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Bayard

(27,111 posts)
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 06:16 PM Sep 13

Is Martial Law Coming Next?

(snip)

Trump has sought to undermine every stabilizing institution of American political or civil society: Congress, the courts, federal agencies, universities, law and medicine. Were his goals not so corrupt and self-aggrandizing, we might call him a revolutionary. Instead, he is simply a greedy bastard who has for reasons unfathomable, hoodwinked a significant minority of Americans into believing he will make them rich or redress their grievances. They are discovering the con, though far too slowly for it to matter. But just in case there’s a major erosion of popular support, or congressional opposition arises, Trump has a back-up plan – so well broadcast it might be called a “front-up” plan: a presidential proclamation of national emergency and declaration of martial law.

National Guard troops and ICE agents, the latter a veritable Gestapo, are already pre-positioned in Los Angles and Washington. They may be sent soon to Chicago, New York, Boston and Baltimore, though public opposition is growing and there is a chance Trump will hold-off for now. What will be the pretext for a declaration of martial law, followed by postponement of midterm elections? What will martial law look like? Can it be stopped? Here’s a brief primer on martial law and its prospects in the U.S.A.

Martial law is mentioned nowhere in the U.S. Constitution. The nearest reference is Article I, Section 8, Clause 15: “The Congress shall have power . . . to provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrection and repel Invasions.” There’s also Article IV, Section 4: “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.” In each case, the coercive power of a militia is proposed as remedy to invasion, insurrection, or violence serious enough to threaten the central government or federated states. Only in extremis, in other words, may national armies be deployed within the nation, and then usually by congress. That prohibition was later codified in the marvelously named (shades of Wyatt Erp) Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 which forbids the use of the federal military to enforce laws within the U.S.

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That martial law will be proclaimed sometime in the next year seems pre-ordained. ICE agents, assisted by state National Guard troops in Los Angeles, Washington, and other Democrat-led cities and states, will round up and arrest undocumented immigrants, dark-skinned and Spanish-speaking legal residents and citizens, and anyone who tries to hinder them. (Suspects may also include anyone holding a submarine sandwich.) If protests grow large or unruly, more troops will be sent, including U.S. Army forces, in direct contravention of the Posse Comitatus Act. In that situation, a national emergency will be proclaimed by executive order, and martial law declared in affected cities, and perhaps nationwide. In other words, absent resistance, city after city will be slowly, gradually governed by military force, as Feffer described. If urban populations offer significant resistance to ICE raids and federal policing, more military forces will quickly be called in, and martial law declared. That’s the national catch-22: Don’t resist and martial law will happen slowly; resist and it will occur quickly.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2025/09/12/is-martial-law-coming-next/


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Is Martial Law Coming Next? (Original Post) Bayard Sep 13 OP
No. SSJVegeta Sep 13 #1
That's a definite maybe? Sneederbunk Sep 13 #2
Maybe it's Maybelline? Dave Bowman Sep 13 #9
He is saving that for the midterms. Meanwhile he is busy normalizing martial law by invading blue cities with troops. JCMach1 Sep 13 #3
Yep just getting their ducks in a row for bluestarone Sep 13 #18
I doubt they have the manpower to pull it off. Queso Delicioso Sep 13 #4
Do the math Fiendish Thingy Sep 13 #8
Precisely. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 13 #10
Incremental Martial Law is Now In Effect MrWowWow Sep 13 #5
Your math is way off Fiendish Thingy Sep 13 #7
Reminder: Fiendish Thingy Sep 13 #6
How about if they deputize all the MAGAts that have guns? Bayard Sep 13 #11
What would they do if they were deputized? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 13 #14
Consider this an invitation Fiendish Thingy Sep 13 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Bayard Sep 13 #12
Umm... Morbius Sep 13 #13
Martial law wouldn't be the ultimate objective. It WILL be B.See Sep 13 #15
It is NOT pre-ordained. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 13 #16
The President has absolutely no authority to cancel elections in the states--- Jack Valentino Sep 13 #19

JCMach1

(28,989 posts)
3. He is saving that for the midterms. Meanwhile he is busy normalizing martial law by invading blue cities with troops.
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 06:23 PM
Sep 13

And also testing the courts and other laws that would stop him exploiting these powers.

Queso Delicioso

(111 posts)
4. I doubt they have the manpower to pull it off.
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 06:30 PM
Sep 13

They can implement it in states friendly to Trump, but that seems pointless.

Fiendish Thingy

(20,847 posts)
8. Do the math
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 07:18 PM
Sep 13

Nationwide martial law is a physical impossibility.

They couldn’t even control LA or DC.

MrWowWow

(1,351 posts)
5. Incremental Martial Law is Now In Effect
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 07:00 PM
Sep 13

Local law enforcement and the National Guard are on a daily basis, becoming more and more indistinguishable. Posse Comitatus is no more.
By November 2026, nationwide Martial Law will be the order of the day.

* Stay vigilant
* Never surrender

Fiendish Thingy

(20,847 posts)
7. Your math is way off
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 07:17 PM
Sep 13

Even with 10,000 new ICE thugs, and if every single active duty military personnel was returned stateside from overseas, there wouldn’t be enough to control 300 million people across the vast 50 states.

They couldn’t even control L.A. Or D.C.

Stop perpetuating doom and gloom mythology about the future, when there are plenty of pernicious acts that need resisting right now.

Fiendish Thingy

(20,847 posts)
6. Reminder:
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 07:14 PM
Sep 13

Nationwide martial law is a physical impossibility.

(Do the math)

Above all, do not give in to the mythology- Trump is not omnipotent, and the states and the people are not powerless.

They have power, but they don’t have control.

Fiendish Thingy

(20,847 posts)
17. Consider this an invitation
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 08:50 PM
Sep 13

To join the rest of us in the reality based community.

Once again, there are plenty of atrocities occuring right now that need our voices and resistance, we don’t need to waste time or resources on imaginary dystopian fantasies.

Just because something can be imagined, then typed in the internet does not make that thing plausible, possible or probable.

Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #6)

Morbius

(671 posts)
13. Umm...
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 07:49 PM
Sep 13
(Suspects may also include anyone holding a submarine sandwich.)


I expect people holding tacos have more to fear.

B.See

(6,744 posts)
15. Martial law wouldn't be the ultimate objective. It WILL be
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 07:54 PM
Sep 13

the PRETEXT by which Trump will enact his ultimate objective. Indefinite suspension of elections and TOTAL authority over everything.

as in, resident for life.

Jack Valentino

(3,353 posts)
19. The President has absolutely no authority to cancel elections in the states---
Sat Sep 13, 2025, 11:12 PM
Sep 13

and he doesn't have enough troops or national guardsmen to physically halt elections
in a nation of over 300 million people....

I shudder to think about the reaction if he tried to do so---
probably the biggest national march upon the White House which has never occurred...




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