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Quiet Em

(2,547 posts)
Mon May 19, 2025, 10:40 AM May 2025

Every Democrat needs to start controlling the narrative right now

The narrative is not going to be a debate about President Biden's cognition. I don't want to see anymore Democrats participating in this bullshit.

The con artist is in office. The con artist's party controls all the branches of government. The con artist has our economy in decline because he's a mentally unstable lunatic. Our credit rating was downgraded. The con artist is at war with our Constitution. The con artist's careless, reckless, harmful agenda is the narrative.

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Every Democrat needs to start controlling the narrative right now (Original Post) Quiet Em May 2025 OP
Start focusing on this horrific bill going through Congress newdeal2 May 2025 #1
Why should I contribute to a Democratic Party that joins the anti-Biden circular JohnSJ May 2025 #2
Who is doing that? Cirsium May 2025 #4
Chris Murphy, for one n/t markpkessinger May 2025 #6
Sigh Cirsium May 2025 #7
Please . . . markpkessinger May 2025 #11
I guess Cirsium May 2025 #12
I know plenty of Democrats, both moderate and progressive . . . markpkessinger May 2025 #13
What? Cirsium May 2025 #17
Anything other than a pivot to Trump and the chaos is a circular firing squad (IMO) crimycarny May 2025 #9
Thanks Cirsium May 2025 #10
THANK YOU. Alice B. May 2025 #3
Or just in general BaronChocula May 2025 #5
It should be so easy MaineBlueBear May 2025 #8
Yes, the talking points write themselves senseandsensibility May 2025 #14
You'd think so but only a few are speakuing up and they're largely being ignored Warpy May 2025 #15
THIS! Hekate May 2025 #16

newdeal2

(4,802 posts)
1. Start focusing on this horrific bill going through Congress
Mon May 19, 2025, 10:47 AM
May 2025

Whenever you have a mega bill, there’s tons of terrible things hidden away. Start exposing them and put Republicans on the defensive for a change.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
2. Why should I contribute to a Democratic Party that joins the anti-Biden circular
Mon May 19, 2025, 10:56 AM
May 2025

firing squad insanity?

Yes, I will vote Democratic, but as far as donations they can forget about it until they actually start focusing and resisting the rethug destruction of our Democracy.

Cirsium

(3,374 posts)
4. Who is doing that?
Mon May 19, 2025, 12:20 PM
May 2025

Which Democratic party politicians are engaging in "anti-Biden circular firing squad insanity?" I haven't seen that.

Cirsium

(3,374 posts)
7. Sigh
Mon May 19, 2025, 01:11 PM
May 2025

The remarks he made are not "anti-Biden circular firing squad insanity."

It seems to me that claiming that they are and attacking Murphy is the "circular firing squad insanity."

Cirsium

(3,374 posts)
12. I guess
Mon May 19, 2025, 02:12 PM
May 2025

So you are questioning Senator Murphy's integrity and motives. I guess we could say that about all Democrats, with a few exceptions. Of course there will probably be different opinions here as to which Democrats are self-serving and which aren't, and I am going to guess that the debate on that topic will fall along the progressive/moderate split, as always. Then there will be a disagreement as to which side is guilty of causing the "circular firing squad," and the debate on that topic will also fall along the progressive/moderate split

markpkessinger

(8,881 posts)
13. I know plenty of Democrats, both moderate and progressive . . .
Mon May 19, 2025, 02:22 PM
May 2025

. . . who find Murphy's comments to be singularly unhelpful in the present moment. Quit assuming you speak for all or any of them.

crimycarny

(2,011 posts)
9. Anything other than a pivot to Trump and the chaos is a circular firing squad (IMO)
Mon May 19, 2025, 01:19 PM
May 2025

Beto, Chris Murphy, and other top Democrats need to learn from the GOP how to pivot to talking points. The media is latching onto a "Biden cognitive cover-up." Many Democrats are hemming and hawing, equivocating, or saying things like, "Well, I didn't interact with Biden a lot, but when I did, he seemed fine."

No. The answer is: "The American people care about what the Trump administration is doing right now (list all the Trump catastrophes), Joe Biden gave us (list all the Biden accomplishments).

Repeat, repeat, repeat. Every time the media tries to insinuate a cover-up, pivot to Trump chaos and Biden accomplishments.

Cirsium

(3,374 posts)
10. Thanks
Mon May 19, 2025, 01:42 PM
May 2025

I agree with that. I don't know about "a circular firing squad." That is a loaded phrase most often used against those in the progressive wing. "Cowardice" is how I would characterize the hemming and hawing, equivocating, and so on. Maddening, isn't it?

Alice B.

(696 posts)
3. THANK YOU.
Mon May 19, 2025, 10:56 AM
May 2025

While the house is actively burning down, why are we talking about whether or not a renovation a few months back was handled properly?

And if we're going to engage in What If'ism and what the party could've handled better, a way more productive conversation is the one about how we still seemed to be "caught flat-footed" when TSF was reelected? After all the campaign season talk of existential threats, not to mention the fact that we barely survived that guy's first term.

Joe Biden's cognitive state last year isn't the "confession" that anyone needs to make to the country. I feel like that's the straw man compared to the Democrat's real problems and real mistakes that contributed to where we're at. Incrementalism. Consultants. A general lack of cohesion. Literally, I feel like this is the Poseidon Adventure and we're arguing over whether the stern or the bow is the place to be.

Back in 2016, I asked what valuable lessons we learned and the answer seems to be "none." Now, if by the grace of God, we pull this one out of the abyss, the party needs to firmly grasp that we won't get a third crack at saving democracy. That's what party leaders and our elected officials need to be having a good think on.

BaronChocula

(4,042 posts)
5. Or just in general
Mon May 19, 2025, 12:31 PM
May 2025

If only all Dems repeated "republicans can't handle the American economy, republicans can't handle our foreign policy, republicans certainly can't handle pandemics. Let's be done with this republican experiment for once and for all."

We need to denigrate and humiliate to the point fewer people want to associate.

senseandsensibility

(24,255 posts)
14. Yes, the talking points write themselves
Mon May 19, 2025, 02:25 PM
May 2025

Just pick one and stick with it. This has been obvious for so long, and yet they don't do it. I was starting to think that they were finally getting it, but the last few days have proved otherwise.

Warpy

(114,393 posts)
15. You'd think so but only a few are speakuing up and they're largely being ignored
Mon May 19, 2025, 03:27 PM
May 2025

because the media are engaged in heavy sanewashing of this obviously impaired man leading a dysfunctional government.

I think they're all waiting for the election season next year, when enough of them will be speaking out in state races that the collective sanity can't be ignored completely.

I don't know how to think about this, you'd think the party would be buying adverts or something, but given the hostility of major media ownership to everything Democratic, they're probably being stymied.

Short term, we're stuck. Long term, when more people have lost businesses and the money they poured into Shitcoin because of these assholes, we might have a chance of penetrating what they call their brains. They won't heed warnings. They only notice catastrophe.

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