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Michael Fanone (Original Post) BootinUp Sep 13 OP
Great statement by a hero of Jan. 6 LetMyPeopleVote Sep 13 #1
Can't disagree with that Bayard Sep 13 #2
Charlie wasn't killed by a political figure. Crunchy Frog Sep 13 #3
Sounds like you did not read the whole thing. BootinUp Sep 13 #6
I did, but I'll reread it to see if I missed anything. Crunchy Frog Sep 13 #7
I reread it. I was responding specifically to his last sentence. Crunchy Frog Sep 13 #8
If you visited the link to the full statement and you still BootinUp Sep 13 #10
Okay, sorry I hadn't clicked on the link. Crunchy Frog Sep 13 #13
Did you hear the report... an actual report, not the online fiction WarGamer Sep 13 #11
It WAS political - if Kirk wasn't who he was, this guy wouldn't have killed him RandomNumbers Sep 14 #22
Probably a meaningless distinction, but Kirk wasn't a politician, he was a notorious rightwing culture warrior. sop Sep 14 #29
He's not pointing his finger at those who celebrate violence and endorse it, who look for any excuse to commit it ... marble falls Sep 13 #4
Its in there at the link. BootinUp Sep 13 #5
Thank you, sir! And bless you!!! calimary Sep 13 #9
Well then how are you supposed to hate anybody tavernier Sep 13 #12
No one is ' supposed' to hate anybody. elleng Sep 13 #14
yes Skittles Sep 13 #16
You're right. rubbersole Sep 14 #20
now THIS represents honor Skittles Sep 13 #15
Well said. (nt) Paladin Sep 13 #17
KICK!! bluestarone Sep 13 #18
Love him malaise Sep 13 #19
Online harassment and threats to Michael Fanone in 3 ... 2... 1 ... RandomNumbers Sep 14 #21
However, the world is a slightly better place now. JohnnyRingo Sep 14 #23
Immerse yourself more in Mr. Fanone's perspective BootinUp Sep 14 #24
Political violence misanthrope Sep 14 #25
If we are not interested in making things better BootinUp Sep 14 #26
I am exhausted of hearing misanthrope Sep 14 #27
Maybe I just don't understand your pov BootinUp Sep 14 #31
Truth. He is a patriot. Period. Evolve Dammit Sep 14 #28
Many people who say some of those things bucolic_frolic Sep 14 #30
This is about rejecting violence not violating BootinUp Sep 14 #32
Hmmm....the Revolution, the Civil War, labor rights and civil rights movements want to have a word. BlueTsunami2018 Sep 14 #33
Ridiculous nonsense to the power of 10. Nt BootinUp Sep 14 #34
Yeah you're right. BlueTsunami2018 Sep 14 #35
. BootinUp Sep 15 #36

Crunchy Frog

(28,050 posts)
3. Charlie wasn't killed by a political figure.
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 07:14 PM
Sep 13

This killing was not an act of political discourse. It was carried out by a disturbed kid heavily under the influence of toxic online culture.

Trying to pretend that this was some sort of political discourse gone awry is playing into the fascists hands IMO, who are using it to attack their political opponents (that's us).

I understand that Fanone's heart is in the right place.

BootinUp

(50,424 posts)
10. If you visited the link to the full statement and you still
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 07:35 PM
Sep 13

hold to your critique, that's cool, but I am going to disagree and say he set the context more broadly about violence and the celebration of it and didn't even mention the killer.

Crunchy Frog

(28,050 posts)
13. Okay, sorry I hadn't clicked on the link.
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 07:48 PM
Sep 13

I've now read the entire statement and my position remains the same.

Fanone himself was a victim of violence as political discourse, but at this point I don't believe that Charlie Kirk was. My views may change as more information comes out, but at this point, that's my view.

WarGamer

(17,910 posts)
11. Did you hear the report... an actual report, not the online fiction
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 07:44 PM
Sep 13

About his discussion with a family member hours before the CK visit where disdain for CK and noting his "Hatefulness" and "spreading hate"?

Doesn't get clearer than that.

This has been reported in every single source. Unlike the online speculation fiction.

RandomNumbers

(18,899 posts)
22. It WAS political - if Kirk wasn't who he was, this guy wouldn't have killed him
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 09:43 AM
Sep 14

That said, I mostly agree that the PRIMARY cause of this kid going out and shooting someone he disliked, was "the influence of toxic online culture."

Just because someone doesn't like either political party, doesn't mean that they no statement they make is "not political". And preplanned murder of a political figure is a political statement.

sop

(16,111 posts)
29. Probably a meaningless distinction, but Kirk wasn't a politician, he was a notorious rightwing culture warrior.
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 05:50 PM
Sep 14

marble falls

(68,654 posts)
4. He's not pointing his finger at those who celebrate violence and endorse it, who look for any excuse to commit it ...
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 07:15 PM
Sep 13

... that's not the amorphous American people he's made his honest and factual statement to. The specific audience should be the 35% that humps guns. that's whom he should be, pardon the expression, aiming for.

calimary

(87,879 posts)
9. Thank you, sir! And bless you!!!
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 07:32 PM
Sep 13

Sheesh - if ANYBODY has earned the right to speak out about any of this, it’s Michael Fanone.

tavernier

(13,951 posts)
12. Well then how are you supposed to hate anybody
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 07:48 PM
Sep 13

If you’re not told who to hate.

Sorry, Michael, your words are true and right.
But children learn what they are taught on the knees of mom and dad. By the time you hit six or seven or eight, it’s pretty well ingrained.

JohnnyRingo

(20,165 posts)
23. However, the world is a slightly better place now.
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 11:29 AM
Sep 14

It shouldn't take violence but stopping Kirk's mission is a positive event

BootinUp

(50,424 posts)
24. Immerse yourself more in Mr. Fanone's perspective
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 12:28 PM
Sep 14

a perspective you might not fully appreciate yet. And you’ll understand why your comment is not only unimportant but also unhelpful.

——————-replied to

“ It shouldn't take violence but stopping Kirk's mission is a positive event”

misanthrope

(9,174 posts)
25. Political violence
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 12:47 PM
Sep 14

Is as American as Jim Crow, Dealey Plaza, Wounded Knee, and Gettysburg. The nation was born in political violence.

We remind ourselves of our ideals to soothe our reality.

BootinUp

(50,424 posts)
26. If we are not interested in making things better
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 01:00 PM
Sep 14

Than we can wallow in the negative view.

misanthrope

(9,174 posts)
27. I am exhausted of hearing
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 01:33 PM
Sep 14

“This isn’t who we are” when the reality of evidence says otherwise.

In the same way an addict can’t recover until they admit they have a problem, we aren’t going to move beyond it until we admit the truth to ourselves. And we certainly won’t defeat this addiction when we have a dealer in the White House and his cohort of manufacturers running one of our major political parties.

BootinUp

(50,424 posts)
31. Maybe I just don't understand your pov
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 07:09 PM
Sep 14

Is it your view that basically says we are lost as a democracy with the current system?

BlueTsunami2018

(4,628 posts)
33. Hmmm....the Revolution, the Civil War, labor rights and civil rights movements want to have a word.
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 07:20 PM
Sep 14

Nothing has ever been gained in this country without political violence. The owners never just give people anything without a fight.

And it’s going to be a hell of a fight to get rid of these fascists.

I hope people understand that.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,628 posts)
35. Yeah you're right.
Sun Sep 14, 2025, 07:53 PM
Sep 14

Pinkertons and pigs didn’t beat the fuck out of workers trying to organize, didn’t kill them. That never happened. The ruling class welcomed unions with open arms. Bloody Sunday? Never happened. The South was like “Oh yeah, Black people are totally equal. Here’s your ballot fellow human being.”

The English just said “Yeah go ahead and break off from our rule, good luck!”


Nonsense. Hardly.

I just don’t think Americans are ready for what needs to happen. Too soft, too comfortable.

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