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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust about all of Europe is coming to DC with Zelensky
"The offices of NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, European Commission President Ursula von de Leyen, British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, Finnish President Alexander Stubb and German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said they would travel to Washington on Monday to meet with Trump. They will be joined by French President Emmanuel Macron and Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, according to Reuters."
https://www.nbcnews.com/world/ukraine/trump-putin-summit-ukraine-europe-peace-plan-war-rcna225438
They know how disastrous it could be to leave Zelensky alone with Trump, will serve as witnesses to whatever Trump says so he can't deny it later and will prevent Trump from trying to beat up Zelensky as he did at their last meeting. It is pretty obvious to me they know they are dealing with an unstable moron.

bucolic_frolic
(52,091 posts)that indicates extreme solidarity and support leaving no outcome to chance. Won't allow Trump to weasel again.
newdeal2
(3,735 posts)Trumpers think this shows respect but its really just expensive babysitting.
paleotn
(20,780 posts)They're going to bully his ass. And it will be fun to watch him cave once again. If Jed the fake hillbilly has any sense, he'll stay on vacation.
They are going to bully him, and this way he cant come out saying macron said x, or y, or some other leader said this.
This way they can say exactly what happened, and then call him a fucking liar to the entire world when he tries to speak for the other leaders.
NJCher
(41,175 posts)Jed the fake hillbilly
Thats so funny a mere rec will not suffice.
paleotn
(20,780 posts)
EndlessMaze
(58 posts)How did this prick become VP?. It's weird.
Cha
(313,861 posts)happen, in Response to Fried Orange Despot attempting to Rule the World with his handler, Vlad Mass Murderer, Putin.. While Also Going after the Nobel Peace Prize.
Eliot Rosewater
(33,755 posts)And everything will be fine.
PortTack
(35,705 posts)MorbidButterflyTat
(3,551 posts)The EU leaders will be there WITH Zelensky FOR Zelensky.
Maybe trolls on social media would "think" that.
Fiendish Thingy
(20,533 posts)They shower Trump with praise for his courage in confronting Putin, convince him he did his best, and now the only path forward to a true and lasting peace (and the Nobel Prize) is to give Ukraine any and all arms it needs to defend itself and defeat Russia.
Its so crazy, it just might work!
Remember, Trumps positions and actions are frequently determined by the last person/persons he was with
Jersey Devil
(10,461 posts)What you are saying makes sense, but I think Putin holds a card up his sleeve that would reveal just exactly what happened with Trump in Russia all those years ago when he was hosting beauty pageants that would tie in very nicely with the Epstein story.
jmbar2
(7,242 posts)He was always a useful idiot, and has now fulfilled his mission. Project 2025 is more than halfway done, rigging elections in process, America ruined as a trustworthy world ally. No one needs him anymore.
The only way that he can regain relevance is to stand up to Putin. But he won't. Not out of fear of being exposed, but because he idolizes him and needs his approval for his own ego.
Jersey Devil
(10,461 posts)That would probably hurt Trump more than anything else.
FakeNoose
(38,403 posts)That's what he really, REALLY wants, and he would probably do anything to get it. I'm guessing King Charlies probably has no way to make this happen, but chump doesn't know that. They can always reneg later, after the war in Uraine is finally resolved.
gab13by13
(29,528 posts)as long as Krasnov is president. Krasnov does what Putin tells him.
Fiendish Thingy
(20,533 posts)Multiple sources report shipments resumed on July 9/10, after Hegseths pause.
wolfie001
(5,949 posts)tRUMP is "giving" nothing. The deal probably has payoffs and bribes included. Open season for the fat orange fraudster imbecile.
TnDem
(1,390 posts)Armchair psychologists should have figured this out years ago, and we might not have these problems now. Why do you think Hillary is advocating for him to possibly get the Nobel Peace prize?
Nobody and I mean NOBODY can out bully Trump... The minute you think that's not true, he'll vanquish you.
What does work is neutralizing him through false praise...Stroke his ego for short term gain. Makes him a little puppy.
Sneederbunk
(16,559 posts)The Madcap
(1,427 posts)NATO membership and Article 5 kicking in at that point. Europe needs to play hardball with Putin and T-Loser.
KS Toronado
(21,116 posts)NATO needs to start putting troops and tanks on their borders with Russia.
Dr. T
(352 posts)They are weak and vulnerable. The view from where I'm standing tells me that a European invasion of Russia would be a cakewalk.
regnaD kciN
(27,226 posts)Dr. T
(352 posts)The term "mutually assured destruction" comes into play. Is Pootie crazy enough or desperate enough to go there?
The really scary part is that Dimwit Donny, the guy with his finger on the button, is too stupid to comprehend that term.
wolfie001
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dalton99a
(89,904 posts)Jersey Devil
(10,461 posts)I bet that Trumps is throwing ketchup at the walls over the fact that they are crashing his little plan to ambush Zelensky.
Nittersing
(7,547 posts)Knowing that all these leaders are coming in support of Zelenski... I wonder who he thinks are the "best" people that can counter this group.
kkmarie
(310 posts)Will cancel the meeting, refusing to meet with everyone. The regime can't possibly hold it's own against all these intelligent people.
RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES NOW
jmbar2
(7,242 posts)Just outstanding move.
milestogo
(21,633 posts)Pitchforks? Torches? Tar and feathers? Guillotine?
jmbar2
(7,242 posts)From what I recall of his background, his father was big on shaming and belittling. Having the leaders of the entire free world coming at him all at once would likely trigger old shame memories from the past and fear of public belittling on the world stage. His fragile ego cannot take it. They will play him like a fiddle.
milestogo
(21,633 posts)That would be the end of him.
QED
(3,171 posts)Bring on the spuds!
MorbidButterflyTat
(3,551 posts)

Dem2theMax
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Deuxcents
(23,707 posts)Enough is enough and I hope the gauntlet is thrown down and respected
allegorical oracle
(5,631 posts)the world recognizes that our "leader" is a lying, bullying, con artist.
Paladin
(31,468 posts)Can't imagine why that would be...
timms139
(371 posts)there will be fireworks in this meeting. i would expect that any bully tactics by Trump or Hillbilly Vance will be answered by those there to help Zelensky in a stearn and forceful way . Would be nice to see Trump and his cabal put in their place as to their low standing in the world and that the rest of the world isn't going to play their silly games .
Alice B.
(595 posts)SupportSanity
(1,511 posts)Visit Trump to say they have the pee tape in their possession.
And here is their list of demands.
Timing is everything.
Baitball Blogger
(50,827 posts)Sneederbunk
(16,559 posts)Glad Macron will be there.
Alice B.
(595 posts)Ghost of Tom Joad
(1,422 posts)bring his own deck of cards
flamingdem
(40,647 posts)Check the latest
Jersey Devil
(10,461 posts)Do you have a link?
flamingdem
(40,647 posts)pre coffee but thought I read they will be in Brussels via video.
If in person I'm surprised the plan to travel happened so quickly.
Wiz Imp
(6,701 posts)Wiz Imp
(6,701 posts)Wiz Imp
(6,701 posts)MissouriDem47
(264 posts)Zelensky will have backup if TACO tries to bushwhack him like he did a few months ago. TACO the coward would not have the guts to do it again when he's out numbered.
IrishAfricanAmerican
(4,302 posts)Gimpyknee
(534 posts)The new White House ballroom isnt finished yet.
Bluetus
(1,425 posts)They will be in DC and there will be enormous pressure on Trump to at least hold a joint session with all the leaders in a room together.
I agree they can't all be equally at the negotiating table, but this meeting was never about negotiation. It was about showing a fait accompli down Zelenskii's throat, and that won't happen, at least not this week.
This show of force is for Putin more than Trump. It is the EU leaders telling Trump, "Hey buddy, step aside. you aren't making any deals that affect all of us. Go work on a bag of Big Macs. You are not needed here."
Why cant all these leaders meet on European soil and have these discussions?
Why give Cheeto any oxygen or legitimacy in the first place?
Bluetus
(1,425 posts)like the last time Zelenskyy was in the oval office.
This is a ballsy move by the Europeans. Trump called a meeting at the WH with Putin and Zelenskyy. Obviously the plan was to gang up on Z and pressure him to accept a terrible deal.
This move turns the tables on Trump and Putin. Z says, basically, "I'll come, but my posse is coming too. You want to talk? Fine, you will talk with ALL the affected parties."
I suppose Trump could deny the EU people access to the WH, but in that case, Z might just refuse to meet, and instead hold a high-powered news conference in DC that would make Trump look even smaller. I don't think Trump can risk that.
EndlessWire
(8,066 posts)dem4decades
(13,128 posts)Takket
(23,167 posts)they know a bully is at their heart a coward, and won't attack when numbers are against them. There will be no repeat of that despicable attack on Zelensky earlier this year
Bluetus
(1,425 posts)behind the scenes throughout this war. They didn't all just wake up today and decide to support Ukraine. Clearly this counter-attack has been carefully planned to spring on Trump and Putin at the last minute.
It is as if the EU leaders tricked Trump into taking his show to the WH. The EU leaders would have been much less effective is they were forced to sit on some fishing boat off the beach in Anchorage. In D.C., THEY can dominate the media coverage and make Trump and Putin look much smaller.
MorbidButterflyTat
(3,551 posts)"scrambled.."
ProudMNDemocrat
(20,116 posts)Lay witness as to how allies are treated by this so-called "tough guy" who cannot stand up to Putin even.
greatauntoftriplets
(178,112 posts)
elleng
(140,521 posts)Better @ Cherry Blossom time, of course!!
EndlessWire
(8,066 posts)This is a show of force against Putin. Putin said twice that he warned against Ukraine and the European leaders from interfering with the "progress" Putin and Trump had made in settling the war.
The only thing that would make this perfect is if they all showed up wearing military attire. Force is the only thing that either Putin or Trump understand. They are saying "We are Ukraine" in an elegant manner.
Trump is stupid enough to think that they are flattering him by showing up to talk to him and take pictures. Shoulder to shoulder, they are showing Trump that they are not giving up Ukraine.
Hell, what would you do if the entire UN showed up on your doorstep to warn you of the consequences of selling out a key country? This will be fascinating! I hope they all get to show up and stick it to the Orange Pedo! You want attention, Donald? You got it!
I SO WISH that they would make an exception for Ukraine and announce Ukraine's membership in NATO. Listen, there are huge swaths of Russia whose people want to be free of Russia. It's not just 1991. It's NOW. Those people will probably fight in a heartbeat against Russia.
Russia needs to go home before they get so asskicked that they have to beg for food on the street corners. Forget the empire that you want back, Putin. Run for your life, you ICC criminal.
I would like also to hear what Ukraine's civilians think about the entire EU standing up for them. It will be good for them to see this.
I hope it happens.
MorbidButterflyTat
(3,551 posts)"LONDON Ukraine and its allies on Sunday were scrambling to respond to (the felon's) apparent shift toward Vladimir Putins hard-line position after their summit in Alaska."
They were not "scrambling." The EU has been supporting Ukraine all along and they know exactly what Putin and Baby Huey are about. This stupid headline makes it sound like perhaps they were expecting anything other than a shit show.
"...the (convicted felon's) apparent shift toward..." His master and puppeteer war criminal?? As if there was one shred of doubt where that traitor's nose has been buried for YEARS. Where have these people been??
"...after their summit in Alaska." Where Putin tightened the choke chain and got a real whiff of Poopy Pants McTraitor in the fancy car.
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,248 posts)His libertarian ways included bad mouthing all of Europe and Canada because they had national Healthcare. Mainly he badmouthed all of Europe based on his rigid principles.
Don't know if he was an influencer, or if he was just a reflection of that mindset. Either way we're stuck with an endless fight.
Marie Marie
(10,491 posts)Number9Dream
(1,824 posts)thucythucy
(8,982 posts)with the Orange Oaf.
Strelnikov_
(8,025 posts)Like Orange Julius telling Z to take it (giving up the land Russia wants) or the US is going to end all support.
The Euro leadership knows what a horrible move this would be, and are going to back up Z against the Orange bully.
Evolve Dammit
(21,168 posts)Figarosmom
(8,036 posts)Happen again. They are showing solidarity.
If trump and vance think they can do to him what they did last time they are very much mistaken.
azureblue
(2,546 posts)as it reads a bunch of goodfellas coming by to have a little chat.
I think pedo Don is about to get his ass handed to him again, but with Europe united, it's going to go a lot worse than he thinks and he won't be able to BS his way out. They all know his crap and are tired of it. So it's hammer time..
Blue Owl
(57,146 posts)FelineOverlord
(3,838 posts)I'm sure he thinks his "genius" has brought peace and is just waiting for his Nobel Peace Prize.
Yeah, this is a highly unusual all-hands-on-deck meeting that wouldnât be happening if Alaska was productive.
— Angry (@angrystaffer.bsky.social) 2025-08-17T20:45:29.324Z
5 European leaders, the head of NATO and the head of the EU donât just drop everything and fly to DC.
H/T: @radiofreetom.bsky.social
— Kevin St. Alder (@kevinstalder.bsky.social) 2025-08-17T21:09:14.685Z
bob4460
(343 posts)He will not take the type of solidarity with Zelensky.
Xolodno
(7,127 posts)1. Showing solidarity against Putin.
2. Strategy session. Ukraine is losing troops and they need them to get rallied and back into the fight. Plus war fatigue is setting in. And doing the same thing isn't going to work.
3. Trump may have indicated he's ready to just give up and walk away from this. So they need to convince him to continue fighting.
4. Putin may have implied a willingness to give up on some of his demands, but fall way short of what everyone wants. So if this is the first thaw in the ice wall, it can't be afforded to ignore it.
5. Lukashenko of Belarus has indicated he may not seek another term, nor is his son interested. They have talked about merging Russia and Belarus back together. That could really throw another wrench into the machine. So they may discuss on preparing for that eventuality as it gives Russia a newer and longer border with Ukraine.
Doubt we know everything for a long while.
usonian
(19,952 posts)Asking for some amis, amici, amigos, mates, freunden, .
Jayster84
(108 posts)BidenRocks
(2,071 posts)They will be disappeared by dinner.