Annoys me when David Frum is right

[irisblue]

Link to tweet

[Altho *we on DU* all know the "Original Sin of America" is the slavery and racism it bred]

[Tommy Carcetti]

1. Frum's been right on a lot of things for a while now.

I know he was a speechwriter for Bush years ago, but he's been pretty on point about the national and international situation for a long time.

I recall he understood the situation in Ukraine and Russia back in 2014 when a lot of people--including a fair share here at DU--didn't get it at the time.

[PatSeg]

23. Yes, I've been surprised at how often I have agreed with

Frum in recent years. As they age, it appears some people actually do mellow and become better human beings. I can recall the days when I abhorred Jennifer Rubin from the Washington Post. Now she is spot-on pretty much all of the time.

Shoot, even Karl Rove talks sense now and then, though I still can't stand him.

[Tommy Carcetti]

31. Ditto Bill Kristol and Joe Walsh. nt

[PatSeg]

32. Oh yes, Bill Kristol

was another one I was trying to remember. I've been surprised at how many sane and reasonable former republicans are out there, but even more surprised that regardless of that fact, republicans won the House, Senate, and White House in the last election. I swear they must be manufacturing new republicans to replace the ones that have left the party (or cheating I suppose).

[True Dough]

43. And George Conway and Amanda Carpenter

and Tim Miller and Nicolle Wallace and Steve Schmidt and Alyssa Farah Griffin. I'm sure there are plenty more. Trump has driven away many people who have a conscience.

[Yoyoyo77]

41. Me too, also as a long time DC metro resident.

[sop]

2. You know, I haven't seen Garland's name mentioned for a while. Wonder what he's up to?

[Irish_Dem]

3. Counting his rubles and laughing to the bank.

[OldBaldy1701E]

18. I find that scenario... feasible.

https://i.postimg.cc/xTzwD5rR/temp-Image-BM3y-P6.avif

[spanone]

25. How come trmp hasn't gone after Garland????

Curious minds want to know.

[BComplex]

54. Curious minds....already have a good idea!

[spanone]

56. We all know, eh?

[La Coliniere]

4. So sad to contemplate this truth

[Picaro]

5. Agree--that this is why we're here

Our original sin is genocide, theft of the land from the rightful inhabitants, and slavery.

So, I quibble with that phrasing.

But not the main point.

Everything flows from failing to prosecute Trump for insurrection and rebellion.

Posted about this earlier. That is when our justice system finally fully failed.

[chowder66]

6. Nope. The original sin was the Republican Party not impeaching him.

[Big Blue Marble]

7. That was their choice which our leadership could not control.

This one is on our leadership. Garland's resistance to prosecute Trump
until it was too late was an unforced error that will reverberate through history,

[Mtnmama]

14. Original sin, as far as trump goes,

Was electing him as president in the first place

[DENVERPOPS]

20. The Republican Party

should have had the House impeach him the first hours of his first term, and the Senate a few hours later voting him out.
Then we would have had Pence, alot less destruction for the next four years, and not a fear of JDVance as president, like they are faced with if they do it now......I doubt Putin had anything on Pence to blackmail him with.......

[D_Master81]

8. How this never happened I'll never know

I remember on Jan 6th saying “well at least Trump 2024 and hopefully Trumpism died on the steps of the Capitol today”. When the GOP started walking back condemnations in the months that followed and charges weren’t brought I knew he would be back in the White House. I’ve spent the past year preparing mentally

[Mr.WeRP]

22. It happened because Biden picked Garland as AG

And Garland did less than nothing.

[scarletlib]

9. As far a Trump is concerned, the original sin was the failure of the Congress to impeach him.

They had 2 opportunities to do so. Impeachment would left have removed him from power forever.

[MLWR]

12. Congress DID impeach him.

The failure lay with MOSCOW MITCH's republican controlled senate which refused to convict and remove him.

[scarletlib]

55. I stand corrected. He was impeached twice.

What I should have said is that the Senate on 2 occasions failed to convict and remove Trump from office.

Impeachment is a 2 step process and the 2nd step ended in acquittal despite the evidence.

[ananda]

10. Not just slavery; also genocide.

Our country was taken over from the natives
by immigrants who, I believe, were really
horrible psychopaths.

Then psychopathic slave owners took over
the south.

These two combined is what we have now,
who have co-opted Nazism as their MO
in order to bring back genocide and slavery.

[JCMach1]

11. He's not wrong.... Trump should have been sent to Guantanamo

[BobTheSubgenius]

13. I feel exactly the same way about Frum.

Strange days indeed.

[PJMcK]

15. The original sin was electing Trump the first time

The country was manipulated by Russians, Fox News, Republican dishonesty, James Comey and basically lots of stupid and/or ill-informed voters.

This was followed by Merrick Garland's dereliction of duty for 2 years before going after Trump.

Our country is never going to be the same, I'm afraid.

[JHB]

16. Well, he's not right if he thinks that was the "original" sin. He's one of the people who built the road to Trump

He spent his career on that work crew, diligently laboring day after day to catapult the propaganda to Republican voters and foster "our team" reflexes.

He's just another of the nitwits who suddenly realized in 2015 or 16 where their life's work was leading, and tried to sidle away from it and hope nobody noticed.

[elocs]

17. It's the original sin of the Trump era, what put us here now, not of the history of the U.S. n/t

[LisaM]

19. At the very least....

He should have been banned for running for public office again. I kind of remember that was on the table at one point.

I so wish that had happened, Trump could have milked his grievance and gotten all the attention he craves, and we wouldn't be where we are now.

Anyone associated with GW Bush can pound sand as far as I am concerned. Along with election theft, it's his Supreme Court that okayed Citizens United and upended the Voting Rights Act. And that includes Frum and Nicolle Wallace, who so far have declined to apologize for normalizing that fool.

[roscoeroscoe]

21. Frum has been very good for a while now

The Atlantic carries his work, consistently good. Haven't listened to his podcast.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

24. Annoys you? Are you happier for him to be wrong? . . . nt

[barbtries]

26. and yet, not quite.

the Big Lie and the incitement of that act, they are more like original sins.

this is republicans's fault.

But say it was true. I would argue that the original sin was not prosecuting nixon for his crimes. none of this would have happened if republicans saw that there would be real negative consequences for their bad acts.

[peggysue2]

27. In the Age of Trump . . .

David Frum has been on the right side of many things.

He never bought into Trump. He never believed Trump.

What he clearly understood: the man was/is a criminal, a liar, a narcissist, a greed head who would cause enormous damage to our Republic and the world.

Of course, unless you're in a cult trance, these things are pretty obvious.

[Figarosmom]

28. I know.

[North Coast Lawyer]

29. Garland was Trump's accomplice

Merrick Brian Garland is right up there with Benedict Arnold.

[democrank]

30. There is plenty of blame to go around

We the People….millions of us….should have taken to the streets and demanded Trump be held accountable for leading that violent coup.

We should have demanded Congress….Republicans, Democrats, Independents….hold criminal Trump responsible. We should have threatened withholding financial support and votes. We should have boycotted, called, emailed, texted….and not stopped until they listened.

Am I saying nobody did anything? NO. I’m saying too few of us did something. We have to save what is left of our country before it’s too late. I honestly can’t believe what has happened.

RISE UP!

[poozwah]

33. frum hunger

even when frum is right, he isn’t. the difference between him and other rePUBICans is that he is jumping ship faster than the many who will go down with the shit. clowns like frum are always on tv shows when they shouldn’t be given that the dangers posed by der furor were obvious to anybody who is wise enough to see that blind loyalty to a party is destructive.

[H2O Man]

34. Recommended.

Frum is an intelligent man, who holds the republican values of yester year.

The "original sin" came well before human beings from Africa were brought here in chains. It was found in the relationships between the Native American and Euro-American peoples. Indeed, it was this that allowed for the later institution of slavery.

[maxsolomon]

35. Yeah, it's not that impressive to be right like that.

I've had the same insight as have millions of others.

[alwaysinasnit]

36. I place the blame squarely on Moscow Mitch. He had two opportunities to shelve this

monstrosity and yet he refused to do so.

[Martin68]

37. No, the original sin was voting against the removal of Trump from office after his first impeachment.

Trump's first impeachment took place after a formal House inquiry found that he had solicited foreign interference in the 2020 U.S. presidential election to help his re-election bid, and had then obstructed the inquiry itself by telling his administration officials to ignore subpoenas for documents and testimony. The inquiry reported that Trump withheld military aid and an invitation to the White House from Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy in order to influence Ukraine to announce an investigation into Trump's political opponent Joe Biden, and to promote a discredited conspiracy theory that Ukraine–⁠not Russia–⁠was behind interference in the 2016 presidential election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_impeachment_of_Donald_Trump

[Grins]

38. A fav of mine from Frum...

…was in a story about Fox News.

Frum was quoted saying politicians thought they had Fox in their pocket, watching their back, only later to understand that Fox owned them.

[Skittles]

39. WHY is someone who never conceded and tried to overthrow the government allowed to run at all?

WHAT KID OF FUCKED UP SHIT IS THAT

[Cha]

40. I'll take it.. Mahalo, irisblue & David Frum!

Dead On!

[Gimpyknee]

42. You're all wrong.

I see all of your comments about the original sin and refute them all. The original sin happened on 30 April 2011 at the White House Correspondent’s Dinner when President joked about Trump. If Trump hadn’t been sitting there and openly mocked he might never had run for president.

[ProfessorGAC]

44. It's Obama's Fault?

Interesting point of view there.

[Gimpyknee]

45. Absolutely.

Many say Trump decided to run for president after Obama embarrassed him with his jokes.

[Orrex]

47. "many say"

[Gimpyknee]

48. Just Google it.

Multiple news outlets have reported such.

[Orrex]

49. "many say" lots of things. And many then say "just Google it."

[Gimpyknee]

52. And some just choose to remain ignorant.

[Orrex]

53. Yeah, but don't feel bad.

Eventually you'll learn not to freak out over what "many say."

[GusBob]

50. I'll risk the hide and say it

BO took an oath to protect our country against all enemies foreign and domestic

He knew about Russian interference in the 2016 election and didn’t do enough to prevent it

Some days I wish Mrs Clinton had beaten him in their primary battle. She would have stopped Putin

And none of what we are going thru now would be happening

[Orrex]

46. It's Mary Anne MacLeod's fault for not throwing him in a woodchipper 77 years ago.

[leftstreet]

57. Nope. Failure to charge Bush and Cheney with war crimes

You're all wrong, on top of all wrong

[bucolic_frolic]

51. Republicans closed ranks quickly at that time. 'Not a coup, no insurrection, tourists, no violence.'

Trump is trying to rescind Biden pardons, will Democrats do the same to insurrectionists?

Steve Schmidt's recent video thought accountability was still coming. Show me how we get there. I'm baffled. Truly. Especially since we'll be bankrupt and unable to deal with the myriad of problems.