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usaf-vet

(7,672 posts)
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 10:41 AM Thursday

Please stop it with the hands. I am a 78-year-old former USAF Medic. Easier bruising is part of growing old and your...

..... skin gets thinner, and your veins are often more difficult to insert an IV. The back of the hand is a favorite site for IVs to be started. It is easier to "strap" your hand to a "board" meant to prevent movement in the IV site.

It is often a chosen site if you are intending to insert an intravenous catheter for an extended test that may require multiple doses of a medication, OR a radioactive tracker that is sensitive to specific tissues, accompanied by an imaging test, like a PET scan or an MRI.

I have specific knowledge of a recent new imaging test using a PET scan and a radioactive isotope that "lights up" prostate cancer cells.

NOW, UNDERSTAND THIS! I stand with everyone who wants to see this evil excuse for a human being to go away for good.

But pointing to the bruising on the back of a hand is pointless. There is no definitive proof that he is knocking on death's door.

The swelling of his ankles and his gait are indicators that all is not well. Additionally, I believe he has an indwelling urinary catheter attached to a leg bag that is typically attached to the calf or ankle on one leg or the other. If you know what you are looking for, it can be pretty evident as the bag becomes fuller.
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Please stop it with the hands. I am a 78-year-old former USAF Medic. Easier bruising is part of growing old and your... (Original Post) usaf-vet Thursday OP
Thank you. milestogo Thursday #1
This member of the reality based community thanks you Fiendish Thingy Thursday #2
It's the coverup and the lies Arazi Thursday #3
Questioning the president is a right. But speculating that he's dying onenote Thursday #5
Bruising, fluid retention, foot dragging, asymmetrical facial features, an obvious urine catheter Arazi Thursday #6
He also wasn't seen in public for days. MorbidButterflyTat Thursday #30
Exactly MorbidButterflyTat Thursday #26
Hopeium and or Copeium is in play here perhaps? Brainfodder Thursday #4
In one of last weekend's photos... Hugin Thursday #7
Not necessarily, but the new technology is very good at finding even the small spots. So unlike years ago the blood.... usaf-vet Thursday #14
Dr. B, is that you? :) BannonsLiver Thursday #8
You owe me a keyboard! Solomon Thursday #22
That dandy hasn't done a day's work in his lifetime. He is weak and flabby from a life of dissipation and junk food. usonian Thursday #9
Granted, this is indeed common among older people indusurb Thursday #10
There is no question he has a Foley PCIntern Thursday #11
Yes. It's not like he doesn't have numerous other far worse issues GoCubsGo Thursday #12
I was a pincushion as a child nitpicked Thursday #13
You are absolutely right. MineralMan Thursday #15
The thing that scares me and confuses me. I have spent a life stopping to help the helpless. But would I or could I..... usaf-vet Thursday #16
I hear you. MineralMan Thursday #17
It's the sum of many things JustAnotherGen Thursday #18
The post are more about deception C_U_L8R Thursday #19
I say there's nothing wrong with him that couldn't be treated with struggle4progress Thursday #20
Oh come on! Happy Hoosier Thursday #21
'Over and over' assumes Oeditpus Rex Thursday #24
It's not a conspiracy Happy Hoosier Thursday #29
I didn't say he isn't Oeditpus Rex Yesterday #33
Hands are a last option for IV treatments. Ms. Toad Thursday #25
It just means his arm veins are collapsing. Happy Hoosier Thursday #28
Or he's just banging his hands a lot, and he's older and bruises more easily. n/t Ms. Toad Thursday #32
You should work for the White House Press Office. Happy Hoosier Yesterday #34
It's the compulsion to be a contrarian about EVERYTHING. BannonsLiver Yesterday #35
Thank you Oeditpus Rex Thursday #23
It may seem pointless, but it is actually an integral part of sussing out what the FUCK is wrong with the sicko ogre Blues Heron Thursday #27
I currently have a colorful black eye. greatauntoftriplets Thursday #31
The fact that the mention of Trump's hands irritates Agent Orange is . . . peggysue2 Yesterday #36
And one bruises much easier when your on blood thinners republianmushroom Yesterday #37
I'm on some mean blood thinners, and I get bruises out of nowhere every day. Iggo Yesterday #38
It's not about you FrankBooth Yesterday #39
The bruises are not the hill to die on! LeftInTX Yesterday #40
You're right, it's his cankles. BannonsLiver Yesterday #41

Fiendish Thingy

(20,608 posts)
2. This member of the reality based community thanks you
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 10:53 AM
Thursday

But don’t expect the recreational speculation to end.

Arazi

(8,333 posts)
3. It's the coverup and the lies
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 11:01 AM
Thursday

He’s 6’3” and 229 lbs!!11!1

They’re not telling the American people what’s wrong and we can all plainly see he’s getting medical treatments that he and his staff are insisting aren’t happening (“just a lot of handshaking!”)

After tearing Biden to shreds for ANY tiny mishap or stumble about his age, the willing suspension of curiosity about whatever’s ailing Traitor is irritating (at best). Beyond that, the media’s now months-long decision to just parrot the lies, laundering them into “truth” is destructive to our democracy.

Questioning our President is an American right. Especially when he’s obviously lying

onenote

(45,617 posts)
5. Questioning the president is a right. But speculating that he's dying
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 11:03 AM
Thursday

based on bruising on his hands is just stupid.

Arazi

(8,333 posts)
6. Bruising, fluid retention, foot dragging, asymmetrical facial features, an obvious urine catheter
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 11:09 AM
Thursday

Come on, it’s not just “bruising on his hands”

And again, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. I’ll never forgive the media/Republicans for destroying Biden over his stutter and letting this bullshit slide.

MorbidButterflyTat

(3,625 posts)
30. He also wasn't seen in public for days.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 08:53 PM
Thursday

And he looks like a sack of shit.

Like it or not, he's squatting in OUR White House, and we have a right to know what's going on with his health.

We're all adults here, we don't need to be shamed and scolded.

Hugin

(36,855 posts)
7. In one of last weekend's photos...
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 11:13 AM
Thursday

Even though he was behind people and pretty well obscured, I saw an unusual fold at the knee of a leg of Trump’s pants. The thigh area down to half way through his knee was firm and squared looking and then it fell away to normal loose looking folds the rest of the way down his shin.

As a disconfirmation exercise, I suppose it could be explained by a stiff satin liner that some high end slacks have sewn into them. I have some like that, however, the lining in mine stops mid-thigh. It could also be a catheter bag.

Of all the cancers, if it is indeed prostate cancer, it would be the most difficult for him to reconcile himself to. I doubt he at 79 years old had even been regularly screened.

If they are using a PET scan, could it be stage four and metastatic?

usaf-vet

(7,672 posts)
14. Not necessarily, but the new technology is very good at finding even the small spots. So unlike years ago the blood....
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 12:51 PM
Thursday

.... test can only tell you you likely have prostate cancer, but where and how progressed it is requires new technology—a PET scan with an INJECTED radioactive isotope (often in the back of the hand).

The reason I even address the issue is that the black and blue on the back of the hand is not a sure indicator that he is on death's door.

usonian

(20,082 posts)
9. That dandy hasn't done a day's work in his lifetime. He is weak and flabby from a life of dissipation and junk food.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 11:38 AM
Thursday

I'm 76 and could trim tree limbs if I cared to today.

Apologies to the Air Force, he could use some basic training at the Marine Corps boot camp.



Or spend some time building up instead of tearing down.



And shoot a three-pointer?



He'll be on caffeine drip in no time.



Bless all our seniors who have led good, honest, hard-working and unselfish lives.

indusurb

(235 posts)
10. Granted, this is indeed common among older people
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 11:44 AM
Thursday

It is also common among people on a blood thinner.

But the underlying question is why is he getting an IV stick for? This bruising shows up on a pretty regular basis, about the third week of every month. So whatever he is getting treated for is an ongoing and chronic condition. What is that condition?

PCIntern

(27,581 posts)
11. There is no question he has a Foley
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 11:47 AM
Thursday

I had one for a short time, and it looks exactly like that under my pants.

As you know as a medical professional, cardiovascular stuff who rubs when you and everyone else least expect it. If something happens, it will be a surprise… It always is.

GoCubsGo

(34,247 posts)
12. Yes. It's not like he doesn't have numerous other far worse issues
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 12:00 PM
Thursday

that are cause for concern. Like the late night, lunatic social media screeds. Or, his inability to walk in a straight line, and drags his leg. Or, his inability to speak coherently. Or, the fact that he generally looks like he's rotting away. Those things are FAR more disturbing than bruised hands, even in light of the lengths he and his handlers are going through to hide those bruises.

nitpicked

(1,343 posts)
13. I was a pincushion as a child
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 12:10 PM
Thursday

Until they figured out to draw blood from the OTHER arm.

Now that that's less successful, I'm usually a hand person myself.

MineralMan

(149,705 posts)
15. You are absolutely right.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 01:31 PM
Thursday

I'm 80, so I can vouch for unexpected bruising on hands and arms.

As you point out, too, IVs in the veins on the back of the hand tend to infiltrate fairly often. That's what the bruising I saw on is hand looked like. Exactly.

People are quite naturally hoping for some terminal illness to be present in Trump. It's entirely possible that such an illness is in progress, but without more information, it's impossible to predict his demise. He has access to any health care that is known to man. So, he probably can be kept alive and functioning when most people would have been put on palliative care.

But, that's why people keep pointing out this stuff. For old folks like us, though, it doesn't look that strange for Trump to have such signs. Personally, I think we'd be better off by focusing on what he is doing, rather than how he looks.

Will he die soon? Maybe, but I have no idea. Will he do one terrible thing after another in the meantime? Absolutely he will

usaf-vet

(7,672 posts)
16. The thing that scares me and confuses me. I have spent a life stopping to help the helpless. But would I or could I.....
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 03:34 PM
Thursday

.... simply walk away from him even if I knew I might be able to call 911 and extend that life until Paramedics arrive...... Or would I just walk away, thinking finally that evil cancer is gone.

Does that make sense?

MineralMan

(149,705 posts)
17. I hear you.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 03:55 PM
Thursday

It's a dilemma for lots of people, I think. I don't have a good answer, since I am certain I will never be in that position with regard to Trump.

JustAnotherGen

(36,877 posts)
18. It's the sum of many things
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 04:03 PM
Thursday

It's not directed at you -

It's directed at a lying little rapist.

C_U_L8R

(47,996 posts)
19. The post are more about deception
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 04:09 PM
Thursday

and how a vain coward faces inevitable death.

We're all going to grow old and die.
Only the world will be better when some of us do.

struggle4progress

(124,310 posts)
20. I say there's nothing wrong with him that couldn't be treated with
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 04:10 PM
Thursday

a glossectomy, regular electroshock therapy, large daily doses of thorazine, and a lobotomy

Happy Hoosier

(9,068 posts)
21. Oh come on!
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 04:14 PM
Thursday

The same giant bruise on the same hand in the smar place over and over?

Absolute horse shit. He is 100% getting routine intravenous treatments of somemkind.

Oeditpus Rex

(42,604 posts)
24. 'Over and over' assumes
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 06:56 PM
Thursday

the photos we've seen weren't made at pretty much the same time, with a "new" one released each week or so by conspiracy pushers.

Oeditpus Rex

(42,604 posts)
33. I didn't say he isn't
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 05:48 AM
Yesterday

We've seen several signs of his chronic mental illness, but I haven't seen anything but a few photos indicating a physical illness, and these could've been made or altered in a way to give the impression of chronic illness (as opposed to acute).

Put another way, I don't assume "chronic illness" based on a couple of photos of the back of a hand, and one of his face looking puffy. It's just not enough for me to draw that conclusion. (Not assuming is an old occupational hazard.)

Of course, at 79 years old and with his reported diet, it's more liikely he'd ve chronically ill. Who would be surprised if he keeled over from a "cardiac event" while writing his next barrage of psychopathic posts?

Ms. Toad

(37,634 posts)
25. Hands are a last option for IV treatments.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 08:33 PM
Thursday

My daughter (and a whole lot of other people I know) get regular infusions. The only time my daughter has had an infusion in her arm was when there was an IV already inserted there because she was hospitalized and that's where the ER department put the initial IV - so rather than start a second, they used the one that was there.

Her regular infusions (for about 8 years, at least every 3-8 weeks) are in her arm. Same story with other people I know getting infusions.

Not to mention that someone as vain as Trump would not voluntarily allow them to repeatedly bruise his hand when he could easily have the bruise in his arm where his clothing hides it.

Happy Hoosier

(9,068 posts)
28. It just means his arm veins are collapsing.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 08:50 PM
Thursday

Last edited Thu Sep 4, 2025, 10:14 PM - Edit history (1)

My father in law had to get IV’s in his hand. The veins in his arm just collapsed. Trump is chronically ill.

Happy Hoosier

(9,068 posts)
34. You should work for the White House Press Office.
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 08:34 AM
Yesterday

That's nonsense, and I think you know it.

BannonsLiver

(19,603 posts)
35. It's the compulsion to be a contrarian about EVERYTHING.
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 11:43 AM
Yesterday

Must be exhausting to experience IRL.

Oeditpus Rex

(42,604 posts)
23. Thank you
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 06:49 PM
Thursday

My dad (an Army medic in WWII, btw) bruised and cut the backs of his hands and forearms quite easily from his 60s on. He worked at a Spreckels Sugar factory for nearly 30 years before retiring. During the periods they weren't actually making sugar because rhey'd exhausted that year's beet crop, he often worked in the machine shop, and commonly came home with a new bruise or bandage. It was a bit of a running family joke.

Blues Heron

(7,408 posts)
27. It may seem pointless, but it is actually an integral part of sussing out what the FUCK is wrong with the sicko ogre
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 08:45 PM
Thursday

Thanks for adding another data point. A picture is emerging of a deeply unwell POTUS

peggysue2

(12,141 posts)
36. The fact that the mention of Trump's hands irritates Agent Orange is . . .
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 12:05 PM
Yesterday

Enough for me to keep repeating it. His tiny hands, his bruised hands, yada, yada.

Childish? Yes. An effective irritant to a narcissist? Yes.

We know it irritates bc now he's mentioning Gavin Newsom's hands claiming Newsom is doing weird things when he hand gestures.

This from Accordion Man.

I bruise easily, always have. The point of riding a child-man on his ugly hands is getting into his head. So I am unapologetic about the taunts directed at someone who lies and insults the way most people breathe.

Trump had it coming. And he's getting it aimed squarely at his ego and undisclosed medical problems.

Bully the bully.

republianmushroom

(21,245 posts)
37. And one bruises much easier when your on blood thinners
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 12:12 PM
Yesterday

for heart and other health problems, not just aging.

Iggo

(49,139 posts)
38. I'm on some mean blood thinners, and I get bruises out of nowhere every day.
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 12:35 PM
Yesterday

And most of ‘em don’t even hurt. They’re just there for a while, and then they’re gone.

But it’s fun making liars lie some more. So I’m okay with riding his lying ass.

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