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hlthe2b
(111,192 posts)
Israelis (many) are as angry as I am to see what Netanyahu has done to Israel's reputation--years after their righteous response to October 7 turned into something decidedly NOT. They don't deny what is being done in their name and certainly don't defend it. Only Netanyahu's far right-wing extremists do (and sadly some of his deniers--including some number in the US).



is an evil monster. If what he is doing isnt genocide, I dont know what is.
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mountain grammy
(28,156 posts)halobeam
(5,060 posts)I'm between venting and having no words. I suppose no words atm.
Sneederbunk
(16,606 posts)harumph
(2,973 posts)"... if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."
murielm99
(32,313 posts)Is there only Zeteo?

Israel limits entry of baby formula in Gaza as infants die of hunger
While waiting to enter Gaza on a medical aid mission, an American doctor watched Israeli security forces confiscate the cans of powdered baby formula packed in his luggage. The vital product is desperately lacking in the Palestinian enclave, where about 50 children have died of hunger since March.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/07/01/israel-limits-entry-of-baby-formula-in-gaza-as-infants-die-of-hunger_6742899_4.html
https://archive.ph/DoP78

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/07/01/israel-limits-entry-of-baby-formula-in-gaza-as-infants-die-of-hunger_6742899_4.html
By Laure Stephan (Beirut, Lebanon correspondent)
Published on July 1, 2025, at 11:30 am (Paris)
At the end of June, an American doctor was preparing to travel to Gaza for a medical mission. His suitcases were filled with cans of baby formula, gauze, bandages and sanitary pads. He believed he was doing the right thing: The Palestinian population of the enclave, bombarded and starved by the Israeli army, lacks everything. While in Amman, a mandatory gathering point for foreign medical missions heading to Gaza, the coordinator of the convoy, Palestinian-German ophthalmic surgeon Diana Nazzal urged him to lighten his load. "If you only have medical supplies and no personal belongings, you risk being turned away, or even jeopardizing the whole mission," she explained.
The American doctor followed her instructions, reducing the baby formula in his luggage to three cans. Once at the Allenby Bridge crossing between Jordan and the Israeli-occupied West Bank, however, his personal belongings were searched by Israeli security guards manning the terminal on the Palestinian side.
"The baby formula was confiscated," said Nazzal. "What other explanation is there, if it's not that hunger is being used as a weapon of war in the ongoing genocide in Gaza?" Local health workers said baby formula is desperately lacking in the enclave, especially specialized formula for premature babies or lactose-free formula for babies with intolerances. Many mothers, suffering from malnutrition, are unable to breastfeed.
'Severe malnutrition'
COGAT, the branch of the Israeli army that coordinates the entry of humanitarian aid, told the Associated Press that more than 1,000 metric tons of baby food, including infant formula, have been delivered to Gaza since May 19, when Israeli authorities very slightly eased the complete humanitarian blockade imposed on the coastal territory for two and a half months.
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sprinkleeninow
(21,525 posts)The destruction of human life especially. The apparent deliberate harm to those seeking food sustenance.
Sorry, but I cannot believe much reporting issued by the IDF as valid.
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ihaveaquestion
(4,021 posts)I don't know why you question the veracity of Zeteo, but here are some other stories.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-hampering-entry-of-baby-formula-into-gaza-as-child-malnutrition-climbs/
https://aurdip.org/en/israel-limits-entry-of-baby-formula-in-gaza-as-infants-die-of-hunger/
https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/israel-stops-aid-ship-carrying-baby-formula-to-gaza/
https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2025/7/14/israel-stopped-this-doctor-bringing-baby-formula-into-gaza
lapucelle
(20,626 posts)Your link to the Times of Israel July 11 story isn't even about the claim that cans of powdered "baby feed" were confiscated from people's luggage.
"We stress that Israel does not collect customs on humanitarian aid brought into Gaza.
"Regarding the security checks," it continued, "the increased stringency of checks at the crossings is due to credible information that Hamas is exploiting the aid for smuggling purposes. The goal is to prevent continued smuggling of goods that Hamas uses to finance terrorist activity."
ihaveaquestion
(4,021 posts)What do you expect them to do, admit that they're ok with depriving babies? That is seriously naive.
lapucelle
(20,626 posts)it wouldn't surprise me if cans of powder in someone's luggage were flagged at any highly secured border crossing anywhere in the world.
The doctor said he heard the claim that cans of powder were removed from luggage second hand. The doctor also claimed in an interview on Sky News that he heard that the IDF uses children for target practice.
womanofthehills
(10,324 posts)If I find the video - I will post it. She was the American Dr who said she treated many gun shot wounds in children.
Here is a dad who managed to get some baby formula- he is beyond happy.
Link to tweet
?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ
lapucelle
(20,626 posts)Who monetizes content using a baby as a prop?


Totally Tunsie
(11,136 posts)"Celebrating" when he should have been nourishing. His point was what??
Mossfern
(4,296 posts)This was totally staged, down to the empty baby bottle.
You do your cause a disservice by posting clips like this.
Anyone who believes this particular tictok is a fool.
Honestly, I expected better of you.
RockCreek
(1,086 posts)All air travel was complete, formula undisturbed.
lapucelle
(20,626 posts)Hardly surprising.
cliffside
(1,309 posts)".... Maynard says he and other doctors have observed clusters of similar injuries head wounds one day, abdominal wounds the next raising questions about the intent behind the shootings. "[This] is beyond coincidence," he said.
"The clustering of symptoms is what makes it so dramatic. And it is something that we at all levels ER doctors, general surgeons, urology surgeons, neurosurgeons have all recognized this clustering of injuries."
Or you could listen to this doctor ...
Links ...
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220536564
"Ex-NHS surgeon Nizam Mamode broke down as he told the international development committee what he witnessed when working as a surgeon in Gaza." He testified to a UK Committee.
Or this doctor ...
"Dr. Victoria Rose, a British plastic and reconstructive surgeon"
womanofthehills
(10,324 posts)If I find the video - I will post it. She was the American Dr who said she treated many gun shot wounds in children.
Here is a dad who managed to get some baby formula- he is beyond happy.
Link to tweet
?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ
lapucelle
(20,626 posts)Who monetizes content using a baby as a prop?


ihaveaquestion
(4,021 posts)Based on your posts here, I think only video of Israeli officials/soldiers doing the deed and sworn statements from the same would be sufficient.
Are all others suspect in your world? If so, this makes your suspicions suspect in/of themselves.
womanofthehills
(10,324 posts)for their entire stay. So - this - Dr put baby formula in with her own food she was bringing in and they confiscated the formula.
Orrex
(65,925 posts)Do you reject that claim as equally ridiculous? Why or why not?
lapucelle
(20,626 posts)Imagine going on a news program and repeating such a claim.
Orrex
(65,925 posts)But Netanyahus years-long campaign of deliberate civilian murder might be described as target practice, especially if were embracing the figurative language used by the Hamas uses human shields crowd.
lapucelle
(20,626 posts)https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf
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And here's an October 26, 2023 video of the late billionaire Hamas terrorist leader Ismail Haniyeh explaining Hamas's strategy of using human shields.
"I have said this before, and I say it time again. The blood of the women, children, and elderly I am not saying that this blood is calling for your [help]. We are the ones who need this blood, so it awakens within us the revolutionary spirit, so it awakens within us resolve, so it awakens within us the spirit of challenge, and [pushes us] to move forward."
https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-gaza-bombing-new-holocaust-need-blood-women-children-elderly-awakens-spirit-resolve

Orrex
(65,925 posts)That sort of hyperbolic language is the stock and trade of terrorists who have no effective weapons beyond frenzy. Our esteemed ally Bibi meanwhile bombs whole neighborhoods to rubble and starves children by the thousands, so who would you say is more responsible for current day murders? A dead fanatic in an open air prison? Or a live billionaire cashing ten- figure checks from the US?
AloeVera
(3,677 posts)It used to trigger me. I just shake my head now. Sometimes I don't even do that!
Progress!
I love your responses, Orrex.
lapucelle
(20,626 posts)What makes you think that Hamas leaders had "no effective weapons"? Not only did Haniyeh threaten Israel; he also threatened Saudi Arabia and Egypt.
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Ismail Haniyeh was a fat, pink, and polished multi-millionaire terrorist leader who lived a life of luxury in Qatar. He was the guy selected to be prime minister in 2006 when the last elections were held and Hamas took over Gaza. He was also the public face and spokesman for Hamas, post October 3. He was having a visit with the Ayatollah in a palace in Iran when he was killed.
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Nov 23 (Reuters) - Ismail Haniyeh, the Hamas leader based in Qatar, has been the tough-talking face of the Palestinian group's international diplomacy as war has raged back in Gaza where his family home was destroyed in an Israeli air strike in November.
Appointed to the militant group's top job in 2017, he has moved between Turkey and Qatar's capital Doha, escaping the travel restrictions of the blockaded Gaza Strip and enabling him to act as a negotiator in the latest ceasefire deal or talk to Hamas' main ally Iran.
Appointed to the militant group's top job in 2017, he has moved between Turkey and Qatar's capital Doha, escaping the travel restrictions of the blockaded Gaza Strip and enabling him to act as a negotiator in the latest ceasefire deal or talk to Hamas' main ally Iran.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-leads-groups-diplomacy-gaza-war-rages-2023-11-23/


Orrex
(65,925 posts)And I mean "compelling" as in "compelling evidence." He was thumping his chest with the kind of empty invective we've seen many times before. Why do you choose to believe this frothing pronouncement while also dismissing any statement from within Gaza that doesn't support your narrative?
Bibi's apologists tend to define "human shields" as "any Palestinian civilian who exists while any member of Hamas exists." That is, the "human shields" bullshit is used to justify thousands upon thousands upon thousands upon thousands of civilian murders by Bibi's regime, and as long as IDF claims that someone from Hamas was reported in the area; then the civilians that Bibi murdered were being used as shields.
At the end of the day, there are really only two positions here: either you're fine with genocidal civilian murder on a massive scale, or you are not.
Which side do you suppose history will favor?
lapucelle
(20,626 posts)There is only one entity that holds the power to IMMEDIATELY and UNILATERALLY end the war they started: HAMAS.
And they have held that power from Day 1.
Hamas has agency. It needs to do what even the Arab League called on it to do 10 days ago: release the hostages, disarm, and surrender.
Orrex
(65,925 posts)How many tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians does Netanyahu get to murder before his tireless apologists cry foul?
Im guessing, from all available information, that no such figure exists.
Hamas is a vile terrorist regime that should be wiped out to its last member. Meanwhile Netanyahu is bombing hospitals and is starving children.
The nation of Israel has forfeited any moral authority that it might once have claimed, and Bibi's apologists can be dismissed as advocates for genocide.
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lapucelle
(20,626 posts)Orrex
(65,925 posts)Hamas has no power nor reach to commit genocide, though Hamas is indeed a vile terrorist regime. Meanwhile Netanyahu is murdering innocent civilians by the thousands while his apologists cheer him on.
Israel is an ally that we fund extremely generously, while Netanyahu is actively committing genocide in real time. One would think that we'd hold our very well-funded ally to a higher standard than a shitbag terrorist sect, but here we are.
For whatever reason, certain parties are all-in on genocide, as long as the "right people" are exterminated.
lapucelle
(20,626 posts)


Orrex
(65,925 posts)You assert (without evidence or rhetorical support) that Hamas has agency in this.
You would meanwhile have us believe that Israel, with the most advanced and well-funded military in the region, is somehow powerless to act in the face of this mysterious foe. We've heard that rhetoric for many decades.
You are advocating--with conspicuous vigor--for the continued slaughter of innocent Palestinian civilians, and here is the essence of your argument as you've presented it:
Again, I wonder how history will view Israel's actions in this.
lapucelle
(20,626 posts)noun
2: the capacity, condition, or state of acting or of exerting power
No, the argument is between your view that the slaughter of innocent Palestinians is fine and the civilized world's view that Netanyahu is committing genocide.
You asserted that Hamas has agency, specifically the power to end Netanyahu's years-long campaign of deliberate civilian murder. So if you're now wheedling out of it by claiming that simply meant that Hamas has the ability to exert power, then you are guilty of profound intellectual dishonesty.
On top of advocating for the continued slaughter of innocent Palestinians, of course.
lapucelle
(20,626 posts)- October 7 was a genocidal event
- Hamas leader Haniyeh (who lived in the lap of luxury in Qatar) said on the record that "Hamas needs the blood of women, children, and the elderly of Gaza
- the confiscation of cans of a powdered substance found in people's luggage at a hyper-secure border crossing is SOP
- there was no formula in the bottle tiktoker awadbarbakh1 put in the baby's mouth
Oh yes, and
Hamas has the power to unilaterally and immediately end the war (which they started) by releasing the hostages, disarming, and surrendering.
And they've held that power from Day 1.

Dave Bowman
(5,753 posts)Good luck with that, that's all they have.
lapucelle
(20,626 posts)https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf
https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-gaza-bombing-new-holocaust-need-blood-women-children-elderly-awakens-spirit-resolve
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250729-qatar-saudi-egypt-join-call-for-hamas-to-disarm-give-up-gaza-rule
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A reminder from the Biden Administration that words have meanings.

Dave Bowman
(5,753 posts)lapucelle
(20,626 posts)https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2023/11/20/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-and-nsc-coordinator-for-strategic-communications-john-kirby-29/
https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2023/11/20/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-and-nsc-coordinator-for-strategic-communications-john-kirby-29/
https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf
https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-leader-ismail-haniyeh-gaza-bombing-new-holocaust-need-blood-women-children-elderly-awakens-spirit-resolve
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250729-qatar-saudi-egypt-join-call-for-hamas-to-disarm-give-up-gaza-rule

EdmondDantes_
(858 posts)Even ignoring that Israel's continued expansion of settlements is evidence that the previous ceasefire wasn't actually a status of peace (and likewise given Hamas is still committed to the destruction of Israel, they weren't really at peace either, just rearming) the Netanyahu government has 5 key objectives.
The return of all 50 hostages, 20 of whom are believed to still be alive.
The disarming of Hamas.
Israeli security control over the enclave.
The demilitarization of Gaza.
The establishment of an alternative civilian administration that is neither Hamas nor the Palestinian Authority.
Only 2 of those are fully up to Hamas. And given the anger of a majority of the Israeli public that supports removing Palestinians from Gaza entirely, there's no reason to believe even if Hamas returned all hostages and dispersed to other countries or turned themselves in to some justice system, whether Israeli or ICC, that the intentional starvation and such would end. Likewise there's no reason to believe that if Hamas did that they wouldn't immediately start thinking of ways to go right back to their terrorist ways. History is a guide and neither side is innocent of continuing efforts to gain power over the other.
https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2025/08/08/netanyahu-to-capture-gaza-city/
https://www.newsofisrael.com/israel/2025-06-04/shocking-poll-82-of-jewish-israelis-back-gaza-expulsion/
lapucelle
(20,626 posts)newsofisrael.com is so dodgy that it doesn't even bother with an "about" page.
While they don't have an "about" page, they certainly appear to have an agenda.


muriel_volestrangler
(104,531 posts)...
Burgos said that she had witnessed the Israeli military throw away baby formula brought in by the international aid workers, doctors and nurses from her medical nongovernmental agency Glia.
Even as aid workers, the little bit that we try to bring in, it gets thrown away, she said, adding, We are not allowed to bring in food or formula for babies or children here.
https://www.nbcnews.com/world/middle-east/no-formula-no-food-mothers-babies-starve-together-gaza-rcna220758
lapucelle
(20,626 posts)at a hyper-secure border crossing is most likely standard operating procedure.
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sarisataka
(21,938 posts)All Jews or just Israeli Jews?
ihaveaquestion
(4,021 posts)Not all Israelis are Jews, so why go there?
angrychair
(11,077 posts)Is specific to the government of Israel. A government that is well aware of the tragedy and hate that their citizens and their families have faced.
Its in the context of that reality that makes what is happening in Gaza all the more painful.
People that should have empathy and understanding towards a group of people without land of their own that are attacked and slandered by others seem to have none at all.
This is a problem far older than us and nothing is simple as talking about it on a message board but both Hamas and Israeli government has had lots of opportunities to repair things and neither party was willing to do that and for 17+ years the Palestinian people as well as many others, have suffered because of those choices.
sarisataka
(21,938 posts)The final solution was not directed at the Israeli government, it was the attempted extermination of Jews
Amazing how an innocent category of people were targeted and had awful things said and done to them, was not the Israeli government, they were Jews
Those two statements indicate the they used in the sentence-
Then, not even a 100 years later, they decide to murder an entire category of people that they don't like
Means they are Jews
angrychair
(11,077 posts)You are trying to make this antisemitic and I find that incredibly offensive. We can be critical of Israel's decisions and actions without it being about their religion.
No government is beyond criticism.
sarisataka
(21,938 posts)I was pointing out the grammar and the conclusion it leads to. (Having a child who is a honors English student has made me very aware of precision in language.)
By all means criticize the Israeli government, I do. But when doing so make sure you are not encompassing a group greater than what you intend.
lapucelle
(20,626 posts)would be confiscated at a hyper-secure border crossing.
Last week's sources were Briahna Joy Gray, Cenk Yuger, Ana Casparian, Katie Halper, Sagaar Enjeti*, Tucker Carlson, and Red Pill USA.
This week, it's Medhi Hasan, tiktoker awadbarbakh1, and JimmyJ4thewin.
At least we're getting to the bottom of the barrel.
*Sagaar Enjeti told Tucker Carlson last week that Ghislaine Maxwell is a political prisoner in jail for a victimless crime and that he wants The Hague to open an investigation.
live love laugh
(15,787 posts)AloeVera
(3,677 posts)If it were anyone else - one of "us" - it would have been stopped somewhere around October 2023. When the genocide began.
Equality and human rights for me, but not for thee.
I swear Western civilization is the biggest hypocrite in history.
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murielm99
(32,313 posts)WTF? I cannot believe I am seeing such a thing on DU.
lapucelle
(20,626 posts)Your post explicitly says "Jews".
Israel does not "claim to worship a God". Israel does not claim to be "The chosen people".
So who exactly are you claiming has a "blood lust"?
sarisataka
(21,938 posts)Unlike the other post which was poor grammar, causing a conflation, this one does not even try to hide the accusation that Jews lust for blood
Orrex
(65,925 posts)One wonders whose side hed have been on in decades past.
Chasstev365
(6,139 posts)Absolutely no one can defend this!
Has anyone Israeli rightwinger declared we can't allow future generations of Palestinians to undermind Israel?
My God: Have they learned nothing from their own history in Europe not even 100 years ago?
lapucelle
(20,626 posts)at a hyper-secure border crossing?
Chasstev365
(6,139 posts)David__77
(24,458 posts)Mossfern
(4,296 posts)How many bottles of formula does 3 cans make?
While I understand the good intentions of the doctor, efforts must be made to supply a sustainable supply of nutrition for infants and children (adults too!)
Also are there any security concerns about what is actually in those cans of formula - like things being smuggled in?
What is the overall shortage of formula and is breast feeding encouraged?
ihaveaquestion
(4,021 posts)AloeVera
(3,677 posts)Because of chronic malnutrition. Aid agencies and doctors have been reporting this for MONTHS now. Reports first surfaced even last year. Restrictions on aid have been systematic since October 2023.
"Encourage" breast feeding? WTH?
Are we to think Palestinian mothers are too stupid or uncaring to figure that out?
iemanja
(56,615 posts)That is the rationale.
questionseverything
(11,192 posts)Dave Bowman
(5,753 posts)Scalded Nun
(1,486 posts)Nothing else you can say.
Nigrum Cattus
(964 posts)None of this would be happening
questionseverything
(11,192 posts)Chasstev365
(6,139 posts)Dave Bowman
(5,753 posts)Ping Tung
(3,505 posts)I find it obscene that there are human beings that try to justify murdering or starving anyone for any nation, cause, or religion.
David__77
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cliffside
(1,309 posts)one needs to be curious and look.
I deleted a reply here with a new thread about some US doctors who are hoping to visit members in Congress about their experiences in Gaza including formula being confiscated.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220563216