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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis is what they're trying to say about the rifle they allegedly found in the Kirk shooting;
I'm not sure I believe anything coming from this admin anymore, but I do believe this;
if you're Black, liberal, Hispanic, an immigrant, trans, etc. these people are trying very hard to incite violence against you;
"All cartridges have engraved wording on them, expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology."
Link to tweet

CentralMass
(16,513 posts)Response to D. Spaulding (Original post)
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D. Spaulding
(387 posts)by both CNN and the WSJ.
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/charlie-kirk-shot
Prairie Gates
(6,284 posts)Retracted.
OLDMDDEM
(2,741 posts)D. Spaulding
(387 posts)I wouldn't put anything past them to promote some kind of narrative.
These claims seem too outrageous and convenient to be true,
and too reckless for a suspect that otherwise seemed to act like some kind of professional.
OLDMDDEM
(2,741 posts)vapor2
(3,098 posts)John1956PA
(4,470 posts)However, if it turns out to be true that the bullet cartridges were engraved as stated, I will go with false flag.
MineralMan
(149,779 posts)No. I don't think so. This sounds like bullshit on toast.
Whyisthisstillclose
(281 posts)"I'm Bob, the transgender shooter. Find me at 100 Lefty Ave ". That's what all the cool professional assassins write on their evidence.
Ocelot II
(127,253 posts)when I go out to assassinate someone, just to be sure they know which side to blame before they catch me. Doesn't everyone?
MichMan
(15,943 posts)Ocelot II
(127,253 posts)He was clearly an amateur, and probably barking mad as well. This assassin is something else.
D. Spaulding
(387 posts)the idea to plant this.
NickB79
(20,108 posts)MichMan
(15,943 posts)hadEnuf
(3,398 posts)I get pointing these instances out, but pay it no heed.
It is expected garbage.
D. Spaulding
(387 posts)might rush so quickly to plant phony info like this to distract and agitate against the left wing in this country, and foment violence from crazy right wingers
If this info is BS they deliberately planted and leaked, then we are in serious trouble in this country. Very serious.
markodochartaigh
(4,045 posts)Even if it was a false flag operation I don't think that it makes any difference from that from that point of view.
We already know that this regime, and maga leadership, will lie egregiously to gin up hate and violence. A false flag would be just one more example.
Any reasonable observer should have been able to conclude before this latest shooting that we are indeed "in serious trouble".
I realize that many people need to believe that maga is a very small percentage of the US population, a group which was begun by Trump and will disappear when he is gone. Everyone has their own coping mechanism.
JustBeGood
(18 posts)Normal/mainstream ideology?
Coventina
(28,710 posts)What a bunch of baloney!!
JustAnotherGen
(37,075 posts)It was a false flag.
Burnnotice
(28 posts)There going to use this to push through the House appropriatations bill to Federally ban adult gender affirming care. I hope the Democrats stand strong against this.
Moostache
(10,783 posts)And I quit huffing bat quano back in '97...
Jilly_in_VA
(13,054 posts)It's totally a false flag as far as I'm concerned.
still-prayin4rain
(505 posts)civil war and I did this because I was brainwashed by the mainstream media who hate President Trump. Really and truly that's why I did this. This is not a RW nut job (again), for sure not. I repeat, this is for sure the fault of "the left." "
So, given that engraving, I guess that solves it.
mike_c
(36,750 posts)
Deminpenn
(17,010 posts)messages on individual cartridges? Even if the messages weren't literally engraved, you have to be able to write in teeny letters using a pen or sharpie.
D. Spaulding
(387 posts)rings phony.
Kali
(56,454 posts)ok...
gab13by13
(29,808 posts)Magats can push the narrative the shooter was a left wing terrorist. Did they find the bullet yet? Does it match the shell?
ImNotGod
(1,118 posts)maxsolomon
(37,356 posts)leave no evidence. disappear.
Fullduplexxx
(8,568 posts)maxsolomon
(37,356 posts)it's going to be "tied" to the left no matter what. the right has the loudest megaphones.
muriel_volestrangler
(104,746 posts)According to a preliminary internal report circulated inside the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, federal and local officials recovered ammunition with the rifle that appeared to be engraved with statements expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology.
But the New York Times reports that a senior law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the investigation cautioned that report had not been verified by A.T.F. analysts, did not match other summaries of the evidence, and might turn out to have been misread or misinterpreted. In fast-moving investigations, such status reports are not made public because they often contain a mixture of accurate and inaccurate information.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-shot-latest-news-updates-utah-university-donald-trump?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-68c2fa4b8f086519d32701af#block-68c2fa4b8f086519d32701af
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Historic NY
(39,279 posts)like inspiring copy cats or designed to throw off LE looking in the wrong direction.
Brian Thompson killer engraved his bullets. deny, dispose , defend
maxrandb
(16,842 posts)why kick them out of the military?
Sorry. I am just being ornery today.
I believe that shit about the rifle and ammo, about as much as I believe the orange pedophile was an FBI informant working to save young girls from another pedophile.
The only way I could see Donnie Dipshit working against Epstein, would be as a way to remove his competition for underage girls.
mike_c
(36,750 posts)Cartridges engraved with transgender and anti-fascist ideology? Just like Mangione engraved his? That's just too convenient a story that aligns way too well with the administration's anti-trans narratives. Show me the brass. And Kirk was shot in the middle of making shit up about trans shooters? Just too damned convenient.