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Israel Confiscated Baby Formula From Doctors On Arrival in Gaza (Original Post) ihaveaquestion Aug 14 OP
Sadists. I suppose the Hamas leadership was going to drink it. hlthe2b Aug 14 #1
Netanyahu Rebl2 Aug 14 #72
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Indescribable evil. mountain grammy Aug 14 #3
Mortifying. halobeam Aug 14 #4
From admiration, to disappointment, to disgust. Sneederbunk Aug 14 #5
"He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster." harumph Aug 14 #6
Are there any other sources to confirm this? murielm99 Aug 14 #7
here Celerity Aug 14 #8
Had been limiting my shared sentiments here on DU regarding Israel/Palestine. All of it sickens my soul. sprinkleeninow Aug 14 #33
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Quick google search found several links... (which you could have found yourself btw) ihaveaquestion Aug 14 #9
Those are simply reports about various claims, not evidence that any of the claims are true. lapucelle Aug 14 #14
So many reports contradict the gov't statements on GAZA that their trustworthiness is highly suspect. ihaveaquestion Aug 14 #25
While no one has confirmed the claim the Israel confiscated cans of "baby feed" from anyone's luggage, lapucelle Aug 14 #10
An American woman Dr claimed that it was confiscated when she arrived womanofthehills Aug 14 #12
The bottle tiktoker awadbarbakh1 puts into the baby's mouth is empty. lapucelle Aug 14 #26
Evil in its own right. I spotted that also and was appalled. Totally Tunsie Aug 14 #31
Read the comments below the video Mossfern Aug 14 #62
The Allenby Bridge is a land crossing. All travel from there to Gaza would be overland. RockCreek Aug 14 #13
Cans of powder were confiscated from people's luggage. lapucelle Aug 14 #15
Dr. Nick Maynard - Inside a Gaza hospital: A British surgeon on what he's witnessing firsthand cliffside Aug 14 #17
An American woman Dr claimed that it was confiscated when she arrived womanofthehills Aug 14 #20
The bottle tiktoker awadbarbakh1 puts into the baby's mouth is empty. lapucelle Aug 14 #27
So what would constitute valid evidence to you? ihaveaquestion Aug 14 #21
The American woman doc said American doctors have to bring in their own food womanofthehills Aug 14 #23
I've also heard the claim that Hamas uses children as human shields Orrex Aug 14 #47
So you reject the claim that the IDF uses children for target practice as ridiculous. lapucelle Aug 14 #48
I doubt that the IDF is lining them up on a shooting range Orrex Aug 14 #51
Here's a report from the "Hamas uses human shields crowd" at NATO lapucelle Aug 14 #53
The ravings of a terrorist are not, in themselves, compelling Orrex Aug 14 #57
The gaslighting and reality-inversion is really something, isn't it? AloeVera Aug 14 #59
Why aren't the public statements of the chairman of a terrorist political bureau "compelling"? lapucelle Aug 14 #61
Because they're bluster and because he's dead. Orrex Aug 14 #63
October 7 was the invasion-genocidal-rape-torture-murder on a massive scale event. lapucelle Aug 14 #64
How long are Bibi's cheerleaders going to play that card? Orrex Aug 14 #65
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"John Kirby: What Hamas wants, make no mistake about it, is genocide" lapucelle Aug 14 #67
When you get to the point of replying with vid clips, you've declared that you have nothing to add Orrex Aug 14 #68
The OP is a video clip. lapucelle Aug 14 #69
The OP is starting a discussion; your post attempted to end it Orrex Aug 14 #70
Now the argument is "Hamas has no agency"? lapucelle Aug 14 #71
Oh FFS Orrex Aug 14 #73
So to recap... lapucelle Aug 14 #74
"stop parroting patently false propaganda" Dave Bowman Aug 14 #75
Which part is "patently false propaganda"? lapucelle Aug 15 #80
I feel sorry for you, eventually you'll have a rude awakening. Or not, I'm not sure which would be worse. Dave Bowman Aug 15 #83
Yes, well, there you have it. Now back to the matter at hand: which part is "patently false propaganda"? lapucelle Aug 15 #86
That's not the position of Israel. EdmondDantes_ Aug 15 #82
Deseret News is a right wing website owned by the Church of the Latter Day Saints. lapucelle Aug 15 #85
Good Morning Britain, the morning news programme on ITV in Britain; NBC muriel_volestrangler Aug 15 #79
The confiscation of cans of a powdered substance found in people's luggage lapucelle Aug 15 #81
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Are Jews responsible? sarisataka Aug 14 #19
Israelis ARE responsible because their government is responsible. Some are stepping up to protest, which is great. ihaveaquestion Aug 14 #22
My comment angrychair Aug 14 #29
No it is not sarisataka Aug 14 #42
No, it's not angrychair Aug 14 #50
I never said the word antisemitic sarisataka Aug 14 #52
Medhi Hasan cannot comprehend why cans of a powdered substance lapucelle Aug 14 #43
Genocide is acceptable now apparently. live love laugh Aug 14 #18
Only of the "right" people. The powerless and "inconvenient" others.. AloeVera Aug 14 #58
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Blood lust??? murielm99 Aug 14 #49
Wait. Are you talking about Jews? lapucelle Aug 14 #55
As you noted at the accusation is explicit sarisataka Aug 14 #56
This continues Netanyahu's years-long campaign of deliberate civilian murder Orrex Aug 14 #28
War Crimes Trials NOW!!!!!!! Chasstev365 Aug 14 #30
It's a war crime to confiscate cans of a powdered substance lapucelle Aug 14 #44
Seriously? Infants dying is NOT a thing to be snarky about! Chasstev365 Aug 14 #45
This is a just demand. David__77 Aug 15 #77
I have a dispassioniate but important question Mossfern Aug 14 #32
Under-nourished women cannot breast feed an infant effectively. ihaveaquestion Aug 14 #34
Mothers' milk has dried up for many months now. AloeVera Aug 14 #60
The point is to starve babies to death. iemanja Aug 14 #35
Starving women can't produce milk questionseverything Aug 14 #40
This is so maddening. I'm speechless. 🤬 Dave Bowman Aug 14 #36
Just.Fucking.Evil. Scalded Nun Aug 14 #38
If the repugs weren't supporting Israel - Nigrum Cattus Aug 14 #39
Unfortunately there are plenty of democrats supporting Israel no matter what they do questionseverything Aug 14 #41
It's shocking and sickening that people are downplaying this on DU. Chasstev365 Aug 14 #46
Yeah, just reading some replies in this thread is nauseating. Dave Bowman Aug 15 #76
There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people. Howard Zinn Ping Tung Aug 14 #54
It's clear that for months Israel blocked entry of baby formula along with other food. Starving babies was the point. David__77 Aug 15 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author cliffside Aug 15 #84
For those asking for more info on this there are US doctors who have spoken out on this issue ... cliffside Aug 15 #87

hlthe2b

(111,192 posts)
1. Sadists. I suppose the Hamas leadership was going to drink it.
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 11:18 AM
Aug 14


Israelis (many) are as angry as I am to see what Netanyahu has done to Israel's reputation--years after their righteous response to October 7 turned into something decidedly NOT. They don't deny what is being done in their name and certainly don't defend it. Only Netanyahu's far right-wing extremists do (and sadly some of his deniers--including some number in the US).

This IS intentional extermination of the innocent.

Rebl2

(16,902 posts)
72. Netanyahu
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 09:54 PM
Aug 14

is an evil monster. If what he is doing isn’t genocide, I don’t know what is.

Response to ihaveaquestion (Original post)

harumph

(2,973 posts)
6. "He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster."
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 11:40 AM
Aug 14

"... if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."

Celerity

(51,735 posts)
8. here
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 11:51 AM
Aug 14


Israel limits entry of baby formula in Gaza as infants die of hunger

While waiting to enter Gaza on a medical aid mission, an American doctor watched Israeli security forces confiscate the cans of powdered baby formula packed in his luggage. The vital product is desperately lacking in the Palestinian enclave, where about 50 children have died of hunger since March.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/07/01/israel-limits-entry-of-baby-formula-in-gaza-as-infants-die-of-hunger_6742899_4.html

https://archive.ph/DoP78



https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/07/01/israel-limits-entry-of-baby-formula-in-gaza-as-infants-die-of-hunger_6742899_4.html

By Laure Stephan (Beirut, Lebanon correspondent)

Published on July 1, 2025, at 11:30 am (Paris)

At the end of June, an American doctor was preparing to travel to Gaza for a medical mission. His suitcases were filled with cans of baby formula, gauze, bandages and sanitary pads. He believed he was doing the right thing: The Palestinian population of the enclave, bombarded and starved by the Israeli army, lacks everything. While in Amman, a mandatory gathering point for foreign medical missions heading to Gaza, the coordinator of the convoy, Palestinian-German ophthalmic surgeon Diana Nazzal urged him to lighten his load. "If you only have medical supplies and no personal belongings, you risk being turned away, or even jeopardizing the whole mission," she explained.

The American doctor followed her instructions, reducing the baby formula in his luggage to three cans. Once at the Allenby Bridge crossing between Jordan and the Israeli-occupied West Bank, however, his personal belongings were searched by Israeli security guards manning the terminal on the Palestinian side.

"The baby formula was confiscated," said Nazzal. "What other explanation is there, if it's not that hunger is being used as a weapon of war in the ongoing genocide in Gaza?" Local health workers said baby formula is desperately lacking in the enclave, especially specialized formula for premature babies or lactose-free formula for babies with intolerances. Many mothers, suffering from malnutrition, are unable to breastfeed.

'Severe malnutrition'

COGAT, the branch of the Israeli army that coordinates the entry of humanitarian aid, told the Associated Press that more than 1,000 metric tons of baby food, including infant formula, have been delivered to Gaza since May 19, when Israeli authorities very slightly eased the complete humanitarian blockade imposed on the coastal territory for two and a half months.

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sprinkleeninow

(21,525 posts)
33. Had been limiting my shared sentiments here on DU regarding Israel/Palestine. All of it sickens my soul.
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:49 PM
Aug 14

The destruction of human life especially. The apparent deliberate harm to those seeking food sustenance.

Sorry, but I cannot believe much reporting issued by the IDF as valid.

Response to Celerity (Reply #8)

lapucelle

(20,626 posts)
14. Those are simply reports about various claims, not evidence that any of the claims are true.
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 12:39 PM
Aug 14

Your link to the Times of Israel July 11 story isn't even about the claim that cans of powdered "baby feed" were confiscated from people's luggage.

The Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories, the army unit that coordinates humanitarian aid, said that "contrary to what is claimed, Israel doesn't prevent or restrict the entry of baby food, including milk substitutes and baby formula, into the Gaza Strip. As evidence, in recent weeks more than 1,400 tons of baby food have been brought in through the crossings, as per the requests of international aid organizations, following stringent security checks.

"We stress that Israel does not collect customs on humanitarian aid brought into Gaza.

"Regarding the security checks," it continued, "the increased stringency of checks at the crossings is due to credible information that Hamas is exploiting the aid for smuggling purposes. The goal is to prevent continued smuggling of goods that Hamas uses to finance terrorist activity."

ihaveaquestion

(4,021 posts)
25. So many reports contradict the gov't statements on GAZA that their trustworthiness is highly suspect.
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:20 PM
Aug 14

What do you expect them to do, admit that they're ok with depriving babies? That is seriously naive.

lapucelle

(20,626 posts)
10. While no one has confirmed the claim the Israel confiscated cans of "baby feed" from anyone's luggage,
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 12:25 PM
Aug 14

it wouldn't surprise me if cans of powder in someone's luggage were flagged at any highly secured border crossing anywhere in the world.

The doctor said he heard the claim that cans of powder were removed from luggage second hand. The doctor also claimed in an interview on Sky News that he heard that the IDF uses children for target practice.



womanofthehills

(10,324 posts)
12. An American woman Dr claimed that it was confiscated when she arrived
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 12:33 PM
Aug 14

If I find the video - I will post it. She was the American Dr who said she treated many gun shot wounds in children.

Here is a dad who managed to get some baby formula- he is beyond happy.


?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ

lapucelle

(20,626 posts)
26. The bottle tiktoker awadbarbakh1 puts into the baby's mouth is empty.
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:20 PM
Aug 14

Who monetizes content using a baby as a prop?



Totally Tunsie

(11,136 posts)
31. Evil in its own right. I spotted that also and was appalled.
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:39 PM
Aug 14

"Celebrating" when he should have been nourishing. His point was what??

Mossfern

(4,296 posts)
62. Read the comments below the video
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 06:17 PM
Aug 14

This was totally staged, down to the empty baby bottle.
You do your cause a disservice by posting clips like this.
Anyone who believes this particular tictok is a fool.

Honestly, I expected better of you.

RockCreek

(1,086 posts)
13. The Allenby Bridge is a land crossing. All travel from there to Gaza would be overland.
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 12:34 PM
Aug 14

All air travel was complete, formula undisturbed.

cliffside

(1,309 posts)
17. Dr. Nick Maynard - Inside a Gaza hospital: A British surgeon on what he's witnessing firsthand
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 12:59 PM
Aug 14
https://www.npr.org/2025/07/21/nx-s1-5471424/gaza-hospitals-british-surgeon-israel-attacks

".... Maynard says he and other doctors have observed clusters of similar injuries — head wounds one day, abdominal wounds the next — raising questions about the intent behind the shootings. "[This] is beyond coincidence," he said.

"The clustering of symptoms is what makes it so dramatic. And it is something that we at all levels — ER doctors, general surgeons, urology surgeons, neurosurgeons — have all recognized this clustering of injuries."

Or you could listen to this doctor ...

Links ...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220536564

"Ex-NHS surgeon Nizam Mamode broke down as he told the international development committee what he witnessed when working as a surgeon in Gaza." He testified to a UK Committee.

Or this doctor ...

"Dr. Victoria Rose, a British plastic and reconstructive surgeon"

womanofthehills

(10,324 posts)
20. An American woman Dr claimed that it was confiscated when she arrived
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:12 PM
Aug 14

If I find the video - I will post it. She was the American Dr who said she treated many gun shot wounds in children.

Here is a dad who managed to get some baby formula- he is beyond happy.


?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ

lapucelle

(20,626 posts)
27. The bottle tiktoker awadbarbakh1 puts into the baby's mouth is empty.
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:25 PM
Aug 14

Who monetizes content using a baby as a prop?



ihaveaquestion

(4,021 posts)
21. So what would constitute valid evidence to you?
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:14 PM
Aug 14

Based on your posts here, I think only video of Israeli officials/soldiers doing the deed and sworn statements from the same would be sufficient.

Are all others suspect in your world? If so, this makes your suspicions suspect in/of themselves.

womanofthehills

(10,324 posts)
23. The American woman doc said American doctors have to bring in their own food
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:18 PM
Aug 14

for their entire stay. So - this - Dr put baby formula in with her own food she was bringing in and they confiscated the formula.

Orrex

(65,925 posts)
47. I've also heard the claim that Hamas uses children as human shields
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 02:41 PM
Aug 14

Do you reject that claim as equally ridiculous? Why or why not?

lapucelle

(20,626 posts)
48. So you reject the claim that the IDF uses children for target practice as ridiculous.
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 02:47 PM
Aug 14

Imagine going on a news program and repeating such a claim.



Orrex

(65,925 posts)
51. I doubt that the IDF is lining them up on a shooting range
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 03:25 PM
Aug 14

But Netanyahu’s years-long campaign of deliberate civilian murder might be described as target practice, especially if we’re embracing the figurative language used by the “Hamas uses human shields” crowd.

lapucelle

(20,626 posts)
53. Here's a report from the "Hamas uses human shields crowd" at NATO
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 03:47 PM
Aug 14
that predates Hamas's October 7 invasion of Israel and the concomitant rape-torture-murder spree by almost 9 years.

Hamas’ use of Human Shields in Gaza

https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf

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And here's an October 26, 2023 video of the late billionaire Hamas terrorist leader Ismail Haniyeh explaining Hamas's strategy of using human shields.

Hamas Leader Ismail Haniyeh: We Need The Blood Of Women, Children, And The Elderly Of Gaza – So It Awakens Our Revolutionary Spirit

"I have said this before, and I say it time again. The blood of the women, children, and elderly… I am not saying that this blood is calling for your [help]. We are the ones who need this blood, so it awakens within us the revolutionary spirit, so it awakens within us resolve, so it awakens within us the spirit of challenge, and [pushes us] to move forward."

https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-gaza-bombing-new-holocaust-need-blood-women-children-elderly-awakens-spirit-resolve






Orrex

(65,925 posts)
57. The ravings of a terrorist are not, in themselves, compelling
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 04:26 PM
Aug 14

That sort of hyperbolic language is the stock and trade of terrorists who have no effective weapons beyond frenzy. Our esteemed ally Bibi meanwhile bombs whole neighborhoods to rubble and starves children by the thousands, so who would you say is more responsible for current day murders? A dead fanatic in an open air prison? Or a live billionaire cashing ten- figure checks from the US?

AloeVera

(3,677 posts)
59. The gaslighting and reality-inversion is really something, isn't it?
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 05:30 PM
Aug 14

It used to trigger me. I just shake my head now. Sometimes I don't even do that!

Progress!

I love your responses, Orrex.

lapucelle

(20,626 posts)
61. Why aren't the public statements of the chairman of a terrorist political bureau "compelling"?
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 05:56 PM
Aug 14

What makes you think that Hamas leaders had "no effective weapons"? Not only did Haniyeh threaten Israel; he also threatened Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

"All the agreements of normalisation that you (Arab states) signed with (Israel) will not end this conflict," Haniyeh declared on Qatar-based Al Jazeera television shortly after Hamas fighters launched their assault on Israel on Oct. 7, killing 1,200 people and taking more than 200 people hostage.


========================================

Ismail Haniyeh was a fat, pink, and polished multi-millionaire terrorist leader who lived a life of luxury in Qatar. He was the guy selected to be prime minister in 2006 when the last elections were held and Hamas took over Gaza. He was also the public face and spokesman for Hamas, post October 3. He was having a visit with the Ayatollah in a palace in Iran when he was killed.

--------------------------------------------------------

Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh leads group's diplomacy as Gaza war rages

Nov 23 (Reuters) - Ismail Haniyeh, the Hamas leader based in Qatar, has been the tough-talking face of the Palestinian group's international diplomacy as war has raged back in Gaza where his family home was destroyed in an Israeli air strike in November.
Appointed to the militant group's top job in 2017, he has moved between Turkey and Qatar's capital Doha, escaping the travel restrictions of the blockaded Gaza Strip and enabling him to act as a negotiator in the latest ceasefire deal or talk to Hamas' main ally Iran.

Appointed to the militant group's top job in 2017, he has moved between Turkey and Qatar's capital Doha, escaping the travel restrictions of the blockaded Gaza Strip and enabling him to act as a negotiator in the latest ceasefire deal or talk to Hamas' main ally Iran.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-leads-groups-diplomacy-gaza-war-rages-2023-11-23/







Orrex

(65,925 posts)
63. Because they're bluster and because he's dead.
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 06:22 PM
Aug 14

And I mean "compelling" as in "compelling evidence." He was thumping his chest with the kind of empty invective we've seen many times before. Why do you choose to believe this frothing pronouncement while also dismissing any statement from within Gaza that doesn't support your narrative?

Bibi's apologists tend to define "human shields" as "any Palestinian civilian who exists while any member of Hamas exists." That is, the "human shields" bullshit is used to justify thousands upon thousands upon thousands upon thousands of civilian murders by Bibi's regime, and as long as IDF claims that someone from Hamas was reported in the area; then the civilians that Bibi murdered were being used as shields.

At the end of the day, there are really only two positions here: either you're fine with genocidal civilian murder on a massive scale, or you are not.

Which side do you suppose history will favor?

lapucelle

(20,626 posts)
64. October 7 was the invasion-genocidal-rape-torture-murder on a massive scale event.
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 06:49 PM
Aug 14

There is only one entity that holds the power to IMMEDIATELY and UNILATERALLY end the war they started: HAMAS.

And they have held that power from Day 1.

Hamas has agency. It needs to do what even the Arab League called on it to do 10 days ago: release the hostages, disarm, and surrender.

Orrex

(65,925 posts)
65. How long are Bibi's cheerleaders going to play that card?
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 08:08 PM
Aug 14

How many tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians does Netanyahu get to murder before his tireless apologists cry foul?

I’m guessing, from all available information, that no such figure exists.

Hamas is a vile terrorist regime that should be wiped out to its last member. Meanwhile Netanyahu is bombing hospitals and is starving children.

The nation of Israel has forfeited any moral authority that it might once have claimed, and Bibi's apologists can be dismissed as advocates for genocide.

Response to lapucelle (Reply #64)

Orrex

(65,925 posts)
68. When you get to the point of replying with vid clips, you've declared that you have nothing to add
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 09:26 PM
Aug 14

Hamas has no power nor reach to commit genocide, though Hamas is indeed a vile terrorist regime. Meanwhile Netanyahu is murdering innocent civilians by the thousands while his apologists cheer him on.

Israel is an ally that we fund extremely generously, while Netanyahu is actively committing genocide in real time. One would think that we'd hold our very well-funded ally to a higher standard than a shitbag terrorist sect, but here we are.


For whatever reason, certain parties are all-in on genocide, as long as the "right people" are exterminated.

Orrex

(65,925 posts)
70. The OP is starting a discussion; your post attempted to end it
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 09:41 PM
Aug 14

You assert (without evidence or rhetorical support) that Hamas has agency in this.

You would meanwhile have us believe that Israel, with the most advanced and well-funded military in the region, is somehow powerless to act in the face of this mysterious foe. We've heard that rhetoric for many decades.

You are advocating--with conspicuous vigor--for the continued slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians, and here is the essence of your argument as you've presented it:

Hamas saying that they want to commit genocide is much, much worse than Israel actually committing genocide with the generous financial support of the US.


Again, I wonder how history will view Israel's actions in this.

lapucelle

(20,626 posts)
71. Now the argument is "Hamas has no agency"?
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 09:49 PM
Aug 14
agency
noun

2: the capacity, condition, or state of acting or of exerting power

Orrex

(65,925 posts)
73. Oh FFS
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 09:58 PM
Aug 14

No, the argument is between your view that the slaughter of innocent Palestinians is fine and the civilized world's view that Netanyahu is committing genocide.

You asserted that Hamas has agency, specifically the power to end Netanyahu's years-long campaign of deliberate civilian murder. So if you're now wheedling out of it by claiming that simply meant that Hamas has the ability to exert power, then you are guilty of profound intellectual dishonesty.

On top of advocating for the continued slaughter of innocent Palestinians, of course.


lapucelle

(20,626 posts)
74. So to recap...
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 10:11 PM
Aug 14
- Hamas has agency

- October 7 was a genocidal event

- Hamas leader Haniyeh (who lived in the lap of luxury in Qatar) said on the record that "Hamas needs the blood of women, children, and the elderly of Gaza

- the confiscation of cans of a powdered substance found in people's luggage at a hyper-secure border crossing is SOP

- there was no formula in the bottle tiktoker awadbarbakh1 put in the baby's mouth

Oh yes, and

Hamas has the power to unilaterally and immediately end the war (which they started) by releasing the hostages, disarming, and surrendering.

And they've held that power from Day 1.


lapucelle

(20,626 posts)
80. Which part is "patently false propaganda"?
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 10:21 AM
Aug 15
- President Biden's spokesman John Kirby's statement that October 7 demonstrated "genocidal intentions"?

- President Biden's spokesman John Kirby's statement that "What Hamas wants, make no mistake about it, is genocide"

- the 24 page NATO report detailing Hamas's use of human shields as a lawfare strategy going back to 2007?

https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf

- Hamas terrorist leader Ismail Haniyeh's statement during a televised interview that, "We need the blood of women, children, and the elderly of Gaza so it awakens our revolutionary spirit"?

https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-gaza-bombing-new-holocaust-need-blood-women-children-elderly-awakens-spirit-resolve

- the facts that Hamas not only has agency, but that they also have the power to end this war immediately and unilaterally by releasing the hostages, disarming, and surrendering and that they have held that power from day 1?

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250729-qatar-saudi-egypt-join-call-for-hamas-to-disarm-give-up-gaza-rule

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A reminder from the Biden Administration that words have meanings.





Dave Bowman

(5,753 posts)
83. I feel sorry for you, eventually you'll have a rude awakening. Or not, I'm not sure which would be worse.
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 01:20 PM
Aug 15

lapucelle

(20,626 posts)
86. Yes, well, there you have it. Now back to the matter at hand: which part is "patently false propaganda"?
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 04:01 PM
Aug 15
- President Biden's spokesman John Kirby's statement that October 7 demonstrated "genocidal intentions"?

https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2023/11/20/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-and-nsc-coordinator-for-strategic-communications-john-kirby-29/

- President Biden's spokesman John Kirby's statement that "What Hamas wants, make no mistake about it, is genocide"?

https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2023/11/20/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-and-nsc-coordinator-for-strategic-communications-john-kirby-29/

- the 24 page NATO report detailing Hamas's use of human shields as a lawfare strategy going back to 2007?

https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf

- Hamas terrorist leader Ismail Haniyeh's statement during a televised interview that, "We need the blood of women, children, and the elderly of Gaza so it awakens our revolutionary spirit"?

https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-gaza-bombing-new-holocaust-need-blood-women-children-elderly-awakens-spirit-resolve

- the facts that Hamas not only has agency, but that they also have the power to end this war immediately and unilaterally by releasing the hostages, disarming, and surrendering and that they have held that power from day 1?

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250729-qatar-saudi-egypt-join-call-for-hamas-to-disarm-give-up-gaza-rule


EdmondDantes_

(858 posts)
82. That's not the position of Israel.
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 11:42 AM
Aug 15

Even ignoring that Israel's continued expansion of settlements is evidence that the previous ceasefire wasn't actually a status of peace (and likewise given Hamas is still committed to the destruction of Israel, they weren't really at peace either, just rearming) the Netanyahu government has 5 key objectives.

The return of all 50 hostages, 20 of whom are believed to still be alive.
The disarming of Hamas.
Israeli security control over the enclave.
The demilitarization of Gaza.
The establishment of an alternative civilian administration that is neither Hamas nor the Palestinian Authority.

Only 2 of those are fully up to Hamas. And given the anger of a majority of the Israeli public that supports removing Palestinians from Gaza entirely, there's no reason to believe even if Hamas returned all hostages and dispersed to other countries or turned themselves in to some justice system, whether Israeli or ICC, that the intentional starvation and such would end. Likewise there's no reason to believe that if Hamas did that they wouldn't immediately start thinking of ways to go right back to their terrorist ways. History is a guide and neither side is innocent of continuing efforts to gain power over the other.

https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2025/08/08/netanyahu-to-capture-gaza-city/

https://www.newsofisrael.com/israel/2025-06-04/shocking-poll-82-of-jewish-israelis-back-gaza-expulsion/

lapucelle

(20,626 posts)
85. Deseret News is a right wing website owned by the Church of the Latter Day Saints.
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 03:50 PM
Aug 15

newsofisrael.com is so dodgy that it doesn't even bother with an "about" page.


While they don't have an "about" page, they certainly appear to have an agenda.













muriel_volestrangler

(104,531 posts)
79. Good Morning Britain, the morning news programme on ITV in Britain; NBC
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 08:39 AM
Aug 15


Walking through the ward, Elidalis Burgos, an American critical care nurse volunteering at Nasser Hospital, visited several babies and children. One boy in an orange shirt lay in a cot, his limbs and face bandaged after he was injured from a strike that killed his family. A month later, the angles of his bones were visible under his thin skin.
...
Burgos said that she had witnessed the Israeli military throw away baby formula brought in by the international aid workers, doctors and nurses from her medical nongovernmental agency Glia.

“Even as aid workers, the little bit that we try to bring in, it gets thrown away,” she said, adding, “We are not allowed to bring in food or formula for babies or children here.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/middle-east/no-formula-no-food-mothers-babies-starve-together-gaza-rcna220758

lapucelle

(20,626 posts)
81. The confiscation of cans of a powdered substance found in people's luggage
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 11:18 AM
Aug 15

at a hyper-secure border crossing is most likely standard operating procedure.



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ihaveaquestion

(4,021 posts)
22. Israelis ARE responsible because their government is responsible. Some are stepping up to protest, which is great.
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:17 PM
Aug 14

Not all Israelis are Jews, so why go there?

angrychair

(11,077 posts)
29. My comment
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:29 PM
Aug 14

Is specific to the government of Israel. A government that is well aware of the tragedy and hate that their citizens and their families have faced.
Its in the context of that reality that makes what is happening in Gaza all the more painful.
People that should have empathy and understanding towards a group of people without land of their own that are attacked and slandered by others seem to have none at all.

This is a problem far older than us and nothing is simple as talking about it on a message board but both Hamas and Israeli government has had lots of opportunities to repair things and neither party was willing to do that and for 17+ years the Palestinian people as well as many others, have suffered because of those choices.

sarisataka

(21,938 posts)
42. No it is not
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 02:14 PM
Aug 14

The “final solution” was not directed at the Israeli government, it was the attempted extermination of Jews
Amazing how an innocent category of people were targeted and had awful things said and done to them, was not the Israeli government, they were Jews

Those two statements indicate the “they” used in the sentence-
Then, not even a 100 years later, they decide to murder an entire category of people that they don't like
Means “they” are Jews

angrychair

(11,077 posts)
50. No, it's not
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 03:25 PM
Aug 14

You are trying to make this antisemitic and I find that incredibly offensive. We can be critical of Israel's decisions and actions without it being about their religion.
No government is beyond criticism.

sarisataka

(21,938 posts)
52. I never said the word antisemitic
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 03:41 PM
Aug 14

I was pointing out the grammar and the conclusion it leads to. (Having a child who is a honors English student has made me very aware of precision in language.)

By all means criticize the Israeli government, I do. But when doing so make sure you are not encompassing a group greater than what you intend.

lapucelle

(20,626 posts)
43. Medhi Hasan cannot comprehend why cans of a powdered substance
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 02:20 PM
Aug 14

would be confiscated at a hyper-secure border crossing.

Last week's sources were Briahna Joy Gray, Cenk Yuger, Ana Casparian, Katie Halper, Sagaar Enjeti*, Tucker Carlson, and Red Pill USA.

This week, it's Medhi Hasan, tiktoker awadbarbakh1, and JimmyJ4thewin.

At least we're getting to the bottom of the barrel.

*Sagaar Enjeti told Tucker Carlson last week that Ghislaine Maxwell is a political prisoner in jail for a victimless crime and that he wants The Hague to open an investigation.



AloeVera

(3,677 posts)
58. Only of the "right" people. The powerless and "inconvenient" others..
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 05:16 PM
Aug 14

If it were anyone else - one of "us" - it would have been stopped somewhere around October 2023. When the genocide began.

Equality and human rights for me, but not for thee.

I swear Western civilization is the biggest hypocrite in history.

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lapucelle

(20,626 posts)
55. Wait. Are you talking about Jews?
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 04:10 PM
Aug 14

Your post explicitly says "Jews".

Israel does not "claim to worship a God". Israel does not claim to be "The chosen people".

So who exactly are you claiming has a "blood lust"?

sarisataka

(21,938 posts)
56. As you noted at the accusation is explicit
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 04:26 PM
Aug 14

Unlike the other post which was poor grammar, causing a conflation, this one does not even try to hide the accusation that Jews lust for blood

Orrex

(65,925 posts)
28. This continues Netanyahu's years-long campaign of deliberate civilian murder
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:26 PM
Aug 14

One wonders whose side he’d have been on in decades past.

Chasstev365

(6,139 posts)
30. War Crimes Trials NOW!!!!!!!
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:33 PM
Aug 14

Absolutely no one can defend this!

Has anyone Israeli rightwinger declared we can't allow future generations of Palestinians to undermind Israel?

My God: Have they learned nothing from their own history in Europe not even 100 years ago?

lapucelle

(20,626 posts)
44. It's a war crime to confiscate cans of a powdered substance
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 02:23 PM
Aug 14

at a hyper-secure border crossing?

Mossfern

(4,296 posts)
32. I have a dispassioniate but important question
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 01:48 PM
Aug 14

How many bottles of formula does 3 cans make?
While I understand the good intentions of the doctor, efforts must be made to supply a sustainable supply of nutrition for infants and children (adults too!)

Also are there any security concerns about what is actually in those cans of formula - like things being smuggled in?
What is the overall shortage of formula and is breast feeding encouraged?

AloeVera

(3,677 posts)
60. Mothers' milk has dried up for many months now.
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 05:49 PM
Aug 14

Because of chronic malnutrition. Aid agencies and doctors have been reporting this for MONTHS now. Reports first surfaced even last year. Restrictions on aid have been systematic since October 2023.

"Encourage" breast feeding? WTH?

Are we to think Palestinian mothers are too stupid or uncaring to figure that out?

Ping Tung

(3,505 posts)
54. There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people. Howard Zinn
Thu Aug 14, 2025, 03:53 PM
Aug 14

I find it obscene that there are human beings that try to justify murdering or starving anyone for any nation, cause, or religion.

David__77

(24,458 posts)
78. It's clear that for months Israel blocked entry of baby formula along with other food. Starving babies was the point.
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 08:17 AM
Aug 15

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cliffside

(1,309 posts)
87. For those asking for more info on this there are US doctors who have spoken out on this issue ...
Fri Aug 15, 2025, 10:31 PM
Aug 15

one needs to be curious and look.

I deleted a reply here with a new thread about some US doctors who are hoping to visit members in Congress about their experiences in Gaza including formula being confiscated.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220563216





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