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gab13by13

(29,632 posts)
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 07:06 AM Aug 17

Lev Parnas Says The Monday Krasnov/Zelenskyy Meeting Is A Trap

Parnas knows Krasnov, he was an operative for him. Krasnov says that the Alaska Putin Meeting was a setup for the Zelenskyy meeting.

Krasnov will offer Zelenskyy the Putin land swap deal and when Zelenskyy refuses, Krasnov will proclaim that Zelenskyy, not Putin, is the obstacle for peace.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-danger-is-clear-ex-trump-operative-warns-white-house-guest-of-planned-trap/ar-AA1KEk4A?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=68a1b5b91b9b43e395f0ee9150bc12ae&ei=13

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Lev Parnas Says The Monday Krasnov/Zelenskyy Meeting Is A Trap (Original Post) gab13by13 Aug 17 OP
shithole and comrades are that stupid?........................ Lovie777 Aug 17 #1
Yes, Just Jerome Aug 17 #29
Well, it might have been intended to be a setup, but Zelensky won't be alone. Roughly, a half dozen Texin Aug 17 #43
If trump Rebl2 Aug 17 #52
Trump will sell out Ukraine in a heartbeat. Lonestarblue Aug 17 #2
Putin most likely has the Epstein files gab13by13 Aug 17 #4
This is the only true answer wolfie001 Aug 17 #24
I think Anonymous was sold out by Snowden LuvLoogie Aug 17 #30
I theorize Snowden was a white nationalist wolfie001 Aug 17 #46
Trump... GiqueCee Aug 17 #10
No surprise there. 2naSalit Aug 17 #3
That sounds about right. Liberal In Texas Aug 17 #5
Isn't that what he did last time Zelenskyy came to Washington? Biophilic Aug 17 #6
Oval Office Ambush Kid Berwyn Aug 17 #32
Well, Hornedfrog2000 Aug 17 #7
Why is Zelenskyy going to Washington? 33taw Aug 17 #8
Except a number of European leaders are coming with him Buckeyeblue Aug 17 #9
Yes! A united front kkmarie Aug 17 #12
How many European leaders is Trump going to allow in the meeting? Gimpyknee Aug 17 #22
I'd love to see Macron punch that fat orange imbecile in the face wolfie001 Aug 17 #26
Aren't they going to be on a zoom call? gab13by13 Aug 17 #37
Yes he has back up coming. sheshe2 Aug 17 #48
You're spreading conspiracy theories from convicted felon Lev Parnas? sop Aug 17 #11
Huh? D_Master81 Aug 17 #17
Ask Gab, he knows a Republican talking point whe he sees one. sop Aug 17 #27
Exactly. That idea of land for peace has been "test ballooned" for some time. paleotn Aug 17 #18
I admit to being slow, gab13by13 Aug 17 #40
He's correct about the idea of land for peace. paleotn Aug 17 #51
My post wasn't that long, gab13by13 Aug 17 #39
Convicted felon, liar, Trump supporter, grifter and former Giuliani co-conspirator writes breathlessly: sop Aug 17 #54
Exactly what land is being swapped? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 17 #13
What land is being swapped? Gimpyknee Aug 17 #16
The land, Ukranian, will be swapped to Russia in return for peace. gab13by13 Aug 17 #41
My understanding is that Putin wants... mwooldri Aug 17 #34
Slightly worse than that - Putin wants *all* of Donetsk, despite never having taken it all so far muriel_volestrangler Aug 17 #35
Great, another chance to be disgusted by Trump. Hillbilly, and Lil Marco. dem4decades Aug 17 #14
Let's hope that JD will be too busy thinking about his next taxpayer funded vacation to be a boor newdeal2 Aug 17 #20
May well be the plan, but it won't work. That argument convinces no one. paleotn Aug 17 #15
The difference is that Krasnov will publicly support it, gab13by13 Aug 17 #42
That's a given, right? Xavier Breath Aug 17 #19
Well, he may try to do that but Zelensky and Europe wil stand firm. ananda Aug 17 #21
It's as clear as air. nt Tommy Carcetti Aug 17 #23
There you have it. GOP-Russian treachery. BoRaGard Aug 17 #25
Yes. They're still colluding wolfie001 Aug 17 #28
What was Zelenkyy's response when Parnas warned him? Kaleva Aug 17 #31
I don't understand your post gab13by13 Aug 17 #44
Parnas didn't express it as a hypothetical Kaleva Aug 17 #50
Neighbor steals some property. Stop fighting. Give some to him. Festivito Aug 17 #33
That was the first draft of the script Fiendish Thingy Aug 17 #36
When was the last time we supplied arms to Ukraine? gab13by13 Aug 17 #47
Multiple sources report shipments resumed on July 9/10 Fiendish Thingy Aug 17 #49
Isn't a high official from Finland traveling with Zelenskyy? Baitball Blogger Aug 17 #38
Pretty sure all the plans for the meeting mountain grammy Aug 17 #45
Bringing Backup Deep State Witch Aug 17 #53
Oh. Gee. MorbidButterflyTat Aug 17 #55
Of course. That's why Trump said "it's really on Zelensky" to reach a deal with Russia. SunSeeker Aug 17 #56
I think he knows. n/t returnee Aug 18 #57
He's not clever, Ukraine & Europe know this already. themaguffin Aug 18 #58

Lovie777

(19,997 posts)
1. shithole and comrades are that stupid?........................
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 07:10 AM
Aug 17

as to the trap, I agree. I fear for Pres. Z's safety.

Texin

(2,792 posts)
43. Well, it might have been intended to be a setup, but Zelensky won't be alone. Roughly, a half dozen
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 10:09 AM
Aug 17

European heads of state will be in attendance. If anything, 'Krasnov' will be surrounded by NATO leaders who will disabuse him that he has any power to force a surrender or capitulation.

Rebl2

(16,901 posts)
52. If trump
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 11:41 AM
Aug 17

tries to keep them out of the meeting, I would hope Zelensky refuses to meet with trump.

Lonestarblue

(12,910 posts)
2. Trump will sell out Ukraine in a heartbeat.
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 07:16 AM
Aug 17

He went to Alaska to get his marching orders from Putin. Trump had all the power in his hands (sanctions, weapons, etc.) and relinquished it to Putin. Why? What hold does Putin still have on Trump?

gab13by13

(29,632 posts)
4. Putin most likely has the Epstein files
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 07:24 AM
Aug 17

Someone funded Epstein, why not Putin, why not Bibi? They both probably have the files.

Krasnov is a puppet to Putin and Bibi. Oh but Jimmy Carter had to put his peanut farm in a blind trust. The most honest president we ever had.

wolfie001

(5,995 posts)
24. This is the only true answer
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 08:52 AM
Aug 17

Also, Epstein had connections with MOSSAD from what I've read. I wonder why Anonymous isn't actively doing anything. Aren't they supposed to hack evil people and evil organizations? tRUMP is the most evil leader since Hitler for gawd's sakes. Threatening the very existence of Democratic America.

LuvLoogie

(8,242 posts)
30. I think Anonymous was sold out by Snowden
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 09:29 AM
Aug 17

I think Anonymous thwarted the man-in-the-middle shenanigans in Ohio and elsewhere. Remember when Karl Rove was sure the vote count was going to flip away from Barack in Ohio? Then I think they were SD out by Snowden a year later when he defected.

Anonymous has gone low level ever since. I think the remaining anonymous activity is there to bait new hackers into revealing themselves as potential new recruits. Then eliminated.

wolfie001

(5,995 posts)
46. I theorize Snowden was a white nationalist
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 10:13 AM
Aug 17

That's why he fled to Sweden where it was once lily-white and had the extra protection from extradition. He became, and it's only a theory, radicalized because of Hillary's inclusive policies and potential. Meanwhile, Sweden was welcoming many more brown people at the same time. I think it drove this almost albino-looking, white as a ghost person cray cray.

Liberal In Texas

(15,558 posts)
5. That sounds about right.
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 07:24 AM
Aug 17

Plus, he's also said something about Zelensky being responsible for starting the war. He parrots the ruskie propagandsa.

Biophilic

(6,035 posts)
6. Isn't that what he did last time Zelenskyy came to Washington?
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 07:41 AM
Aug 17

Hopefully he’s not coming alone this time

Kid Berwyn

(21,897 posts)
32. Oval Office Ambush
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 09:32 AM
Aug 17

Majorly Traitor Greece’s secret lover was disguised as the journalist who asked him about disrespecting Dimdonnie the Traitor by not wearing a suit.

Hornedfrog2000

(847 posts)
7. Well,
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 07:46 AM
Aug 17

I was expecting that to be the case... nobody is going to be fooled by it. Zelensky should ask Krasnov if he should just focus on Epstein since that is where his mind seems to be.

Why would anyone think Ukraine should give shit to russia? If anything Ukraine should level russian cities.

Buckeyeblue

(5,999 posts)
9. Except a number of European leaders are coming with him
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 07:50 AM
Aug 17

This is a smart move for Europe and Zelenskyy.

kkmarie

(316 posts)
12. Yes! A united front
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 07:58 AM
Aug 17

Against the Krasnov Putin regime.
Krasnov won't be bullying President Zelenskky this time.

RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES NOW

sheshe2

(93,493 posts)
48. Yes he has back up coming.
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 10:19 AM
Aug 17

Also, trump can say what he wants but who will believe him?! He lies about everything.

sop

(15,807 posts)
11. You're spreading conspiracy theories from convicted felon Lev Parnas?
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 07:56 AM
Aug 17

The guy who was found guilty in U.S. Federal Court on six counts related to illegal donations to the 2020 campaign of Donald Trump, and was sentenced to 20 months in prison, three years of supervised release and $2,322,500 in restitution? The Soviet-born former associate of Rudy Giuliani who was involved in creating the false Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory, to help Trump damage Joe Biden? That Lev Parnas? Stop spreading Republican talking points.

paleotn

(20,824 posts)
18. Exactly. That idea of land for peace has been "test ballooned" for some time.
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 08:29 AM
Aug 17

By both Russians and the regime. "Trump's carefully calculated moves with Putin in Alaska." That's complete bullshit. That whole idea is stale crap straight from the Kremlin. After getting completely rolled, Donnie is simply doing what he's been told to do. Or else perhaps. The Russians have him by the short hairs and Epstein's ghost is only one of his worries.

Parnas is just another scammer trying a new angle of grift.

gab13by13

(29,632 posts)
40. I admit to being slow,
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 10:02 AM
Aug 17

What the fuck is Parnas scamming? He is warning Zelenskyy about what Krasnov may do to him.

Parnas exposed the Russian conspiracy theories that he was a part of. I do not get the attacks on Parnas.

paleotn

(20,824 posts)
51. He's correct about the idea of land for peace.
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 11:28 AM
Aug 17

But that's obvious. The Russkies have been flogging that 13th century idea for over a year. But framing that as some "grand conspiracy" with Trump is over the top and meant to give Parmas attention as much as anything. And attention gets him paid these days, so the wilder the conspiracy the better. Gins up chatter and helps with future TV gigs. That formula seems to work just as well on the left as the right. If done on the right, we call it scamming the rubes. The point being, not to disseminate information and analysis but to simply get people worked up. There's a monetary value to that.

gab13by13

(29,632 posts)
39. My post wasn't that long,
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 09:58 AM
Aug 17

In case you missed it, I said Parnav was a Krasnov operative.

Parnav was arrested, admitted everything he did for Krasnov, testified against Krasnov about the bogus Hunter/ Joe Biden Bull shit.

Lev Parnav by going public calling this a trap is risking his life to help Ukraine.

I find your post to be a right wing talking point, but what do I know, right sop?

Parnav did everything you say and then admitted everything was a Russian conspiracy theory. The person in on the lies admitted they were lies.

sop

(15,807 posts)
54. Convicted felon, liar, Trump supporter, grifter and former Giuliani co-conspirator writes breathlessly:
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 03:46 PM
Aug 17

"I’m risking everything to bring you this truth. My sources are risking everything too. Every day, Trump, Putin, and their enablers are tightening their grip, cracking down on leakers, truth-tellers, and independent voices like ours. They want silence. They want obedience. They want you in the dark while they divide nations like real estate and rewrite history as if the dead, the stolen, and the broken never mattered."

That's pretty lurid stuff, Gab. I'm shocked courageous truth-teller Lev hasn't already been found dead, thrown out of a fifth floor window, or something. You really want to rely on Lev Parnas, a well known Republican operative and scumbag dirty trickster, as your source?

13. Exactly what land is being swapped?
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 08:01 AM
Aug 17

As far as I know, Russia will keep the Crimean peninsula and the two areas in Ukraine it currently occupies. Ukraine will get bupkis. T***p will grab a huge chunk of rare earths to use as he sees fit.

Dementia Don will proclaim himself "King of the Deal," and demand a Nobel Prize.

Gimpyknee

(560 posts)
16. What land is being swapped?
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 08:16 AM
Aug 17

No land is being swapped. Russia gets to keep Crimean land. Trump is selling out the Ukraine.

mwooldri

(10,698 posts)
34. My understanding is that Putin wants...
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 09:47 AM
Aug 17

... Land that Ukraine is presently holding. It's like if a country invaded the USA, took every state on the eastern seaboard from Georgia all the way to the north ... And the agreement is that the USA would get Delaware back if it handed Florida over to the invaders.

It's worse than a ceasefire on present lines.

muriel_volestrangler

(104,528 posts)
35. Slightly worse than that - Putin wants *all* of Donetsk, despite never having taken it all so far
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 09:49 AM
Aug 17

plus all of what he's captured so far.



Russia would dearly love to expand its control over the entirety of Luhansk and Donetsk.

Some reports suggest that Putin is demanding that Ukraine hand over the remaining territory it controls in both oblasts.

But that would mean Kyiv giving up on places which tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers have died trying to protect - cities like Kramatorsk and Slovyansk, and a fortified line protecting Ukrainian territory to the north and west.
...
What about Zaporizhzhia and Kherson, captured in 2022?

Here, it's reported, Russia is offering to halt its offensive and freeze the lines.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgkrn433lk2o

newdeal2

(3,808 posts)
20. Let's hope that JD will be too busy thinking about his next taxpayer funded vacation to be a boor
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 08:33 AM
Aug 17

And Lil Marco has about ten agencies to run. Best not to create any more work for himself.

paleotn

(20,824 posts)
15. May well be the plan, but it won't work. That argument convinces no one.
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 08:15 AM
Aug 17

The Russkies have been floating that idea for months now. It's rather stale.

gab13by13

(29,632 posts)
42. The difference is that Krasnov will publicly support it,
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 10:06 AM
Aug 17

The United States position will be that Ukraine surrender to Putin's demands.

Xavier Breath

(6,085 posts)
19. That's a given, right?
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 08:31 AM
Aug 17

And the bearded, buckeye couch-fucker will be there for "moral" support.

ananda

(32,961 posts)
21. Well, he may try to do that but Zelensky and Europe wil stand firm.
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 08:38 AM
Aug 17

One thing Trump doesn't understand is opposition.

It will make him look crazier and more stupid than
he already is (if that's possible).

wolfie001

(5,995 posts)
28. Yes. They're still colluding
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 09:01 AM
Aug 17

"russia russia russia!" is a fact and the country deserves no capital letters.

Kaleva

(39,831 posts)
31. What was Zelenkyy's response when Parnas warned him?
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 09:30 AM
Aug 17

Last edited Sun Aug 17, 2025, 10:38 AM - Edit history (1)

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https://levremembers.substack.com/p/exclusive-the-alaska-meeting-exposed?r=yzqcr&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true


He’s looking to make money off of people.

gab13by13

(29,632 posts)
44. I don't understand your post
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 10:11 AM
Aug 17

I wasn't aware that Parnas spoke directly to Zelenskyy. Why would Zelenskyy respond to a hypothetical?

Parnas is saying that Krasnov is going to tell Zelenskyy that the United States agrees with Putin's demands for peace, which amounts to surrendering land.

Kaleva

(39,831 posts)
50. Parnas didn't express it as a hypothetical
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 10:43 AM
Aug 17

Did Parma’s make any effort at all to warn? He claims to be connected.

But at the end of his article, he’s asking for money.

This may be nothing more then a scam to get people to pay for a subscription.

Festivito

(13,774 posts)
33. Neighbor steals some property. Stop fighting. Give some to him.
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 09:42 AM
Aug 17

. . . . Farmers . . . .
He tried to steal it all by killing you. Forgivable?
He shot and killed your family. Also, forgivable?
He made plans to assassinate you. What a bad boy?
He holds part of your farm after moving fences.
He hires goons to keep you from moving the fences back.
You shoot his goons and bomb his weapon supplier.
He shoots and bombs your family members.
He gets a big judge he helped put into office.

He and his judge decide you will give him part of the land he stole to swap for him to stop killing your kin and you get the rest of the stolen land he doesn't want.

The judge wants to be called noble for saying: "He who steals, gets: something for his trouble!"

Oh, yeah, forget about the dead, after all, they're dead.

Fiendish Thingy

(20,606 posts)
36. That was the first draft of the script
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 09:51 AM
Aug 17

But now it has been announced that most of the European leadership and diplomatic corps will be accompanying Zelensky to DC.

Starmer, Meloni, Macron, the head of the EU and many others will be there.

Best case scenario:

They shower Trump with praise, tell him he did his best, and convince him that the only path forward to a true and lasting peace (and the Nobel Prize) is to supply Ukraine with any and all arms needed to defend itself and defeat Russia.

Reminder:

Trump’s positions, policies and actions are frequently determined by the last person/persons he was in the room with, and there are a significant number of Republicans (Graham being the most vocal) who support continuing to supply Ukraine with arms.

It’s so crazy, it just might work!

gab13by13

(29,632 posts)
47. When was the last time we supplied arms to Ukraine?
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 10:14 AM
Aug 17

We are selling arms to the EU who may or may not send them to Ukraine.

Fiendish Thingy

(20,606 posts)
49. Multiple sources report shipments resumed on July 9/10
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 10:40 AM
Aug 17

And have continued since then.

The US to EU to Ukraine deal you are referring to is regarding the Patriot systems, not all arms.

mountain grammy

(28,156 posts)
45. Pretty sure all the plans for the meeting
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 10:12 AM
Aug 17

will be found on the Kinko's copy machine down the street from the White House. Only the EPSTEIN FILES are top secret for these clowns.

Deep State Witch

(12,151 posts)
53. Bringing Backup
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 02:09 PM
Aug 17

That's why Zelenskyy is bringing lots of backup. He's not stupid - and neither are the other world leaders. Even Merloni - who likes to think of herself as "Mussolini in a dress" has come out strongly in favor of Ukraine.

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