General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnnoys me when David Frum is right
Link to tweet
[Altho *we on DU* all know the "Original Sin of America" is the slavery and racism it bred]

Tommy Carcetti
(43,934 posts)I know he was a speechwriter for Bush years ago, but he's been pretty on point about the national and international situation for a long time.
I recall he understood the situation in Ukraine and Russia back in 2014 when a lot of people--including a fair share here at DU--didn't get it at the time.
PatSeg
(50,239 posts)Frum in recent years. As they age, it appears some people actually do mellow and become better human beings. I can recall the days when I abhorred Jennifer Rubin from the Washington Post. Now she is spot-on pretty much all of the time.
Shoot, even Karl Rove talks sense now and then, though I still can't stand him.
Tommy Carcetti
(43,934 posts)PatSeg
(50,239 posts)was another one I was trying to remember. I've been surprised at how many sane and reasonable former republicans are out there, but even more surprised that regardless of that fact, republicans won the House, Senate, and White House in the last election. I swear they must be manufacturing new republicans to replace the ones that have left the party (or cheating I suppose).
True Dough
(23,124 posts)and Tim Miller and Nicolle Wallace and Steve Schmidt and Alyssa Farah Griffin. I'm sure there are plenty more. Trump has driven away many people who have a conscience.
Yoyoyo77
(311 posts)sop
(14,382 posts)Irish_Dem
(69,993 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(7,936 posts)spanone
(139,130 posts)Curious minds want to know.
BComplex
(9,429 posts)
spanone
(139,130 posts)
La Coliniere
(1,394 posts)Picaro
(1,973 posts)Our original sin is genocide, theft of the land from the rightful inhabitants, and slavery.
So, I quibble with that phrasing.
But not the main point.
Everything flows from failing to prosecute Trump for insurrection and rebellion.
Posted about this earlier. That is when our justice system finally fully failed.
chowder66
(10,571 posts)Big Blue Marble
(5,610 posts)This one is on our leadership. Garland's resistance to prosecute Trump
until it was too late was an unforced error that will reverberate through history,
Mtnmama
(37 posts)Was electing him as president in the first place
DENVERPOPS
(12,310 posts)should have had the House impeach him the first hours of his first term, and the Senate a few hours later voting him out.
Then we would have had Pence, alot less destruction for the next four years, and not a fear of JDVance as president, like they are faced with if they do it now......I doubt Putin had anything on Pence to blackmail him with.......
D_Master81
(2,081 posts)I remember on Jan 6th saying well at least Trump 2024 and hopefully Trumpism died on the steps of the Capitol today. When the GOP started walking back condemnations in the months that followed and charges werent brought I knew he would be back in the White House. Ive spent the past year preparing mentally
Mr.WeRP
(812 posts)And Garland did less than nothing.
scarletlib
(3,538 posts)They had 2 opportunities to do so. Impeachment would left have removed him from power forever.
MLWR
(344 posts)The failure lay with MOSCOW MITCH's republican controlled senate which refused to convict and remove him.
scarletlib
(3,538 posts)What I should have said is that the Senate on 2 occasions failed to convict and remove Trump from office.
Impeachment is a 2 step process and the 2nd step ended in acquittal despite the evidence.
ananda
(31,836 posts)Our country was taken over from the natives
by immigrants who, I believe, were really
horrible psychopaths.
Then psychopathic slave owners took over
the south.
These two combined is what we have now,
who have co-opted Nazism as their MO
in order to bring back genocide and slavery.
JCMach1
(28,685 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(12,011 posts)Strange days indeed.
PJMcK
(23,721 posts)The country was manipulated by Russians, Fox News, Republican dishonesty, James Comey and basically lots of stupid and/or ill-informed voters.
This was followed by Merrick Garland's dereliction of duty for 2 years before going after Trump.
Our country is never going to be the same, I'm afraid.
JHB
(37,698 posts)He spent his career on that work crew, diligently laboring day after day to catapult the propaganda to Republican voters and foster "our team" reflexes.
He's just another of the nitwits who suddenly realized in 2015 or 16 where their life's work was leading, and tried to sidle away from it and hope nobody noticed.
elocs
(24,374 posts)LisaM
(29,209 posts)He should have been banned for running for public office again. I kind of remember that was on the table at one point.
I so wish that had happened, Trump could have milked his grievance and gotten all the attention he craves, and we wouldn't be where we are now.
Anyone associated with GW Bush can pound sand as far as I am concerned. Along with election theft, it's his Supreme Court that okayed Citizens United and upended the Voting Rights Act. And that includes Frum and Nicolle Wallace, who so far have declined to apologize for normalizing that fool.
roscoeroscoe
(1,739 posts)The Atlantic carries his work, consistently good. Haven't listened to his podcast.
Bernardo de La Paz
(55,993 posts)barbtries
(30,432 posts)the Big Lie and the incitement of that act, they are more like original sins.
this is republicans's fault.
But say it was true. I would argue that the original sin was not prosecuting nixon for his crimes. none of this would have happened if republicans saw that there would be real negative consequences for their bad acts.
peggysue2
(11,871 posts)David Frum has been on the right side of many things.
He never bought into Trump. He never believed Trump.
What he clearly understood: the man was/is a criminal, a liar, a narcissist, a greed head who would cause enormous damage to our Republic and the world.
Of course, unless you're in a cult trance, these things are pretty obvious.
Figarosmom
(5,875 posts)North Coast Lawyer
(91 posts)Merrick Brian Garland is right up there with Benedict Arnold.
democrank
(11,489 posts)We the People
.millions of us
.should have taken to the streets and demanded Trump be held accountable for leading that violent coup.
We should have demanded Congress
.Republicans, Democrats, Independents
.hold criminal Trump responsible. We should have threatened withholding financial support and votes. We should have boycotted, called, emailed, texted
.and not stopped until they listened.
Am I saying nobody did anything? NO. Im saying too few of us did something. We have to save what is left of our country before its too late. I honestly cant believe what has happened.
RISE UP!
poozwah
(329 posts)even when frum is right, he isnt. the difference between him and other rePUBICans is that he is jumping ship faster than the many who will go down with the shit. clowns like frum are always on tv shows when they shouldnt be given that the dangers posed by der furor were obvious to anybody who is wise enough to see that blind loyalty to a party is destructive.
H2O Man
(76,798 posts)Frum is an intelligent man, who holds the republican values of yester year.
The "original sin" came well before human beings from Africa were brought here in chains. It was found in the relationships between the Native American and Euro-American peoples. Indeed, it was this that allowed for the later institution of slavery.
maxsolomon
(36,567 posts)I've had the same insight as have millions of others.
alwaysinasnit
(5,422 posts)monstrosity and yet he refused to do so.
Martin68
(25,807 posts)Trump's first impeachment took place after a formal House inquiry found that he had solicited foreign interference in the 2020 U.S. presidential election to help his re-election bid, and had then obstructed the inquiry itself by telling his administration officials to ignore subpoenas for documents and testimony. The inquiry reported that Trump withheld military aid and an invitation to the White House from Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy in order to influence Ukraine to announce an investigation into Trump's political opponent Joe Biden, and to promote a discredited conspiracy theory that Ukrainenot Russiawas behind interference in the 2016 presidential election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_impeachment_of_Donald_Trump
Grins
(8,381 posts)
was in a story about Fox News.
Frum was quoted saying politicians thought they had Fox in their pocket, watching their back, only later to understand that Fox owned them.
Skittles
(164,451 posts)WHAT KID OF FUCKED UP SHIT IS THAT
Cha
(311,171 posts)Dead On!
Gimpyknee
(140 posts)I see all of your comments about the original sin and refute them all. The original sin happened on 30 April 2011 at the White House Correspondents Dinner when President joked about Trump. If Trump hadnt been sitting there and openly mocked he might never had run for president.
ProfessorGAC
(72,812 posts)Interesting point of view there.
Gimpyknee
(140 posts)Many say Trump decided to run for president after Obama embarrassed him with his jokes.
Orrex
(65,221 posts)
Gimpyknee
(140 posts)Multiple news outlets have reported such.
Orrex
(65,221 posts)
Gimpyknee
(140 posts)Orrex
(65,221 posts)Eventually you'll learn not to freak out over what "many say."
GusBob
(7,905 posts)BO took an oath to protect our country against all enemies foreign and domestic
He knew about Russian interference in the 2016 election and didnt do enough to prevent it
Some days I wish Mrs Clinton had beaten him in their primary battle. She would have stopped Putin
And none of what we are going thru now would be happening
Orrex
(65,221 posts)leftstreet
(36,759 posts)You're all wrong, on top of all wrong
bucolic_frolic
(50,497 posts)Trump is trying to rescind Biden pardons, will Democrats do the same to insurrectionists?
Steve Schmidt's recent video thought accountability was still coming. Show me how we get there. I'm baffled. Truly. Especially since we'll be bankrupt and unable to deal with the myriad of problems.