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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe're not going to get to 'unity' by pretending the murdered racist bigoted demagogue was merely making political points
..by whitewashing the hatred that Charlie Kirk and his followers thought was oh-so-clever and valid when wrapped in specious political rhetoric.
One example that sticks out to me was his denigration of black pilots where he remarked at the height of the arbitrary and dangerous cuts to the Federal Aviation Administration that, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm gonna be like 'boy, I hope he is qualified.'"
He later was reported to have added it was "not who I am, that's not what I believe," but said he was being made to react that way because he felt policies adopted by major companies regarding ethnic minorities meant less-qualified people were being given jobs with significant responsibility, including airline pilots.
That's not even a clever lie, and it represents just what these political splinters of maga are doing right now to portray the advancement of blacks, women, LGBTQ individuals and others traditionally left out or underrepresented in government and industry as placing unqualified people in positions of responsibility which is more than just an outrageous lie; it's a scheme to divide and marginalize entire classes, races, genders from our public life.
It's dressed up in complains about 'Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion efforts which are a weak sop to these marginalized groups of individuals in America; but more importantly, represent government and businesses recognizing the folly and shortcomings of just drawing talent from a narrow pool of white male applicants, which self-described conservatives like Kirk believe should not only get priority in hiring, but should be considered superior by mere virtue of their light skin color, their birthplace, or their country of origin.
Kirk's producer, Blake Neff, blamed left-wing politics for Kirk's comments, saying it was the "reality the left has created."
It's no coincidence that the 'left' is being cynically blamed by maga this morning for inspiring or provoking someone to kill Charlie Kirk because some of us have had the temerity to point out the racist, bigoted screeds that political operatives who are associated with Trump's maga movement have adopted in their open efforts to basically pull down all of the progressive advancement this country has made legislatively and socially in the 20th century.
...some examples:
"America does not need more visas for people from India. Perhaps no form of legal immigration has so displaced American workers as those from India. Enough already. Were full. Lets finally put our own people first, Kirk wrote on X on 2 September.
While many experts have accused Israel of starving the Palestinian people, Kirk has rejected this argument. No, Israel is not starving Gazans, Kirk said in July 2025. That same month, Kirk called images of starving children in Gaza propaganda, saying its emotional, visual, optical warfare.
I think its worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational, Kirk said at the Turning Point USA Faith event on the Salt Lake City campus of Awaken Church.
Appearing on Laura Ingrahams Fox News show, he claimed that young women do not value having children. He stated, This is one of the reasons why we are seeing a fertility collapse in the West.
https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/india-gaza-guns-why-charlie-kirk-controversial-13932800.html
Kirk adopted a traditional Christian conservative stance in his approach to many contemporary issues, telling an audience at a Trump election rally in Georgia last fall that Democrats stand for everything God hates and adding: This is a Christian state. Id like to see it stay that way.
He also lashed out at the gay community, denouncing what he called the LGBTQ agenda, expressing opposition to same-sex marriage and suggesting that the Bible verse Leviticus 20:13, which endorses the execution of homosexuals, serves as Gods perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.
He also argued against gender-affirming care for transgender people and insisted there are only two genders, sporting a T-shirt at one Arizona rally last year that read: xy = man.
More recently, he discussed the burning of Pride flags, writing on X (Twitter): We should work to overturn every conviction for those arrested, fined, or otherwise harassed for the hate crime of doing donuts over Pride flags painted on public streets.
It should be legal to burn a rainbow or Black Lives Matter flag in public.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/where-charlie-kirk-stood-on-guns-the-lgbt-community-and-the-future-of-the-united-states/ar-AA1MlKcF
Charlie Kirk made false accusations about exonerated Central Park Five defendant and NYC Council member Yusef Salaam.
After deleting an earlier post on X, Kirk insinuated that Salaam had been involved even though a court vacated his conviction in 2002. The initial post is still on Kirk's Telegram channel as of publication.
https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-makes-false-accusations-about-exonerated-central-park-five-defendant-and
MANKATO, Minnesota (AP) Charlie Kirk stood 80 miles from where George Floyd was murdered, faced an overwhelmingly white audience, and declared he was going to say things no one dares say out loud.
What followed was an avalanche of aspersions and debunked claims about Floyd, the Black man whose death at the hands of a Minneapolis police officer set off a global reckoning over racial injustice and broad calls for change. But the white conservative agitator had a counter view: Floyd was a scumbag, he said, unworthy of the attention.
The insult lodged at Floyd, a 46-year-old father suspected of passing off a counterfeit $20 bill, was intended to be shocking. But anyone familiar with Kirk shouldnt be surprised. For years, the conservative provocateur and his group, Turning Point USA, have built a following inflaming racial divides and stoking outrage. Kirk thrived during President Donald Trumps tenure. He landed speaking spots at the Republican National Convention in 2016 and 2020 and occasionally counseled Trump on campaign messaging and tactics.
Now the 28-year-old is expanding his reach, trying to rally a next generation of aggrieved white conservatives. On a tour of college towns, he blasts schools and local governments for teaching about racism, with a confrontational style some call dangerous. Yet Kirk is drawing large crowds of millennials and Gen Zers, millions of online followers and donor cash, often with little media attention.
https://ottawa.citynews.ca/2021/11/18/charlie-kirk-exploits-racial-divide-to-reach-gen-z-4768434/
...it's an abomination of our political debate in this country that we're forced to argue against this new generation of privileged, wannabe segregationists who pine for an America that disappeared over a century ago.
It's even more pernicious that we're forced to re-argue our nation's social progress we've achieved through the animosity and division that Charlie Kirks are fomenting as we speak for their partisan political ambitions to dominate non-white Americans to try to regain the advantages they enjoyed when all of the 'DEI' individuals in America were subjugated and repressed by the tyranny of the white majority.
It's interesting how these words convey more meaning and importance in this moment of dangerous peril nation; for the democracy which many intend to protect and defend that progress we've made for historically marginalized people in this country once systematically divided away from the full benefit of America by our government and others.
Kirk and others who have been stalking Americans behind the cult of personality and power in the White House want to codify their newly revived racism and bigotry as legitimate political positions and debate.
You can't get there quoting the murdered Charlie Kirk.
Nor is it credible to legitimize any of his political efforts as 'seeking unity' while promoting nothing but division and denigration of so many Americans who he regularly portrayed as inferior to his white maleness. That's not an ideal which deserves inclusion into our political debate, it's what we need to fight against; what we need to remove from our social politics.
Kirk was unfairly murdered, perhaps for his rhetoric or beliefs, and that's an anathema to everything that Democrats have stood for in the decades we've represented our party as inclusive and progressive.
There's no need for Democrats to pull back on any of the debates and objections we had against the racism and bigotry Kirk and his ilk made the centerpiece of how they relate their republicanism to America.
His supporter look to want to wrap all that we abhorred about his divisive rhetoric into some indictment of Democrats for his assassination, but we've never failed to condemn gun violence, even as Kirks own republican dictum wouldn't allow any effort to regulate weapons most likely similar to the one that took his life.
Our politics intends to sustain and protect the Kirks in America, despite our political differences. It's a further tragedy that, for some, his killing has only deepened their resolve to continue promoting and amplifying those divisions the murdered republican activist fomented against so many Americans.

appmanga
(1,268 posts)...and making a martyr out of this type of person is how this kind of abhorrence gets further normalized and given legitimacy.
We can all agree political violence has no place in the U.S., but the way the media has swarmed in to become the clean-up crew for Kirk is nearly mind blowing. Our country today is being led by a cabal of people who believe in white primacy, who've made no secret about it, and who know they can count on the media to throw doubt on that in favor of calling it some brand of "conservativism".
It's not.
There's no blood on anyone's hands for calling fascist "Fascists", Nazi's "Nazis", racists "racist", and so on. If the media is waiting for all racists in this country to self-identify, and make life easier on their lazy asses, they're in for a long wait. Charlie Kirk, like Steven Miller, Pete Hegseth, and Donald Trump, was an unrepentant bigot. Regardless of how that makes you feel, because his weapons were simply words, he didn't merit the death penalty from some freak who wanted to be judge and jury, but the circumstances of his death also don't transform him into a reasonable person. He was selling racism and lies to a target audience who's youth and lack of worldliness make them particularly susceptible to easy answers for complex issues. Bringing hate to college campuses and cloaking it in a patina of "the exchange of ideas" isn't brave, it's insidious. In the same way we can't condone political violence, we shouldn't condone bigotry, but we do these days when it has a pleasant enough face, or a loud enough yelp.
bigtree
(92,560 posts)...already having proselytized the victim ideology as a regular feature of his whinging about the 'left'.
It oozed out immediately from the slime in the WH who slipped effortlessly into the rhetoric of victimization by the 'left' for having the temerity to speak out against his and his party's deliberate inhumanity that the WH and their followers not only practice by celebrate as they project all of their awfulness onto their political opponents in cynical prevarications designed to rally Americans against people who would defend these cretins' very right to hold a different political view.
But these are bullies who intend to harm Americans they disagree with or just don't like, and it's utter hypocrisy for their followers to now pretend they're being victimized because they're afraid of the blowback.
Moostache
(10,783 posts)Assassinations are never justfiable, murder is murder and the rule of law is sacrosanct to me. It is not to the GOP and was not to Kirk nor his ilk; who seek validation and support for their hideous beliefs of superiority ,based on anything but actual qualifications.
White skin?
You're in the club...
Disaffected male, who does not want to hear anything but "its not your fault" like Williams and Damon in "Good Will Hunting"?
You're just like "us", its not YOU that is wrong, its always THEM/THEY...
Profess verbally how much you loves some Jebus? (even though the figure of Christ would kick over your money changing tables and sooner cast you out than lift and your hideous exclusionary rhetoric up...
You're an icon...
Gleefully harm people with your words and actions and do so with a smirk and wink?
You're nearing god-status itself... or at the very least sanctification as a patron saint for "THE CAUSE"...
This shit is not new.
Its been going on since 1865 non-stop.
America never resolved its original sin of slavery for some and freedom for others while professing freedom for all - and it appears unwilling or unable to do so even now. The government "of the people, by the people and for the people" has been understood for more than a century and a half to mean not ALL the people by some, for whom they reserve the right to dole out that governemnt and those rights as they see fit.
Those who would profess "Christian-Nationalism" are neither concerned with the example or teachings of Christ, nor do they want an inclusive nation for all. They are false prophets and charlatans. Grifters and thieves. They are the very worst of humanity attempting to steal the cloak of righteousness and hide themselves behind its symbolism and the hope that gives the downtrodden and the persecuted. Ironically, they use the very beliefs of those who need it the most in order to glorify themelves instead.
They want two things:
1) the power to discriminate openly and freely, without so much as a dissenting opinion being heard or couched (except for Vance and that weird fetish of his),
and
2)false validation that what they have to feel in their soul is wrong (persecution of the weak, punching down on the powerless, siloing people to keep them at each other's throats instead of working together) is actually supported and perfectly legitimate.
They want to hate freely and persecute without conscience or dissent.
They are, were and ever shall be world without end - wrong.
Their ideology of separating and stratisfying people serves their financial masters' needs and their own desires to lord over others.
Their professed feelings of superiority and divine 'rights' are emblematic of their deep seated feelings of inadequacy - where personal or social or both.
Charlie Kirk was not a person or a life to be celebrated or emulated for WHAT he said - but his was a life (misguided and perverted as it may have been in ny eyes) that deserved the full protection and respect of a society living under the law and not under men. The rule of law has been under seige since January 6th, 2021. It was attacked by Kirk and his ilk relentlessly. It was in service to Donald Trump that Kirk wielded influence and power over the minds of the impressionable and the hurting to turn them into ideological weapons o fmass destruction. When a bomb-maker is killed by an explosion, do we feel compelled to sorrow? Should we?
When you spend your life honing weapons and preaching hatred of the "other", whatever happens to you will not generate sympathy or lionize your wasted life. He was no hero for his views or his speech or his attitudes. He also was no villain for the expression of those views, speech or attitudes. To me (and many others) he was wrong, he was arrogant, he was a bloviating gas bag of lies, half-truths and snark disquised as "intellect" and "seriousness". To others (mainly those seeking validation of their own prejudices and biases), he was nothing but the polar opposite of that.
He was in short, an imperfect human being. He may not have thought about it, while cashing the checks and living a celebrity life and pampered existence on the donations of money and power of his followers, but he did not deserve to have his throat shot out and to die gurlging in his own blood. He was an attacker of the rule of law and unwittingly an atatcker of the one thing that should bring all Americans together - equal justice under law is not a slogan or a pithy saying. It is the basis for society and the bedrock of our way of life. Kirk and others have spent ages attack that and undermining it at every turn, then claiming that they are the ones fighting for freedom.
But he DID contirbute mightily to setting the conditions for such reprehensible acts and violations of law to occur. He failed to make calm, non-violent, non-bigoted points to support his views. Instead choosing at every turn to go with inflamatory or condescending or intentionally vile statements and positions. He embodied the Trump ethos of hitting and hitting and hitting some more and never stopping - because power is all that those people see, respect and desire. The desire for power with the intent of instilling only your views on others is always a weak and evil thing. Abandoning the very principle of the rule of law in favor of temporary political advantage (even if the plan is to convert that temporary into permenent advantage by destruction of the system itself) has proven tragically to be Charlie Krik's Iron Sulfide (fool's gold).
I defend Kirk's right to say and do everything he did.
I do not mourn his loss, nor do I feel it was unfair to his family in the end either. He CHOSE to act and speak and be what he was. He KNEW that these things were not universally popular (though it is hard to say how much he drank his own kool-aid or believed he was telling them the whole truth). He KNEW that these things required him to hire added security around him, just apparently not enough nor thorough enough to match the hate he engendered along the way.
And to quote another individual who bears responsibility and blame for the state of the nation, the repitilian senator from Kentucky - "Still he persisted". He chose the life and lifestyle he lived. He accepted the risks of destroying respect for the rule of law gleefully and fully, so it is NOT different than a man or woman who KNOWS the risks of smoking cigarettes, but choses to do so anyway. His calculus was that his hate and its reactionary blowback would not reach him or his family. He took the same risks that a smoker with a family and children does when they light up anyway. He felt invincible, above reproach. He played god.
Killings and killers are never justified. Assassinations are never "OK". But false deification and beautification of evil intentions and teachings are likewise never OK. The Chip Roys and Jesse Waters of the world may feel big and bad and expelling their rage (and they have a wider reaching platform than I have) last night and today and in the near future. But they are wrong - their rage, their intentions, their words and their actions - and they should know it, especially when the blood of their messiah is yet fully washed away. An eye for an eye leaves the world half blind.
Charlie Kirk did not deserve execution in public for his views, but his actions and attacks on the rule of law should not be swept away in a fog or unearned reverance at his demise either. Further down that path lies many bodies, many deaths, much suffering and in the end? Compromise and those who would make peace instead of war, compromise instead of commands. We can choose to repudiate Kirk's killing and learn from his own mistakes, or we can allow others to repeat the same mistakes and drag the rest of us into a wide conflict and fight. We can choose to heal our fractured belief in justice and the rule of law, or we can fight about it with more deaths, more violence, more sorrow until we exhaust ourselves once more.
What we cannot escape, cannot ignore forever or pretend does not exist is this - none of us can "win" this fight unilaterally. No one side or party or ideology can "win" America. We either learn that now with tragic but limited bloodshed, or we learn it later soaked in blood and sadness and loss many times greater again. America is not one side's birth right or provence. It is the idea that men and women can live together - different from each other, different in every way imaginable, but united under the principle that the law is the arbiter and the ruler, not the men who temporarily hold sway of a majority or ability to influence laws and enforcement of them in a singular, directed manner. We compromise and communicate or we fight and kill and die until exhausted of the ire that overrides rational thought. The fight is unwinnable, the result is always going to be the same - a decision to live under law or die fighting each other instead.
leftstreet
(37,271 posts)That's what this shit has always been about
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bigtree
(92,560 posts)...coupled with the weirdest accusations against Democrats for neglecting or threating things that they would never admit to actually supporting in any real or concrete way.
And they've already openly declared war on Democrats, from the president's rhetoric today and in the past, on down:
Let's not forget that Trump declared war exclusively on Democratic cities
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220630479