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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy the MAGAts are the way they are...and yeah, there's absolutely no cure.
Sent to me this early A.M. by a understandingly worried friend:The question was posed, "Why do people continue supporting Trump no matter what he does?" A lady named Bev answered it this way:
You all don't get it. I live in Trump country, in the Ozarks in southern Missouri, one of the last places where the KKK still has a relatively strong established presence.
They don't give a shit what he does. He's just something to rally around and hate liberals, that's it, period.
He absolutely realizes that and plays it up. They love it. He knows they love it.
The fact that people act like it's anything other than that proves to them that liberals
are idiots, all the more reason for high fives all around.
If you keep getting caught up in "why do they not realize this problem" and "how can they still back Trump after this scandal," then you do not understand what the underlying motivating factor of his support is. It's fuck liberals, that's pretty much it.
Have you noticed he can do pretty much anything imaginable, and they'll explain some way that rationalizes it that makes zero logical sense?
Because they're not even keeping track of any coherent narrative, it's irrelevant. Fuck liberals is the only relevant thing.
Trust me; I know firsthand what I'm talking about.
That's why they just laugh at it all because you all don't even realize they truly don't give a fuck about whatever the conversation is about.
It's just a side mission story that doesn't matter anyway.
That's all just trivial details - the economy, health care, whatever.
Fuck liberals.
Look at the issue with not wearing the masks.
I can tell you what that's about. It's about exposing fear. They're playing chicken with nature, and whoever flinches just moved down their internal pecking order, one step closer to being a liberal.
You've got to understand the one core value that they hold above all others is hatred for what they consider weakness because that's what they believe strength is, hatred of weakness.
And I mean passionate, sadistic hatred.
And I'm not exaggerating. Believe me.
Sadistic, passionate hatred, and that's what proves they're strong, their passionate hatred for weakness.
Sometimes they will lump vulnerability in with weakness.
They do that because people tend to start humbling themselves when they're in some compromising or overwhelming circumstance, and to them, that's an obvious sign of weakness.
Kindness = weakness. Honesty = weakness.
Compromise = weakness.
They consider their very existence to be superior in every way to anyone who doesn't hate weakness as much as they do.
They consider liberals to be weak people that are inferior, almost a different species, and the fact that liberals are so weak is why they have to unite in large numbers, which they find disgusting, but it's that disgust that is a true expression of their natural superiority.
Go ahead and try to have a logical, rational conversation with them. Just keep in mind what I said here and be forewarned.

Skittles
(164,535 posts)oh and let me guess: THEY CONSIDER THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS!!!
Linda ladeewolf
(906 posts)Skittles
(164,535 posts)yup
Justice matters.
(8,392 posts)And they still won't care...
Skittles
(164,535 posts)they will just blame it on Biden, Hillary, Obama, Kamala, etc.
PatrickforB
(15,221 posts)The same leopards are also eating our faces.
LearnedHand
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That may indeed be evolving into a different species. Or maybe devolving. The conservative brain consistently differs from the liberal brain in fMRI studies. Their tribalism certainly harkens back to a crueler, far more bellicose time in human development. I have no empathy for their stance, but I have a great deal of anger at the decades-long creation of the neo-Neanderthal through decimation of societal structures and feeding their basest instincts.
sfdennis1
(50 posts)100% DEVOLVING. Lacking in critical thinking skills, distress tolerance, intellectual curiosity, logical reasoning and while having myriad other cognitive dysfunctions they are regressing while we are (at least attempting) to EVOLVE towards increased reason, intelligence, compassion etc etc. Please lets not let them drag us back down into the primordial sewer as they continue their descent.
hlthe2b
(109,939 posts)non-white IMO. Everything comes down to racism and white power.
mdbl
(6,559 posts)It was when he gained a large audience I knew our country was full of weirdos.
rubbersole
(9,877 posts)Paul Harvey had a daily segment that preceded the Limbaugh era by years. Right leaning but not intentionally divisive and cruel. Harvey's audience was primed for the Rushbo "takers" line of bs. My mother was one. She went from sweet and kind to constantly angry at the world. We have a society that's like that.
slightlv
(5,602 posts)Have made me just as passionately mad as them. I honestly don't think I'd ever go sadistic, but hate them with a white hot anger? Yeah I'm there... and i hate it because they've changed a vital part of who i was.
barbtries
(30,449 posts)krasnov infected them through incessant propaganda and pandering with the maga disease. #MassSociopathy
their hate is more important to them than love, which they no longer recognize.
travelingthrulife
(2,406 posts)They hate women with gusto.
hlthe2b
(109,939 posts)I agree.
Cosmocat
(15,170 posts)if you side with them ...
soldierant
(8,571 posts)Maybe most of it.
Walleye
(40,696 posts)Certainly would hate Jesus if he showed up. And sadistic is the word theyre answered. Everything is cry harder Libtard.
Callie1979
(721 posts)Dont waste effort on them. One of the biggest problems we have right now is too many people are far too willing to lump ALL people who voted for Trump as being the same as these idiots.
These idiots love trump because he's a "tough guy" even though he cowers in front of REAL tough guys. They think he's "sent by God" even though he's the least christian man to ever hold the office. By far. They think he's owning the Libs even though THEY (and their parents) are going to be hurt by his policies.
And many of them have been failures at life, compared to how they see others living; like the trump clan. So they think THEY can be more successful by loudly following the grifters.
Focus on the people who voted for Biden in 2020 but trump in 2024. Like those who voted for Obama TWICE but trump in '16.
There are several reasons we lost. Some obvious, some no one wants to talk about. If we dont accept reality we'll lose again. And I do NOT want that to happen. Trumpism must be defeated. We'll need the right candidate AND the right CAMPAIGN to do it.
mdbl
(6,559 posts)Ignorant and stupid people. So the strategy needs to be how do we get them to feel as stupid about our democracy as they do fascism.
hamsterjill
(15,900 posts)If being able to "control your own body" doesn't get that segment of the population's attention, I do not know what could.
Spoken as an old and perpetual feminist who has fought her whole life for equality and to preserve Roe v Wade. Do none of them ever think they might need an abortion? A friend might need one? Their mother might need one?
I will never understand how a woman, and particularly a young woman, in this country could EVER vote for a Republican.
Martin Eden
(14,387 posts)And souls who stayed home can be motivated to the polls.
cutroot
(1,000 posts)Joinfortmill
(18,130 posts)no_hypocrisy
(51,704 posts)as Trump? Save for the costume and bloviating, their messages seem parallel.
sop
(14,441 posts)Trump has perfected the high art of demagoguery. He's also a consummate bullshit artist and a gifted con man. That's his "genius."
Blaukraut
(5,962 posts)Trumps base has been primed by Fox, Limbaugh, Jones, etc for decades, and more recently social media joined the ranks of poisoning the minds of gullible people.
Layzeebeaver
(1,954 posts)just to add the metaphor - that social media was the lit match on top of the pile of poor white people soaked in the gasoline that's been pouring on them since RayGun eliminated the equal time doctrine.
magicarpet
(18,333 posts)..... on steroids. Especially the males and more particularly the younger males who see their White Privilege becoming irrelevant.
They are lashing out and trying to slay the fire breathing boogyman who has done this to them - the Libtards of course are the culprits. The Libs who must be made to suffer - and their policies eradicated - so White America can once again regain their freedom and prosper above, prosper ahead, and prosper beyond all others comprising the totality of the human race.
This is the niche djt has carved out for himself and craftfully exploited to become King-Fuhrer-Dictator in charge. So that he can then plunder and pilfer from the US Treasury to his heart's content.
Djt has the audacity to says,... I never took a penny of the $400K presidential salary. In matter of fact - every penny was donated to charity, so he says. But the $400M Palace in the Sky - plus the $1 billion dollar refurbishment required - all at taxpayer's expense - should all be donated to me (djt) with full personal access into perpetuity as a reward for the good work Team trDUMP did while in office to benefit America.
What an astronomical return on investment. Forego $400,000.00 [thousand] - but then rake in $1,400,000,000.00 [nearly 1.5 billion] for your personal pleasure, all at taxpayer's expense.
The grift of a conman - who has achieved par excellence in his field of endeavor. Openly pilfering and plundering from his countrymen without one iota of shame or remorse. Even though the US Constitution specifically stipulates he should conduct himself otherwise.
Wednesdays
(20,514 posts)
appmanga
(1,141 posts)...and they saw the danger in promoting white supremacy as a political ideology. That thought it was political death. There were plenty of Republicans who did the "wink and nod" stuff, but the standing with the Klan guy was a step too far.
Until the black guy got elected president.
I'm never amazed anymore at the contortions some will twist into to disbelieve bigotry and racism are the driving factors among the majority of Trump's voters. Most of these people are very satisfied their president is a cross between Archie Bunker and John Gotti. They'll put up with the corruption as long as he's attacking immigrants of color and black Americans, and the pokes at the latter are being ratcheted up more and more. Unfortunately for Trump, Steven Miller, and the rest of the white supremacist, White Nationalist, fascist cabal, black folks recognize their very weak-assed game and aren't playing.
These people love Trump for the same reason they love right-wing tools like Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, and others who idiots accept for some reason as being smart people: they scratch their itch for bigotry. It's not about being liberal; it's about not being white.
Cosmocat
(15,170 posts)these people's brains were mush by the time he came down the escalator ....
Joinfortmill
(18,130 posts)I hope the very lives of their loved ones move them, because people are going to die under this administration. If that doesn't move them, they are not human. So Fuck 'em.
haele
(14,230 posts)Their God is like a drunk, greedy, lazy former Sports Star, loving only to the favored obedient "children" who do what it takes to please it and stand between it and responsibility. It's a Bully.
Respect is Fear.
One's children, friends, or beloved relatives can be happily sacrificed if it makes the MAGA God happy. The Dead or disabled will end up in a happier, suburban White Picket Fence Technicolor afterlife for their sacrifice, a better place than this dirty reality where they're outnumbered 10-to-1 by Liberals, People of Color, Educated Elites, Foreigners, and Heretic Unbelievers telling them they're wrong ..
Buckeyeblue
(5,914 posts)The copy-cats, like Ron DeSantis, fail big time. I think it's because Trump has spent his entire life believing his own lies. So he comes across as authentic.
He is almost like a 100 years plague. I think when he dies MAGA dies with him.
Callie1979
(721 posts)Not sure if thats worked with Scientology, but with these halfiwts I really think its TRUMP. Vance or JR or DeSantis just dont have the celebrity or the *perceived* business & entertainment success DJT has/had.
Most of these people also voted for Bush & displayed the "Miss me yet?" bumper stickers. But they didnt fly "Bush" flags & have parades and the like. Now they think W was a Democrat.
Supposedly his 40 Wall St building in NYC has a HUGE debt payment coming in less than 2 months; I'm curious how he's going to scam his way out of that
Buckeyeblue
(5,914 posts)I'm sure he has no problem soliciting funds. No one else could or will get away with the things he does.
I'm an atheist but if I were a believer I would really have to wonder if he was truly Satan.
Callie1979
(721 posts)And another very good one; just Google Psalms 10:2-7. Never has there been a more perfect Biblical description of a man. I'd love to hear your opinion.
cksmithy
(330 posts)I am an now an atheist, looked the verse up, it is spot on.
Callie1979
(721 posts)Buckeyeblue
(5,914 posts)But I think it describes a lot of different people as well. Elon, for example. Putin.
slightlv
(5,602 posts)I was just wondering while reading all this that it sure sounds like devil has been loosed for his thousand year reign by these good "christians". I found an article saved on my HD that compares trump to Revelation and the antichrist. Tho like statistics you can twist words, but man... with both twisting trump fulfilled every aspect.
I'd love to post it but it's really long and ive had it saved down for so long with no memory where I found it... sigh.
soldierant
(8,571 posts)soldierant
(8,571 posts)Orrex
(65,242 posts)Not calling for violence, mind you. I just want them Raptured up into Trump's fetid orifice, there to spend eternity doing what they love, leaving the world to the rest of us.
dedl67
(27 posts)The 'hatred of weakness' is actually an admission of their own weakness and hatred of those they feel are superior to them and looking down on them.
C. S. Lewis long ago recognized the general MAGAT type.
In his Screwtape Proposes a Toast, Screwtape (the devil), speaking to the annual dinner of the Tempters Training College, describes to the tempters the type of human who resents every kind of superiority in others; denigrates it; wishes its annihilation, so the tempters can take advantage of that resentment so as to secure the damnation of these little souls. As Screwtape explains, this type of human wishes for a dictator to pull everyone down to their own level. MAGATs are the current form of the little souls Screwtape is talking about.
ecstatic
(34,788 posts)Let's be clear on that. There were people rotting in jail for him who came out and still support him. Obviously, no matter the reason, they're all traitors and/or dumb as fuck.
Magats, please understand: You did not "own the liberals," you owned yourselves. You purposely set out to destroy our country by supporting a criminal who doesn't give a fuck about you or anyone besides himself. Maybe you're too dumb to realize that now, but you will. Millions of people are going to die as a result of the shit he's done in the past few months. Whether it's a pandemic or nuclear war or a combination of both, the carnage is coming. You cannot undo that many things without major, major consequences.
Paladin
(30,570 posts)Why waste your time figuring out how to cure them, when you could be using that time and effort to hate them and plot ways to get even with them for what they've done to our nation? The sooner we take action against these cretins, the sooner this nightmare will be behind us---we can go back to being nice people, sometime in the future.
Scrivener7
(55,827 posts)I'm sure none of them understands that.
JT45242
(3,352 posts)There is self, us, and them.
They want to hurt the "them" more than they want to help the US.
It's dysfunctional. It's stupid.
But it makes them happy
Black, brown, jew, educated. woman....doesn't matter. If they are not an US (just like me) they want to see them suffer
In other words, Magas are brain dead.
Oopsie Daisy
(5,825 posts)Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
augyboston
(344 posts)I don't want to understand them or try to figure out why they are the way they are.
I have utter disdain for all of them!
CaptainTruth
(7,671 posts)Faux News & many other sources, delivering repeated messaging that "liberals are evil" over & over until they're brainwashed into believing it.
They weren't born hating liberals, the "fuck liberals" attitude is a symptom, a result of a bigger problem. We need to find a way to deal with the cause & counter the propaganda that made them that way.
It won't be easy or quick, but I believe it's our only hope of truly saving America.
Tickle
(4,131 posts)I talk to my brother and family in Florida almost every day trust me, theyre on the same page.
Thats why I crack up when I see comments like, Theyll turn on him now, or Just wait until it affects them. And the ever-popular, Dont come crying to us. Meanwhile, my familys sitting in the sun, laughing at us like were the punchline of the joke.
travelingthrulife
(2,406 posts)Simply green with envy. They also want to get something without earning it. My MAGA sister-in-law sells vitamins in a evangelical pyramid scheme company. She calls herself a healer and thinks she should be given the pay and privileges of doctor or nurse. Many of these homeschoolers think they should be treated as educators when they are barely teaching their kids anything. TV spokespeople thinking they should be in charge of the military because they talk about it on tv.
All of the people in this administration are like this.
Metaphorical
(2,415 posts)They are narcissistic, dark triad personalities, extreme extroverts who need the stimulus of status, wealth, power, in order to feel significant. They see themselves as predators in a dangerous world, usually have very little empathy for anyone. They are mentally lazy, and thinking is, literally, very difficult for them - they usually lack the flexibility of mind to deal with adaptation, and consequently want to have a great deal of control over others so they don't have to change. They are also fundamentally angry because they need testosterone and adrenaline in order to feel stimulated, and as they get older, that wanes, and consequently they are either angry or depressed. This is primarily true of men, though I think that women are influenced by this imbalance as well, but they are also influenced by financial insecurity. Not surprisingly, birth control shifted the equation dramatically there, and it is one of the reasons that anything that gives women autonomy is considered anathema among the MAGAts, especially among the Religious Right.
LS0999
(187 posts)I don't see any difference.
Aristus
(70,055 posts)Fuck them and their rural, pissant, provincial, brainless ideas about strength and weakness. They're the ones voluntarily living on slag heaps and bowing down to the coal barons.
Hey Cooter! You're strong? Then you don't need all that pirated oxycodone, do you?
Playingmantis
(408 posts)a good recession will change their minds.. They hate anyone not like them and Trump takes advantage of this..Democracy, decency , honesty mean nothing to these hateful zealots
However, when they find themselves unable to afford a doctor when sick,. when food is too expensive , when their dollar buys a lot less...when they lose their jobs...then they will change..
Not quickly and not all of them..but when the rosy picture Trump the Pied Piper has painted turns out to be hell ..then and ONLY then will they change.
Metaphorical
(2,415 posts)I think the core of Maga is with Trump to the bitter end. They believe that all the bad things that happen are Biden's fault, and that Trump is fighting valiantly against the tide but it's just going to take more time to fix all the problems that the Democrats caused.
These are True Believers. They've always made up about 1/4 of the population, and they will take their hate with them to the grave.
Arazi
(7,854 posts)Far too many MAGAts will never leave the cult no matter how he destroys their lives
usonian
(17,948 posts)
Blue Full Moon
(2,179 posts)There is a class on the Great Courses about cults. MAGA checks all the boxes.
Wednesdays
(20,514 posts)We can do it again.
2MuchNoise
(144 posts)It's the racism, stupid.
Evolve Dammit
(20,695 posts)Tootbsb
(122 posts)Dan
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We should eliminate immediately Revenue Sharing.
That would be the ultimate fuck you to the Liberals, not forcing our money on them.!
Dock_Yard
(207 posts)Maybe you could rewrite some of that to make clear who's sending / receiving the "FY".
It is the screwing we receive as a Blue States by sending money to the Red States through Revenue Sharing.
And
There is FU Blue States receive by the actions of the Red States against the national interest.
And
What will be the ultimate FU is by stopping Revenue Sharing to the Red States, that way they will ultimately be Fd.
unblock
(55,171 posts)StocktonNative
(134 posts)
kimbutgar
(25,174 posts)Billy is a major maga who calls into a lot of progressive shows and thinks he is the smartest guy in the world and the orange hitler is the greasiest president ever. Today he said that the Democrats are the terrorists in this country and when Thom asked him about the January 6th insurrectionists he eluded to that they were the real patriots. The guy is so far gone if his orange monster shot an innocent person on 5th avenue he would be ok and say that the convicted felon had a legal right. They can no longer discern reality nor right vs wrong. The cult is strong with these people and its sad they will end up having their lives ruined by this abomination of a pResident.
I hope and pray we survive this reign of terror the next 4 years.
That said it will be interesting seeing the powerful storms hitting this country and it is hurting the areas they live in and no government help is going to be there for them because their orange monster only cares about himself and attaining more power.
markodochartaigh
(2,944 posts)orange monster shot an innocent person on 5th avenue he would be ok..."
Actually, Trump did the presidential equivalent of shooting someone on 5th Ave. He ramped up executions of prisoners on Federal death row, in order to stir up support before the election. And, yes, the executions did gin up his base.
I know that Thom likes to have conservatives on, and I have heard Billy before, but I personally don't enjoy or find useful that part of Thom's program.
WinstonSmith4740
(3,309 posts)They still call themselves "Christians", right?
One of my favorite clips from one of my favorite movies says it all. The "money line" is at the end.
LT Barclay
(2,949 posts)Be The Light
(97 posts)The are absolute morons!
aocommunalpunch
(4,470 posts)Absolute misery. I wish them to tear each other apart. I wish them intense hatred of their own failings. Fuck them all. May they rot.
Marie Marie
(10,195 posts)first turned "liberal" into a dirty word. Before that, it was just an ideology - like conservative. Today, that almost seems quaint.
Mblaze
(572 posts)They are weak.
Figarosmom
(5,923 posts)That's what they say. But the real hatred comes from jealousy.
They don't believe they can be anything more than stupid.
Dock_Yard
(207 posts)Something like, MAGAts are stupid people who cannot perceive their stupidity, thus they cannot hope to become smarter.
Figarosmom
(5,923 posts)But don't want to do anything about it in fear of it being confirmed.
Like they hate the unions because they require schooling in tbe trades to belong. So they say fu k that I already know all I need to know ( take electricians for example) and never apply to an apprenticeship,, because they are afraid it would expose a lot they don't know. So they are jealous about being stuck in low wage non union jobs.
OMGWTF
(4,733 posts)tulipsandroses
(7,297 posts)that democrats must change course to reach the " working man".
Throw minorities under the bus to focus on them. I completely reject the idea that there are some magic words that democrats can say to make them change their minds. The "right messaging or messenger" will reach them. Nope.
That is complete waste of time.
I used to enjoy reading FAFO stories. Now they disgust me. I have yet to hear any regret or remorse for what they have done. Just tears about their own plight. They would do it again if it means that every one else but them is hurt in the process. They don't care about democracy, they don't care about law and order, they don't care about anything they claim to care about. Their hate is the most important thing.
They are not voting against their interest. They are voting for their interest .To maintain white superiority. Particularly white straight male superiority.
Trump voters are either stupid, immoral or bigots.
PortTack
(35,640 posts)I liken it to the days when smoking was first banned in restaurants, then stores and shops, then not within 20 ft of the front door. Smokers threw a fit for a while, now they know its socially unacceptable. They still smoke, but they dont say anything.
creeksneakers2
(7,671 posts)DBoon
(23,732 posts)...in 1946 a poll by the US Occupying Forces showed a steady support of 25-30% for the idea of National Socialism, even after the campaign to teach about the Holocaust. And the November Pogroms, which had all too public been about killing, humiliating and deporting Jews, hadn't decreased Hitler's popularity.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2anghm/what_percentage_of_the_german_population_actually/
(yes I know it is a Reddit discussion group)
This is after the hardships of WWII, the destruction of most of Germany, and its occupation by allied powers. Even then, a quarter of the population thought well of Hitler.
DBoon
(23,732 posts)This is why over a million deaths from Covid did not register with them Even having close friends and relatives die didn't budge their attitudes.
I would think a catastrophe of this magnitude would be a political disaster for whoever was president.
It wasn't, because they believe people who die from Covid die because they are weak. The strong people survived. That's the way it should be. No problem with a million deaths, just a culling of the weak.
Karasu
(1,259 posts)This is the reason the Republican Party even still fucking exists after the last 10 years.
Noodleboy13
(444 posts)Granted, I attack on sight. I know for a fact you're a Magat? Maced. Totally unproked. Oh shit, now your face is on fire, you can't breathe, and tears are streaming down your face. Time for me to go to work with my cane. Quick ankle trip, oh shit! Now you're flat on your back. This is when the fun can really begin. This is my design.
Peace,
Noodleboy
Hassler
(4,346 posts)Hysterically as you tell stories of magats getting their faces eaten by Chumpo
Bread and Circuses
(778 posts)Marcuse
(8,442 posts)Jack Valentino
(2,143 posts)I hope it hurts them like FUCK...
and the tariffs, too...
moondust
(20,881 posts)(formerly the United States)