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D. Spaulding

(387 posts)
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 10:43 AM Sep 11

This is what they're trying to say about the rifle they allegedly found in the Kirk shooting;

I'm not sure I believe anything coming from this admin anymore, but I do believe this;
if you're Black, liberal, Hispanic, an immigrant, trans, etc. these people are trying very hard to incite violence against you;

"All cartridges have engraved wording on them, expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology."




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This is what they're trying to say about the rifle they allegedly found in the Kirk shooting; (Original Post) D. Spaulding Sep 11 OP
Sure... CentralMass Sep 11 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Prairie Gates Sep 11 #2
This alleged information has been picked up now, D. Spaulding Sep 11 #3
Better than the terrible Crowder source Prairie Gates Sep 11 #7
So, wouldn't that little bit of information tell you the shooter was a repug? OLDMDDEM Sep 11 #4
I don't know what to believe with this administration. D. Spaulding Sep 11 #9
Good point. OLDMDDEM Sep 11 #12
ALL pathological liars so don't believe anything you hear vapor2 Sep 11 #30
I am going with fake information. John1956PA Sep 11 #5
Yah, sure, you betcha... MineralMan Sep 11 #6
How convenient! I would have expected the cartridges to have the shooters name and address on them. Whyisthisstillclose Sep 11 #8
I always engrave political slogans on my cartridges Ocelot II Sep 11 #13
Didn't the Minnesota church shooter last month do just that? MichMan Sep 11 #19
That guy left his intentions and slogans everywhere. Ocelot II Sep 11 #20
That's probably what gave the clowns in this admin D. Spaulding Sep 11 #22
On the magazines, yes NickB79 Sep 11 #24
Luigi Mangione also did the same MichMan Sep 11 #42
Crap like this will be appearing on every single right-wing rag of a website. hadEnuf Sep 11 #10
I agree, but it's rather frightening to think the administration D. Spaulding Sep 11 #16
"If this info is BS they deliberately planted and leaked, then we are in serious trouble in this country. " markodochartaigh Sep 11 #31
Anti-fascist ideology? You mean.... JustBeGood Sep 11 #11
Transparent phony evidence. Coventina Sep 11 #14
This is how I know JustAnotherGen Sep 11 #15
Fabricated Evidence to ban Transgender Burnnotice Sep 11 #17
After Sandy Hook, I have assumed everything I hear from ANY right wing source is 100% bat guano. Moostache Sep 11 #18
FAKE! Jilly_in_VA Sep 11 #21
One engraved cartridge said, "This was done by the entire radical left who are all enemies of america and want a still-prayin4rain Sep 11 #23
I hate it when that happens mike_c Sep 11 #40
So the shooter took the time to engrave Deminpenn Sep 11 #25
I guess it's possible, but so much of that allegation D. Spaulding Sep 11 #28
had time to wrap gun in a towel? Kali Sep 11 #26
This is better than finding an Oswald, gab13by13 Sep 11 #27
tRump turned the JD into a keystone cops reality TV show, I wouldn't trust anything these fascist pigs say. nt ImNotGod Sep 11 #29
FFS. if you're going to do an assassination, don't engrave the cartridges. maxsolomon Sep 11 #32
Unless youre a rightie and want to tie this to the left Fullduplexxx Sep 11 #33
or you're a lunatic. maxsolomon Sep 11 #34
"not been verified by A.T.F. analysts, did not match other summaries of the evidence" muriel_volestrangler Sep 11 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Midnight Writer Sep 11 #36
Reporting this seems awfully stupid Historic NY Sep 11 #37
If a trans person has that kind of rifle skill maxrandb Sep 11 #38
this part makes me wonder if it's a hoax mike_c Sep 11 #39
Total bullshit orangecrush Sep 11 #41

Response to D. Spaulding (Original post)

D. Spaulding

(387 posts)
9. I don't know what to believe with this administration.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 10:52 AM
Sep 11

I wouldn't put anything past them to promote some kind of narrative.
These claims seem too outrageous and convenient to be true,
and too reckless for a suspect that otherwise seemed to act like some kind of professional.

John1956PA

(4,470 posts)
5. I am going with fake information.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 10:50 AM
Sep 11

However, if it turns out to be true that the bullet cartridges were engraved as stated, I will go with false flag.

8. How convenient! I would have expected the cartridges to have the shooters name and address on them.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 10:51 AM
Sep 11

"I'm Bob, the transgender shooter. Find me at 100 Lefty Ave ". That's what all the cool professional assassins write on their evidence.

Ocelot II

(127,253 posts)
13. I always engrave political slogans on my cartridges
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 10:55 AM
Sep 11

when I go out to assassinate someone, just to be sure they know which side to blame before they catch me. Doesn't everyone?

Ocelot II

(127,253 posts)
20. That guy left his intentions and slogans everywhere.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 11:38 AM
Sep 11

He was clearly an amateur, and probably barking mad as well. This assassin is something else.

hadEnuf

(3,398 posts)
10. Crap like this will be appearing on every single right-wing rag of a website.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 10:52 AM
Sep 11

I get pointing these instances out, but pay it no heed.

It is expected garbage.

D. Spaulding

(387 posts)
16. I agree, but it's rather frightening to think the administration
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 11:01 AM
Sep 11

might rush so quickly to plant phony info like this to distract and agitate against the left wing in this country, and foment violence from crazy right wingers
If this info is BS they deliberately planted and leaked, then we are in serious trouble in this country. Very serious.

markodochartaigh

(4,045 posts)
31. "If this info is BS they deliberately planted and leaked, then we are in serious trouble in this country. "
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:30 PM
Sep 11

Even if it was a false flag operation I don't think that it makes any difference from that from that point of view.
We already know that this regime, and maga leadership, will lie egregiously to gin up hate and violence. A false flag would be just one more example.
Any reasonable observer should have been able to conclude before this latest shooting that we are indeed "in serious trouble".
I realize that many people need to believe that maga is a very small percentage of the US population, a group which was begun by Trump and will disappear when he is gone. Everyone has their own coping mechanism.

Burnnotice

(28 posts)
17. Fabricated Evidence to ban Transgender
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 11:02 AM
Sep 11

There going to use this to push through the House appropriatations bill to Federally ban adult gender affirming care. I hope the Democrats stand strong against this.

Moostache

(10,783 posts)
18. After Sandy Hook, I have assumed everything I hear from ANY right wing source is 100% bat guano.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 11:11 AM
Sep 11

And I quit huffing bat quano back in '97...

still-prayin4rain

(505 posts)
23. One engraved cartridge said, "This was done by the entire radical left who are all enemies of america and want a
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 11:47 AM
Sep 11

civil war and I did this because I was brainwashed by the mainstream media who hate President Trump. Really and truly that's why I did this. This is not a RW nut job (again), for sure not. I repeat, this is for sure the fault of "the left." "

So, given that engraving, I guess that solves it.

Deminpenn

(17,010 posts)
25. So the shooter took the time to engrave
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:10 PM
Sep 11

messages on individual cartridges? Even if the messages weren't literally engraved, you have to be able to write in teeny letters using a pen or sharpie.

gab13by13

(29,808 posts)
27. This is better than finding an Oswald,
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:19 PM
Sep 11

Magats can push the narrative the shooter was a left wing terrorist. Did they find the bullet yet? Does it match the shell?

ImNotGod

(1,118 posts)
29. tRump turned the JD into a keystone cops reality TV show, I wouldn't trust anything these fascist pigs say. nt
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:25 PM
Sep 11

maxsolomon

(37,356 posts)
32. FFS. if you're going to do an assassination, don't engrave the cartridges.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:31 PM
Sep 11

leave no evidence. disappear.

maxsolomon

(37,356 posts)
34. or you're a lunatic.
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:42 PM
Sep 11

it's going to be "tied" to the left no matter what. the right has the loudest megaphones.

muriel_volestrangler

(104,746 posts)
35. "not been verified by A.T.F. analysts, did not match other summaries of the evidence"
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:45 PM
Sep 11
In an earlier post, we included a quote from Nancy Mace referring to reporting from the Wall Street Journal that “transgender, anti-fascist things that were engraved in the ammunition and in the rifle that was apprehended” in the investigation into Kirk’s killing.

According to a preliminary internal report circulated inside the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, federal and local officials recovered ammunition with the rifle that appeared to be engraved with statements “expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology”.

But the New York Times reports that “a senior law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the investigation cautioned that report had not been verified by A.T.F. analysts, did not match other summaries of the evidence, and might turn out to have been misread or misinterpreted. In fast-moving investigations, such status reports are not made public because they often contain a mixture of accurate and inaccurate information.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-shot-latest-news-updates-utah-university-donald-trump?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-68c2fa4b8f086519d32701af#block-68c2fa4b8f086519d32701af

Response to D. Spaulding (Original post)

Historic NY

(39,279 posts)
37. Reporting this seems awfully stupid
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 12:59 PM
Sep 11

like inspiring copy cats or designed to throw off LE looking in the wrong direction.

Brian Thompson killer engraved his bullets. deny, dispose , defend

maxrandb

(16,842 posts)
38. If a trans person has that kind of rifle skill
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 01:39 PM
Sep 11

why kick them out of the military?

Sorry. I am just being ornery today.

I believe that shit about the rifle and ammo, about as much as I believe the orange pedophile was an FBI informant working to save young girls from another pedophile.

The only way I could see Donnie Dipshit working against Epstein, would be as a way to remove his competition for underage girls.

mike_c

(36,750 posts)
39. this part makes me wonder if it's a hoax
Thu Sep 11, 2025, 02:23 PM
Sep 11

Cartridges engraved with transgender and anti-fascist ideology? Just like Mangione engraved his? That's just too convenient a story that aligns way too well with the administration's anti-trans narratives. Show me the brass. And Kirk was shot in the middle of making shit up about trans shooters? Just too damned convenient.

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