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malaise

(289,612 posts)
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 11:41 AM Sep 12

Let me make this pellucidly clear

Nothing changes these facts

https://racism.org/articles/defining-racism/white-privilege/12835-charlie-kirk-white-supremacist

Charlie Kirk built himself into the face of a conservative youth movement through Turning Point USA (TPUSA). Behind the branding of “patriotism” and “freedom,” the record shows a pattern of rhetoric, organizational culture, and alliances that echoed white supremacist and Christian nationalist ideologies. The Southern Poverty Law Center documented how TPUSA repeatedly framed immigrants, LGBTQ+ people, and racial justice advocates as existential threats to “white Christian America,” warning followers that their families, religion, and entire way of life were under attack. In later years, Kirk openly embraced Christian nationalist language, claiming that liberty was only possible with a Christian population—a narrative tying freedom to demographic dominance, a cornerstone of supremacist logic (SPLC).



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Let me make this pellucidly clear (Original Post) malaise Sep 12 OP
Letting young kids be exposed to that is abuse leftstreet Sep 12 #1
I have two grandchildren that are trans (LGBTQ). I fear for them. Kirk was not kind to anyone other than OLDMDDEM Sep 12 #2
He played his followers and opened doors for cachukis Sep 12 #3
A mean, hateful small fraction of a human being that will only be missed by Floyd R. Turbo Sep 12 #4
but apparently a large fraction of the GOP Congress RussBLib Sep 12 #15
He helped lead the White-geist eleny Sep 12 #5
Good one. Irish_Dem Sep 12 #28
What happened Wednesday was BLOWBACK. DinahMoeHum Sep 12 #6
I think he was nuckin' futs. He was grooming followers, for Trump. twodogsbarking Sep 12 #7
All to advance the agenda of the plutocracy. Kid Berwyn Sep 12 #8
I have been looking for NJCher Sep 12 #14
Yes indeed malaise Sep 12 #18
None of that justifies murdering him however. totodeinhere Sep 12 #9
Apparently you missed the malaise Sep 12 #10
Just because I do not approve of Kirk's murder doesn't mean that I approve of those other things. totodeinhere Sep 12 #19
Against who Keepthesoulalive Sep 12 #11
I don't know if that has been confirmed but I suspected as much and said so on DU. totodeinhere Sep 12 #20
That's between them Keepthesoulalive Sep 12 #22
It's not just between them. Some people are blaming the left for this so we totodeinhere Sep 12 #25
They are always going to blame the left Keepthesoulalive Sep 12 #26
He promoted hate speech. The End. Or as Malaise says, "That's all". Joinfortmill Sep 12 #12
The murderer is a loser PoliciesRuleTheDay Sep 12 #13
more attention needs to be paid to this statement: NJCher Sep 12 #16
You don't platform hitler light Keepthesoulalive Sep 12 #24
If it is an honest debate ok Keepthesoulalive Sep 12 #23
Tribal warfare. He's a Groyper - Nick Fuentes follower. Rival camp. underpants Sep 12 #29
Kirk was a revolting white supremacist who kissed Trump's ass at every opportunity. Martin68 Sep 12 #17
Kick dalton99a Sep 12 #21
Kirk tried to destroy half of America but ended up destroying himself in the process. Irish_Dem Sep 12 #27
Well put. yellow dahlia Sep 12 #30
Kick SheltieLover Sep 12 #31

leftstreet

(37,416 posts)
1. Letting young kids be exposed to that is abuse
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 11:44 AM
Sep 12

And all the social media pic grabs of the shooter over the years - guns, guns, guns

Somebody get the other kids in that family a wellness check

OLDMDDEM

(2,774 posts)
2. I have two grandchildren that are trans (LGBTQ). I fear for them. Kirk was not kind to anyone other than
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 11:46 AM
Sep 12

christian/white nationalist individuals. That includes our current (p)resident.

cachukis

(3,456 posts)
3. He played his followers and opened doors for
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 11:55 AM
Sep 12

trump and vance.
Truth tellers have been put on notice.

Floyd R. Turbo

(31,109 posts)
4. A mean, hateful small fraction of a human being that will only be missed by
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 12:00 PM
Sep 12

mean, hateful small fractions of human beings!

DinahMoeHum

(23,188 posts)
6. What happened Wednesday was BLOWBACK.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 01:04 PM
Sep 12

It was inevitable, given the climate of coarser and coarser discourse in our nation.

And I'm sorry that I'm not sorry about what happened to him.

You reap what you sow.

Kid Berwyn

(22,033 posts)
8. All to advance the agenda of the plutocracy.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 01:25 PM
Sep 12

Tax breaks for uh the rich, for ever and ever.

How U.S. tax policies have fueled right-wing populism

https://equitablegrowth.org/how-u-s-tax-policies-have-fueled-right-wing-populism/

totodeinhere

(13,678 posts)
9. None of that justifies murdering him however.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 01:28 PM
Sep 12

And the right wing is already calling for revenge. His murder will just feed into more violence.

malaise

(289,612 posts)
10. Apparently you missed the
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 01:59 PM
Sep 12

I am your retribution from the guy who fomented a failed coup then pardoned the cop killers and goons threatening to kill the VP.
Apparently you missed the slaughter of democrats in Minnesota and the attempted assassination of Paul Pelosi.
Please tell me where I justified this murder.

totodeinhere

(13,678 posts)
19. Just because I do not approve of Kirk's murder doesn't mean that I approve of those other things.
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 05:51 PM
Sep 12

This is what I said previously.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20624115

I specifically called out the Minnesota shooting.

To assume that I missed those other horrible things just because I said this particular shooting was unjustified is totally illogical.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,855 posts)
11. Against who
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 02:01 PM
Sep 12

The suspect belongs to another white fascist group. It appears to be a part of the Nick Fuentes group. Democrats and the liberals don’t have any say in this fight. They are reaping what they have sown.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,855 posts)
22. That's between them
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 06:08 PM
Sep 12

Rumor has it that Fuentes is afraid of retribution and that’s their problem. I’m sure they will wort it out.

totodeinhere

(13,678 posts)
25. It's not just between them. Some people are blaming the left for this so we
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 06:49 PM
Sep 12

have a dog in this fight whether we like it or not.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,855 posts)
26. They are always going to blame the left
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 06:55 PM
Sep 12

Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, women. They are never responsible for the chaos the bring. I can’t fix them or change them so I have no dog in this fight. They started harassing black institutions of higher learning, we are used to it. We’ve also learned not to fret.

13. The murderer is a loser
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 02:28 PM
Sep 12

So Tyler Robinson went and killed a debater who opened up the floor for to Democratic college students to share their opinions and ideas. So stupid and unnecessary. That's not how you defeat someone like that. You defeat him through debate. Tell him why his ideas are wrong and how things can be improved. You don't shut down the debate. That seems to be the problem these days with younger people. They don't want debate, and anyone who disagrees with them needs to be destroyed. Even before the debate, there were [940 activists (corrected)] who signed a petition to prevent him from speaking.

NJCher

(41,578 posts)
16. more attention needs to be paid to this statement:
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 02:35 PM
Sep 12
Even before the debate, there were thousands of students who signed a petition to prevent him from speaking.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,855 posts)
24. You don't platform hitler light
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 06:17 PM
Sep 12

Imagine being gay, trans , black a woman and listening to justification for your marginalization. If it were a debate he would have to be open to changing some of his views, it was nothing more then another republican propaganda session.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,855 posts)
23. If it is an honest debate ok
Fri Sep 12, 2025, 06:12 PM
Sep 12

But it is a publicity stunt with really bad statistics and Gish galloping. He then takes it back to the studio and cleans it up to make it appear he had valid points.
It is a recruitment session. The man was an unrepentant monster, stop trying to clean up his image.

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