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FadedMullet

(497 posts)
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 02:44 AM Sep 4

This opinion piece from "The Guardian" (Australia) says that Hakeem Jefferies and Chuck Schumer should.....

.......step down and be replaced by new people who are willing to fight Trump's authoritarianism tooth and nail. The writers say that 62% of Democratic voters agree that Dem leadership should be replaced. Put me down as a Minnesota DFL voter who could not agree more.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/03/democrats-chuck-schumer-hakeem-jeffries

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This opinion piece from "The Guardian" (Australia) says that Hakeem Jefferies and Chuck Schumer should..... (Original Post) FadedMullet Sep 4 OP
Because we should always RandySF Sep 4 #1
The author has been a US citizen since 2020. It's Mehdi Hasan. (nt) muriel_volestrangler Sep 4 #8
Yeah, what Muriel said. Also, "The Guardian" reports on U.S. politics better than our mainstream media, period. FadedMullet Sep 4 #9
It would be pretty fucking hard to do it any worse. (nt) Paladin Sep 6 #88
they do a better job than what passes for a lot mainstream American "journalism" Skittles Sep 4 #13
..as does Haaretz and al Jazeera.. thomski64 Sep 4 #36
A lot of Americans, including Democrats want leadership replaced. Autumn Sep 4 #24
Who should replace them and what are these fighters hoping to do ? JI7 Sep 4 #2
I'm waiting for someone in the media to say JustAnotherGen Sep 4 #30
David Hogg's candidate lost in Arizona. Not a peep here about it. Nixie Sep 4 #49
Your last question begs the answer "not with Schuler and KPN Sep 4 #52
Agree Bread and Circuses Sep 4 #3
Why don't we just ask Chuck and Hakim to set themselves on fire? RandySF Sep 4 #4
No, they wouldn't burn hard enough. A status quo milquetoast self immolation does not meet the moment. betsuni Sep 4 #5
No one wants that. We just want leadership that's willing to fight this Autumn Sep 4 #25
Thank you. The intellectual dishonesty about "leadership" is Nixie Sep 4 #51
But then someone else's opinion MorbidButterflyTat Sep 5 #76
Feh LudwigPastorius Sep 4 #6
"Australia"? The Guardian is a UK publication, and the author is a US-British journalist now based in the USA muriel_volestrangler Sep 4 #7
I read the article in the Australian edition of the paper. The Wiki article you cite mentions it as one of..... FadedMullet Sep 4 #10
You read an Australian edition of the UK Guardian malaise Sep 4 #11
That's what I said, no? FadedMullet Sep 4 #12
That does not exist malaise Sep 4 #14
Mlle. Malaise - I like you. You're not often wrong, but you do own up to it when you are. FadedMullet Sep 6 #90
It what we're supposed to do malaise Sep 6 #91
The article is on every web 'edition' of the Guardian, which is a British paper. Celerity Sep 4 #23
There are some excellent "foreign" journalists. democrank Sep 4 #15
The UK Guardian is the most credible source malaise Sep 4 #16
The press has a history of removing Democratic politicians perdita9 Sep 4 #17
Post removed Post removed Sep 4 #18
You mean the US corporate media malaise Sep 4 #20
And let Republicans skate for doing much worse! ananda Sep 4 #22
Every single fucking time JustAnotherGen Sep 4 #29
This is why I've been boycottting msm for years. ananda Sep 4 #46
If we aren't listening to Urban Radio on Sirius in the morning JustAnotherGen Sep 4 #47
Even if Authentic Strongly Worded Yelling Fighting Spirit Superheroes Way to Go are anointed, betsuni Sep 4 #19
F*ck Mehdi Hasan SocialDemocrat61 Sep 4 #21
Thank-you. lostincalifornia Sep 4 #27
Cable news anchors who faithfully read from their teleprompters gab13by13 Sep 4 #35
Ratigan was OK SocialDemocrat61 Sep 4 #37
That doesn't make him wrong about this. FadedMullet Sep 4 #48
So a bigot who has a history of SocialDemocrat61 Sep 5 #61
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehdi_Hasan FadedMullet Sep 5 #63
I know who he is SocialDemocrat61 Sep 5 #64
Did you watch the video I linked to? FadedMullet Sunday #92
Why? SocialDemocrat61 Sunday #94
No, it was a video of Hasan that a reasonable person might watch and see that their rather extreme...... FadedMullet Monday #95
Big deal SocialDemocrat61 Monday #96
So you didn't watch it. You asked for forgiveness and I do forgive you. Maintaining your absolutist position is...... FadedMullet Monday #97
No. I'm under no obligation to watch anything SocialDemocrat61 Monday #99
The seventy Democrats here, who recommended my O.P., are perhaps less close-minded and absolutist. FadedMullet Tuesday #100
I could care less SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #106
Don't you mean "I could not care less", implying the least possible interest? Oh, and one more thing. You keep.... FadedMullet Wednesday #109
Bye! SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?vwolqWDmbp4A FadedMullet Sep 5 #65
Can you show some examples of this bashing? Violet_Crumble Sep 5 #68
You're entitled to your opinion of Hasan SocialDemocrat61 Sep 5 #69
That's not what I asked you. Violet_Crumble Sep 5 #70
You're free to ask me what ever you like SocialDemocrat61 Sep 5 #71
It's just a way to try to shut people up. writerJT Sep 5 #78
You know he apologized for his views on LGBTQ and abortion, right? Cuthbert Allgood Sep 5 #81
Yeah, he apologized but SocialDemocrat61 Sep 6 #82
I see that you have dropped the "overpaid" from your description of Hasan as a "TV celebrity", but it's still irrelevant FadedMullet Tuesday #104
No he's still overpaid. SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #107
The replacements will face the same obstacles, with less name recognition and experience bucolic_frolic Sep 4 #26
We are fighting a fascist dictatorship JustAnotherGen Sep 4 #28
Your post bashes the Democratic party. gab13by13 Sep 4 #32
It is most certainly does not bash the Democratic Party. sheshe2 Sep 4 #56
I am with you, JAG. sheshe2 Sep 5 #58
Republican leadership needs replacement, RNC conspiracies rigging fundraising -- where's noise about that? betsuni Sep 5 #59
People pull out studies/polls JustAnotherGen Sep 5 #62
I thought unpopularity of political parties was an international trend as well. betsuni Sep 5 #67
Correct! JustAnotherGen Sep 6 #83
"Far left." Jeezus. Iggo Sep 5 #80
What's the problem? JustAnotherGen Sep 6 #87
What "far left" are we referring to? BlueTsunami2018 Monday #98
Why didn't Schumer and Jeffries gab13by13 Sep 4 #31
Guardian is from the UK, not Australia. marmar Sep 4 #33
And reports better on US politics Jilly_in_VA Sep 4 #38
Agreed. marmar Sep 4 #39
Agreed. And Schumer did a fake on the CR a few months ago. yellow dahlia Sep 4 #53
Yes, that CR. nt sprinkleeninow Sep 4 #55
This was discussed above. The Guardian has 5 editions. I read Hasan's piece in the Australian edition, but...... FadedMullet Sep 4 #50
Wonderful article that demonstrates how little the two leaders have done to LEAD. There is no Nanjeanne Sep 4 #34
There is the Schumer plan gab13by13 Sep 4 #41
Yup yellow dahlia Sep 4 #54
more advice from this person for Democrats to surrender our leadership bigtree Sep 4 #40
Didn't Nancy Pelosi basically say the same thing? gab13by13 Sep 4 #42
the 'opinion' writer is a serial ratfucker bigtree Sep 4 #45
You're wasting your time Keepthesoulalive Sep 4 #57
I think MorbidButterflyTat Sep 5 #75
We lost to a complete buffoon twice. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 6 #84
Are you saying this is the democrats fault Keepthesoulalive Sep 6 #89
A lot of magical thinking going on here. How does something like this happen? Srkdqltr Sep 4 #43
If the 2026 midterms don't go well, the Democratic Senate and House caucuses can oust Schumer and Jeffries by voting for Midwestern Democrat Sep 5 #60
Yes, but it will be someone "boring" because that's what the jobs entail. LeftInTX Sep 5 #72
If we lose 2026 JustAnotherGen Sep 6 #86
Close your eyes MorbidButterflyTat Sep 5 #74
Like promising: I'm going to break up the big banks! Abolish billionaires! Cancel all student loan debt! betsuni Sep 5 #77
Democrats are in a good place to take back the House in 26 Quiet Em Sep 4 #44
We had to listen to Nancy Pelosi whine-bashed constantly that she had no "next generation of leadership" to betsuni Sep 5 #66
What "new people"? MorbidButterflyTat Sep 5 #73
Help Wanted: Fresh new faces new blood new fresh people for leadership position. No experience necessary. betsuni Sep 5 #79
"Tooth and nail" means feel good performance art SocialDemocrat61 Sep 6 #85
Jeffries could be in danger of losing his seat next year Renew Deal Sunday #93
Nothing to add aurora the great Tuesday #101
Thanks, Aurora. Not everyone here agrees, but that's what we are supposed to be all about. You know, as Democrats. FadedMullet Tuesday #103
Quite an opnion. Torchlight Tuesday #102
Agreed. Schumer and Jeffries are damaged goods. Paladin Tuesday #105
To quote The Godfather SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #108

FadedMullet

(497 posts)
9. Yeah, what Muriel said. Also, "The Guardian" reports on U.S. politics better than our mainstream media, period.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 04:36 AM
Sep 4

Skittles

(167,280 posts)
13. they do a better job than what passes for a lot mainstream American "journalism"
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 04:58 AM
Sep 4

indeed they do

Autumn

(48,341 posts)
24. A lot of Americans, including Democrats want leadership replaced.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:06 AM
Sep 4

As for foreign countries being concerned about our politics and politicians? They have a direct impact on other countries world wide. They are right to be concerned.

JI7

(92,583 posts)
2. Who should replace them and what are these fighters hoping to do ?
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 03:04 AM
Sep 4

Are these fighters unable to do this fighting from where they are now ?

JustAnotherGen

(36,989 posts)
30. I'm waiting for someone in the media to say
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:15 AM
Sep 4

David Hogg.

You know it's coming.

We listened to them about John Fetterman - and look at what a massive disappointment he's been.

The media knows nothing and are in it for themselves.

Nixie

(17,837 posts)
49. David Hogg's candidate lost in Arizona. Not a peep here about it.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 11:23 PM
Sep 4

But I do think your assessment is very accurate.

KPN

(16,910 posts)
52. Your last question begs the answer "not with Schuler and
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 11:32 PM
Sep 4

Jeffries at the helm”, but what do I know? Well, I do know what my instincts tell me. And they are in agreement with the OP.

RandySF

(77,147 posts)
4. Why don't we just ask Chuck and Hakim to set themselves on fire?
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 03:30 AM
Sep 4

Because it seems nothing short of that will be enough "determination" to satisfy columnist who aren't even in the country.

betsuni

(28,303 posts)
5. No, they wouldn't burn hard enough. A status quo milquetoast self immolation does not meet the moment.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 03:51 AM
Sep 4

Autumn

(48,341 posts)
25. No one wants that. We just want leadership that's willing to fight this
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:08 AM
Sep 4

fascist bullshit.

Nixie

(17,837 posts)
51. Thank you. The intellectual dishonesty about "leadership" is
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 11:28 PM
Sep 4

tiresome. They knew Trump was the alternative. They just don’t like their FAFO and want to put blame elsewhere for putting Democrats in the minority.

MorbidButterflyTat

(3,646 posts)
76. But then someone else's opinion
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 09:42 PM
Sep 5

will be they didn't use the right accelerant, and the wind wasn't blowing in the right direction so it wasn't fiery enough, and they didn't burn long enough, and they did it while I was at work and I missed the whole thing so it's utterly meaningless and all is lost and hopeless until someone fights tooth and nail, dammit!!

FadedMullet

(497 posts)
10. I read the article in the Australian edition of the paper. The Wiki article you cite mentions it as one of.....
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 04:39 AM
Sep 4

......five editions that are available.

malaise

(288,877 posts)
14. That does not exist
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 05:01 AM
Sep 4

Last edited Thu Sep 4, 2025, 06:19 AM - Edit history (1)


Add
Apparently there is an Australian web edition of The Guardian - my bad.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news

democrank

(11,754 posts)
15. There are some excellent "foreign" journalists.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 05:16 AM
Sep 4

I find it helpful to evaluate a variety of perspectives when formulating conclusions. That’s especially true now with my party’s approval rating below 30%. I’m asking myself why? What needs to change?


perdita9

(1,302 posts)
17. The press has a history of removing Democratic politicians
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 05:28 AM
Sep 4

They went after Howard Dean for a weird yell he did at a rally

They went along with Bush's campaign to swiftboat John Kerry , knowing the whole thing was a lie

"But her emails" and " Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi" took out Hilary Clinton

A couple of weeks before the election, I watched Washington Week reporters savage Kamala Harris for not being forceful enough in her answers in some interview, never mentioning Trump publicly praising Arnold Palmer's genitalia.

Newsrooms are controlled by uber wealthy people who want tax breaks. Any Democrat with a platform to even the playing field gets targeted.

Response to perdita9 (Reply #17)

JustAnotherGen

(36,989 posts)
29. Every single fucking time
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:14 AM
Sep 4

The NEVER call out what is happening in America as the fascist dictatorship it is.

This 'policy' leadership bullshit only accomplishes fragmenting the party.

It's by design. If Dems had it all and their perfect utopia existed? A lot of these people would lose their jobs.

JustAnotherGen

(36,989 posts)
47. If we aren't listening to Urban Radio on Sirius in the morning
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 12:41 PM
Sep 4

We have BBC World on our television.

betsuni

(28,303 posts)
19. Even if Authentic Strongly Worded Yelling Fighting Spirit Superheroes Way to Go are anointed,
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 05:43 AM
Sep 4

they cannot pass the purity test. None shall pass.

Again, the problem is Republicans, they could stop Trump right now. They have the power. They could meet the moment. The Democratic Party has nothing to do with it.

SocialDemocrat61

(5,614 posts)
21. F*ck Mehdi Hasan
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 06:32 AM
Sep 4

He’s an anti-choice homophobe who regularly ranted against Biden and the Democratic Party.

gab13by13

(29,736 posts)
35. Cable news anchors who faithfully read from their teleprompters
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:23 AM
Sep 4

never get fired. The ones who stray from the narrative they are given, the ones who speak truth to power are fired.

My favorite was Dylan Ratigan who was touring the country exposing crony capitalism. he stepped on too many powerful peoples' toes like Mehdi did. Dylan was in tears saying goodbye, I miss him, he was authentic, something lacking in most cable news anchors.

SocialDemocrat61

(5,614 posts)
61. So a bigot who has a history of
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 03:10 AM
Sep 5

bashing democrats is now right about bashing democrats. Yeah right. 🤦‍♂️

FadedMullet

(497 posts)
95. No, it was a video of Hasan that a reasonable person might watch and see that their rather extreme......
Mon Sep 8, 2025, 01:14 AM
Monday

.......position condemning him, absolutely, as a player and observer of our, and more importantly, his political world, might be throttled back a bit after further consideration. Did you watch it and have a different reaction?

SocialDemocrat61

(5,614 posts)
96. Big deal
Mon Sep 8, 2025, 03:18 AM
Monday

I’ve seen enough videos of him attacking Biden and democrats. One video of him will not erase all the others. You’ll have to forgive me, but I’m here to support democrats and the Democratic Party not to be an apologist for an overpaid tv celebrity who attacks democrats.

FadedMullet

(497 posts)
97. So you didn't watch it. You asked for forgiveness and I do forgive you. Maintaining your absolutist position is......
Mon Sep 8, 2025, 03:36 PM
Monday

.......difficult, as evidenced by you having to refer to him as an "overpaid tv celebrity", as if that had something to do with it.

FadedMullet

(497 posts)
100. The seventy Democrats here, who recommended my O.P., are perhaps less close-minded and absolutist.
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 03:33 PM
Tuesday

SocialDemocrat61

(5,614 posts)
106. I could care less
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 04:49 PM
Tuesday

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. And I’m not threatened by someone having a different opinion than I do. So if someone wants to support a bigot who attacks democrats, that’s their right.

FadedMullet

(497 posts)
109. Don't you mean "I could not care less", implying the least possible interest? Oh, and one more thing. You keep....
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 03:55 AM
Wednesday

......saying "I'm here only to support Democrats", which is nice, here in a forum filled with only Democrats. I'd suggest that supporting them, at least here among friends, is to acknowledge some of their shortcomings and encourage change.
Beyond that, I'm done.

Violet_Crumble

(36,341 posts)
68. Can you show some examples of this bashing?
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 07:43 PM
Sep 5

Also, when it comes to the accusation of being a bigot, do you have any examples of him being homophobic? I personally don't give a shit if he is opposed to abortion, though would change my mind on that if he wanted it made illegal and actively spoke out about it.

My view of Hasan is he's incredibly intelligent, makes compelling arguments backed up with facts, and is easily more articulate and effective than anyone else I've seen and heard. I suspect some dislike him because he's progressive, Muslim, speaks the truth about Israel's war crimes, and can be critical of Democrats when they deserve criticism.

Did you watch the Jubilee episode? It was awesome, but pretty disturbing.

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SocialDemocrat61

(5,614 posts)
69. You're entitled to your opinion of Hasan
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 07:51 PM
Sep 5

Just as I’m entitled to mine. I’m here to support democrats and the Democratic Party not to defend an overpaid tv talking head who always thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room from any and all criticism. But to each his own.

Violet_Crumble

(36,341 posts)
70. That's not what I asked you.
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 07:53 PM
Sep 5

Yr making accusations and I asked for some examples. Have you got any or are those accusations of bigotry and bashing Dems just yr opinion?

SocialDemocrat61

(5,614 posts)
71. You're free to ask me what ever you like
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 08:11 PM
Sep 5

But I’m in no way obligated to answer. As I said I’m here to support democrats not to be a corporate media minon.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,326 posts)
81. You know he apologized for his views on LGBTQ and abortion, right?
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 11:34 PM
Sep 5

Like it was a 2009 sermon, and he said like 5 years ago that he is not proud of those views and no longer holds them.

As to bashing Biden, I remember him being very unhappy about Biden's policy on Gaza (many here aren't happy about that) and he wasn't a fan of his pardon of Hunter (I, also, thought that was a horrible move with terrible optics).

FadedMullet

(497 posts)
104. I see that you have dropped the "overpaid" from your description of Hasan as a "TV celebrity", but it's still irrelevant
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 03:57 PM
Tuesday

bucolic_frolic

(52,320 posts)
26. The replacements will face the same obstacles, with less name recognition and experience
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:10 AM
Sep 4

I don't see how this advances the ball.

JustAnotherGen

(36,989 posts)
28. We are fighting a fascist dictatorship
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:12 AM
Sep 4

This is NOT the time for ANY Democratic Elected official who serves in D.C. to step down.


Where's the article saying that Thune and Johnson are little fascist pigs and they need to be dominated and brought to heel like the rabid little fascists they are?

Put me down as Blue Jerseyan who believes in State's Rights and that we should band together with other Northeast states (not PA - too risky) and soft secede.

If the FAR left was so great - they would have swept every election since 2016.

betsuni

(28,303 posts)
59. Republican leadership needs replacement, RNC conspiracies rigging fundraising -- where's noise about that?
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 12:48 AM
Sep 5

Only Democrats need constant daily nagging and bashing, eh?

The far right Tea Party types took over the Republican Party because voters wanted that. A take over of the Democratic Party didn't happen because voters didn't and don't want it. The fairy tales about the Democratic old guard/establishment/centrists/DNC boogeyman somehow rigging everything "holding members back" and so on is stupid.

JustAnotherGen

(36,989 posts)
62. People pull out studies/polls
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 08:16 AM
Sep 5

Last edited Fri Sep 5, 2025, 10:38 AM - Edit history (1)

That people don't like the Democratic Party.

Oh really? Because the Democratic Party and Republican Party actually WIN elections.

Also - most Americans don't like ANY political party.

So when I see the Greens, DSA, Libertarians, etc. etc. put up some ground shaking big wins and take overs of local, state, and fed gov - I'll pay attention to them.

Show me your party can win on its own - and then I'll pay attention to their voters.

betsuni

(28,303 posts)
67. I thought unpopularity of political parties was an international trend as well.
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 07:37 PM
Sep 5

Absurd to try to convince us that the Democratic Party is somehow so horrible everybody hates them now.

JustAnotherGen

(36,989 posts)
87. What's the problem?
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 07:44 AM
Sep 6

Can you point me to the Green Party or DSA Elected Official? The one that ran as a third party?

On the Right - Can you show me the Libertarian? That ass wipe in Kentucky runs as a Republican - not a third party Libertarian.

Working Families has put up big wins - but I don't view them as Far Left. They are staunch liberals (Pro Union, Public Education, Fair wages, etc etc) 12 of their candidates for the Party within the Party won seats in the NYC council in 2010. Our Congressional Candidate in 2024, in my district in NJ, is WFP aligned. She's now a high ranking employee of my Senator Andy Kim.

Angus King runs as an Independent. He's not owned by anyone.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,602 posts)
98. What "far left" are we referring to?
Mon Sep 8, 2025, 03:38 PM
Monday

There isn’t anything resembling actual left policies in this country let alone far left.

gab13by13

(29,736 posts)
31. Why didn't Schumer and Jeffries
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:16 AM
Sep 4

do what Rho Khanna did yesterday?

I have been saying for over a month that Congressional Democrats should organize a forum with the Epstein victims, victims' lawyers, prosecutors and get a major TV network to cover it.

What Massey and Khanna did yesterday was fantastic, but it was held out in the grass of the Capitol, and with the distractions of Krasnov's flyovers.

We need 2 more Congressional Magats to sign the discharge petition to get the Epstein files released. Thank you Rho Kanna for fighting.

Jilly_in_VA

(12,985 posts)
38. And reports better on US politics
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:32 AM
Sep 4

than almost any US media there is. "Fight me. Anyway, I agree with Medhi about Schumer. He's too much of a "go along to get along" sort to succeed these days. We need someone really fiery and he ain't it. Jeffries, I'm not so sure. If he had a strong counterpart in the Senate, he might be much better. I've heard him be really fiery himself. But Chuck is just too folksy, too grandfatherly, and, dare I say it, too much like Susan Collins, for these times.

yellow dahlia

(2,971 posts)
53. Agreed. And Schumer did a fake on the CR a few months ago.
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 11:35 PM
Sep 4

Schumer can't be trusted. He cares more about keeping power than doing the best thing for the country.

He and Jeffries both have been hoping the Repukes will implode so they (Dems) can win the midterms.

FadedMullet

(497 posts)
50. This was discussed above. The Guardian has 5 editions. I read Hasan's piece in the Australian edition, but......
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 11:24 PM
Sep 4

......someone here has said that it appeared in all of the editions.

Nanjeanne

(6,404 posts)
34. Wonderful article that demonstrates how little the two leaders have done to LEAD. There is no
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:21 AM
Sep 4

Democratic plan - no Democratic point of view - no Project XXXX outlining what a Democratic administration would be. No one is saying there aren’t some Democrats fighting hard. But there’s no PLAN. Not by Schumer or Jeffries or Martin of the DNC. It’s every Dem for themselves and it’s why we look feckless and disjointed and weak.

gab13by13

(29,736 posts)
41. There is the Schumer plan
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:37 AM
Sep 4

Back in March when he and a minority of Senate Democrats kneecapped the House and voted to allow passage of the CR and getting absolutely nothing in return, no protections for the social safety net, he went on Chris Hayes and explained why he gave Krasnov his CR.

Not my words, Schumer's, he told Hayes that he was afraid that Democrats would be blamed for a shutdown, he told Hayes that Krasnov will burn it all down and then that will enable Democrats to win the next election. That is the strategy, that is why I get a dozen texts every day to donate money to someone's campaign. The strategy is to throw money at the 2026 election.

Last March was the time for Democrats to take a stand and demand protections for our social safety net. I was told that Medicare and Social Security would be safe. Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security are being gutted and we can't do a damn thing about it because we didn't fight back last March.
Just my humble opinion.

I'm 78, I can get by without Social Security, I have a pension and a 401k. I can get by without Medicare, but it will be tougher, I have Union provided secondary insurance plan. I am thinking about the millions of people who won't be able to get by.

Krasnov wants people to die, those who die are deemed inferior and are not a part of the remaining master race.

bigtree

(92,467 posts)
40. more advice from this person for Democrats to surrender our leadership
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:36 AM
Sep 4

...fuck that.

Mehdi Hasan with Cuomo: 'I see no way back for Biden; replace him with Harris'



theintercept.com
Mehdi Hasan
Joe Biden Is Hillary Clinton 2.0 — Democrats Would Be Mad to Nominate Him

Forget, for a moment, his “blue-collar-uncle-at-the-end-of-the-bar persona.” Ignore also his recent, and ridiculous, claim to have the “most progressive record of anybody” running for president. Consider, instead, the sheer number of similarities he seems to have with the vanquished Democratic presidential candidate of 2016.

Iraq War supporter? Check. Clinton was pilloried by the left and the right alike as a wild-eyed hawk; her vote in favor of the Iraq invasion haunted both her 2008 and 2016 campaigns. In fact, a study by two academics in 2017 found a “significant and meaningful relationship between a community’s rate of military sacrifice and its support for Trump” and suggested that if Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin “had suffered even a modestly lower casualty rate,” they could have “sent Hillary Clinton to the White House.”

Let’s be clear: If he runs, Biden will be the only candidate — out of up to 20 Democrats running for the nomination — to have voted for the Iraq War. As the influential chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in the run-up to the invasion, Biden (falsely) claimed the United States had “no choice but to eliminate the threat” from Saddam Hussein. A former U.N. weapons inspector even accused the then-senator of running a “sham” committee hearing that provided “political cover for a massive military attack on Iraq.”

Friend of Wall Street? Check. Clinton had a Goldman Sachs problem; Biden has an MBNA problem. Headquartered in his home state of Delaware, the credit card giant MBNA was his biggest donor when he served in the Senate. In 2005, Biden threw his weight behind a bankruptcy bill, signed into law by President George W. Bush, that shamefully protected credit card companies at the expense of borrowers.
https://theintercept.com/2019/03/21/joe-biden-2020-hillary-clinton/


bigtree

(92,467 posts)
45. the 'opinion' writer is a serial ratfucker
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 10:14 AM
Sep 4

...just to make this clear, since the post above hasn't gotten any response.

And here we go again.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,780 posts)
57. You're wasting your time
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 11:59 PM
Sep 4

They want some magical savior to appear and fix this messed up country. Bernie was robbed , democrats are not fighting hard enough, we’re not progressive enough,
We are not focused on economic issues and Obamacare was a failure because it wasn’t universal healthcare. They find anything to complain about and look far and wide to find it. It is depressing and demoralizing when the sob is tearing the country apart and the Epstein files.

Keepthesoulalive

(1,780 posts)
89. Are you saying this is the democrats fault
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 09:24 AM
Sep 6

That the American people are so stupid they voted to cut their own throats. The first time may be a mistake, the second time is just crazy stupid. His racism ,sexism, ignorance, pettiness and incompetence was on display and almost destroyed the country. Please sir may I have another.

Srkdqltr

(8,873 posts)
43. A lot of magical thinking going on here. How does something like this happen?
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:39 AM
Sep 4

WHO .... makes them quit? Is there such a person?
WHO .... votes for their replacement?
WHO ... replaces them?
HOW DOES ALL THIS WORK?

60. If the 2026 midterms don't go well, the Democratic Senate and House caucuses can oust Schumer and Jeffries by voting for
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 01:51 AM
Sep 5

a challenger - of course, if it got to that point, Schumer and Jeffries would almost certainly "voluntarily" step down from their posts rather than being defeated in a caucus vote.

LeftInTX

(33,744 posts)
72. Yes, but it will be someone "boring" because that's what the jobs entail.
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 08:57 PM
Sep 5

They need a bunch of experience and with the experience comes routine etc. So, the public will then be disappointed.

JustAnotherGen

(36,989 posts)
86. If we lose 2026
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 06:36 AM
Sep 6

We'll have a full blown Northeast Alliance. Schumer and Jeffries will be pushed to join us. The US Democratic Party will be looking to Texas and Florida for leadership. That will be stage 2. Soft Secession is already happening.

Ramp up would be the stolen 2026 election by the Regime. If that happens, the Northeast like the West will be going it alone. I'm on the ground in NJ LD-16 - and I have my own constituents in my Borough within that district.

The Rage of average Janes and Joes in Blue and Purple states is not being reported on. It is rage we are hearing in this local, Assembly, and Governor's race. Rage.

I'd love to hear what folks in VA are encountering.

What happens in NJ and VA matters this year. What steps are taken in the first 100 days of these two states determines how far the Regime will go to impose its unAmerican values on Blue States.




betsuni

(28,303 posts)
77. Like promising: I'm going to break up the big banks! Abolish billionaires! Cancel all student loan debt!
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 10:23 PM
Sep 5

Start an economic revolution by having rallies! When asked how, mumble grumpily about not having the details in your pocket, then accuse your allies of being corrupt coastal elites paling around with oligarchs and Republicans.

Quiet Em

(2,202 posts)
44. Democrats are in a good place to take back the House in 26
Thu Sep 4, 2025, 09:40 AM
Sep 4

and I want Hakeem Jeffries as leader and as Speaker. I think he's been doing an excellent job with the hand he's been dealt and he always keeps the Democratic coalition on the same page.

The bashing of Hakeem Jeffries is getting old. It's just like the non stop bashing of Pelosi. I'm sick of it.

betsuni

(28,303 posts)
66. We had to listen to Nancy Pelosi whine-bashed constantly that she had no "next generation of leadership" to
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 05:22 PM
Sep 5

replace her, was clinging to power, would never impeach Trump, attack attack attack.

Even I knew Jeffries was Pelosi's protege and I'm not a member of the House like the person who said that she didn't have one (and the f I Don't Know Anything But Know I'm Right Let's Revolution people), and of course she did "pass the torch" to the next generation of leadership. And here we are, same old whine-bashing a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus as status quo establishment who hates progressives BS. Doesn't matter who it is, same attack and always wrong.

MorbidButterflyTat

(3,646 posts)
73. What "new people"?
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 09:19 PM
Sep 5

Name them.

And describe what fighting "tooth and nail" looks like in reality.

This crap is so far beyond tedious and boring.

betsuni

(28,303 posts)
79. Help Wanted: Fresh new faces new blood new fresh people for leadership position. No experience necessary.
Fri Sep 5, 2025, 10:33 PM
Sep 5

SocialDemocrat61

(5,614 posts)
85. "Tooth and nail" means feel good performance art
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 06:31 AM
Sep 6

not anything that will help anyone in anyway way but grand demonstrations that will make some happy. Personally, I prefer real accomplishments that actually helps people.

Renew Deal

(84,460 posts)
93. Jeffries could be in danger of losing his seat next year
Sun Sep 7, 2025, 09:13 PM
Sunday

Depending on how he handles this and Mamdani. Schumer knows he shouldn't run for re-election.

FadedMullet

(497 posts)
103. Thanks, Aurora. Not everyone here agrees, but that's what we are supposed to be all about. You know, as Democrats.
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 03:41 PM
Tuesday

Paladin

(31,567 posts)
105. Agreed. Schumer and Jeffries are damaged goods.
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 03:59 PM
Tuesday

At a point where we desperately needed Democratic strength and resolve, they offered us timidity. And we're paying for it, to this very day. Enough.

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