

moonshinegnomie

(3,627 posts)
12. correct me if im wrong but if they are now lt col's
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 12:26 PM
Monday

doesnt that mean they can be prosecuted under the UCMJ for any violations of military rules????especially once the moron is out of office.

sl8

(16,831 posts)
17. In general, only when they're on active duty.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:08 PM
Monday
https://www.armfor.uscourts.gov/digest/IA3.htm

I seem to recall that there are some other, very specific circumstances when it also applies, but don't quote me on that.

moonshinegnomie

(3,627 posts)
22. couldnt in theory a new president order them to active duty?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:40 PM
Monday

and then make their lives miserable????

LudwigPastorius

(13,395 posts)
18. What the hell?
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:09 PM
Monday

Why do these people need to be handed O-5 pay and an oak cluster just to advise on advanced defense tech?

I was under the impression that rank didn’t have that much to do with access to classified secrets.

Hekate

(99,410 posts)
19. Talk about a throwback to the Old Country, Colonial times, whatever part of history you want
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:11 PM
Monday

The “officer class” were upper crust, didn’t need to go to any military academy, had an upper crust education, and were expected to know “how to lead” It worked for centuries, after all. Until it didn’t.

As for civil service (invented by the advanced culture of China, see below for dates) third-world countries have always found patronage works well enough for hiring and promotion, that and bribery.

I think these Lt. Colonels were appointed at the garbage-strewn intersection of the wreckage of American meritocracy for both the civil service and the military.

I think I’ll break into a new version of “Tradition! “

Niyad — we used to be better than this in the modern world, and proud of it.


* The concept of selecting officials by merit rather than by birth began to be used in China as early as the Han Dynasty (206 BCE – 220 CE), but the modern written imperial examination system for civil service was formalized during the Sui Dynasty (581–618 CE). This system became fully developed under the Tang and Song dynasties and provided a merit-based pathway for entering the bureaucracy for nearly 1,300 years, lasting until its abolition in 1905.

Apologies that I am using the so-called AI Overview that popped up, but it accords with my memory of my studies. The Chinese did it first, by a very long shot. But by the time they dropped it in 1905, their empire had rotted and was ripe for revolution in a big way. Let that be a lesson to the rest of us.

Aristus

(70,859 posts)
20. Just like the Civil War.
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 01:13 PM
Monday

Any politically-connected incompetent can get himself a commission as a 'colonel', I guess.

If only King Jugurtha was here to remind us that in the USA, everything is for sale.

niyad

(127,209 posts)
32. I would not bet that they did, unless I saw and heard actual video,
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 04:53 PM
Monday

and that they did not have their fingers crossed behind their backs.

Wifes husband

(547 posts)
27. I don't understand this
Mon Sep 15, 2025, 02:29 PM
Monday

The government has been paying for civilian consultants for years. The value of them is debatable, but any government supervisor has had to put up with them
They usually write a lengthy analysis of the issue that nobody reads or implements because they take so long to do the study that no one cares anymore.
Don't understand why they were given commissions

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