Trump Allows Sale of Device to Transform Firearms

[babylonsister]

https://politicalwire.com/2025/05/16/trump-allows-sale-of-device-to-transform-firearms/

Trump Allows Sale of Device to Transform Firearms
May 16, 2025 at 9:00 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard

The Trump administration has decided to permit the sale of devices that enable standard firearms to fire like machine guns, a move that one person familiar with the matter said was “by far the most dangerous thing this administration has done” on gun policy, NBC News reports.

[Irish_Dem]

1. Trump loves killing Americans.

He gets off on it.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

13. He just loves killing -- especially if his victims are powerless.

His attack on USAIDS (Musk was acting as his agent) has killed people through denying life-saving drugs. He also denied them of food they needed to feed their children.

He appointed RFK Jr., a rabid anti-vax advocate, to oversee the health system. The result has been 1,000 deaths from measles -- a disease which had been eradicated through a program of mandatory vaccinations.

Trump will be seen as not only the dumbest and most corrupt president this country has ever had, but also the cruelest.

[Vinca]

2. Wonderful. As if there wasn't enough to worry about already.

[Walleye]

3. So all this talk about being afraid of assassination was just BS

Maga always assumes that their side will have the guns

[paleotn]

6. Bad assumption.

[sop]

4. Throwing another bone to his bloodthirsty MAGA gun worshippers, to distract them from his many failures.

Trump would have his followers believe MS-13 is more of a threat to America than angry, depressed incels carrying AR-15s with bump stocks.

[Layzeebeaver]

5. The U.S. is already dead.

What’s another auto weapon going to do?

[FailureToCommunicate]

7. The awful sounds we hear...are the mass shooting victims spinning in their graves.

[TnDem]

8. re: reset triggers

The comments on this article are "exhibit A" of the ignorance of firearms and why we continually lose elections.

The reset trigger does NOTHING like the article states, and show an utter lack of mechanical knowledge of something they think is scary, but do not understand..

The reset trigger merely resets on the pull and release of the trigger instead of just the "pull"....It is NOT a machinegun, it doesn't ACT like a machinegun, and ultimately would have been lost at the SCOTUS level, simply because the trigger itself is not regulated under GCA 68 or NFA 34/37 which regulate machineguns.

These comments are why Carolyn McCarthy's 25 year old comments about "the shoulder thing that goes up" have become a right wing meme...They were given by her on MSNBC when Carlson was still on that network when asked what her legislation actually meant and she couldn't even describe it.

[Walleye]

9. Yeah, we need somebody to gunsplain this. Honestly, don't care about people who want more guns

And if only we understood guns we’d win elections? I don’t think so. do you think these guys are going to vote for us if we pander to them?

[TnDem]

21. re: understanding

I can tell you this....it is very difficult to win any argument or discussion if you can't even understand explain the basic facts to the gal on the street in Knoxville that wants to actually know what all of this means.

They damn sure won't vote for us if we can't explain how and what legislation means specifically and not emotionally.

[Walleye]

25. It's a good logic, but no matter of logic is going to convince these people. They're nuts.

And I do have respect for people have technical knowledge of guns. I just don’t think it should be our religion. I personally have never desired a gun or needed one. Never has the thought crossed my mind if I only had a gun right now. To me it’s just providing the bad guys with weapons.

[TnDem]

30. re: understanding

I suggest that you go back and re-read your own response here. You will see authoritarian emotion without a need to understand anything you dislike.

Understanding firearms is not a "religion", nor do people that do attempt to understand these things are not "nuts" as you say...It is no different than understanding Medicaid, immigration or any other issue.

Just because you decide that you decide that you don't want or need a firearm doesn't mean that possible Democratic voters in rural and even urban areas share that same hand-wringing desire to be willingly ignorant.

[Walleye]

31. Almost everyone who wants a gun should have one. But they should remember what their purpose is

I don’t wanna be ignorant about guns. I just don’t wanna be shot by some stray bullet or mass shooter who doesn’t know how to handle them. We have way too many guns in this country. And things are a lot different in city where bullets can travel very far and hit a lot of people. If I lived out in the country by the woods or something, I would want some sort of firearm, but just for critters not for people. I do appreciate the dialogue, and I know people who collect guns. It’s not such a bad hobby.

[Aristus]

33. Hey, if we have to know chapter and verse on firearms to convince

the Trumpanzees, then they should have to explain that they understand what tariffs are, and how they hurt the economy, before they go voting for some dipshit who doesn’t understand tariffs.

BTW, it’s been thirty years since I so much as touched an M-16 rifle. But I’m confident that I could still field strip it blindfolded in less than thirty seconds. Opposition to private ownership of firearms doesn’t necessarily stem from ignorance of firearms.

[ForgedCrank]

22. I was

afraid to be the one to say it, thanks for injecting facts into this.
FRT does not convert a firearm to a "machine gun" in any way, and it does not make it "full auto".
We will never win on merit if we don't start being openly honest about this stuff.

[k_buddy762]

63. Why?

Why were you afraid to be the one to say it?

[2MuchNoise]

23. Not a machine gun just lets the shooter pull the trigger faster.

Phew! I feel sooo much better about it now. NOT!

[TnDem]

24. re: "pull trigger faster"

Again, an emotional argument.

Google or YouTube "shoe string" bump stock and you will see how triggers are pulled faster with a piece of string...It means zilch except shittier aim and waste of ammunition....and time arguing against it.

This is why people with real knowledge of mechanics roll our eyes at this shit.

[Shermann]

27. Yeah I'm not losing any sleep over forced reset trigger devices

Most gun violence is one armed individual versus one unarmed individual. So armed with the most basic firearms out there it is still like shooting fish in a barrel. These devices can increase the rate of fire slightly which might change the calculus on a battlefield. But militaries will have real automatic fire weapons so there won't even be much interest there. In the hands of an average civilian making poor purchasing decisions at the gun show these will mostly likely just convert their weapons into jam-o-matics.

[NickB79]

47. I'm pretty knowledgeable about firearms, and you're dead wrong

You are describing a binary trigger. Rare Breed sells a forced reset trigger, a different type of trigger design. This is a FRT in action, by none other than Garand Thumb, one of the best shooters posting on YouTube. Watch his finger on that trigger; it doesn't move after each shot.

In performance it's no different than a full auto.

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[TnDem]

50. re: the law

The interpretation of the law states that both BT and FRT's are legal....The FRT's require a very finicky consistent pressure to make them work as shown...Binary triggers automatically double your rate of fire without a learning curve....I am aware of Garand Thumb as well as the differences between the two triggers.

Both FRT's and bumpstocks operate on a slightly similar philosophy as it takes a lot of finesse to make them work consistently as shown....BT's don't need much of a lesson.

Since everything is specific, both BT and FRT's operate consistent with federal interpretation of statute..."A single function of the trigger" being the key words...On FRT, the reset itself pushes the trigger very slightly forward after the previous shot. It is still a "single function", just like a BT....But the shooter still has to use to make the firearm actually fire each time.

[JPK]

55. Just how much...

Manly gear can this man child wear? It's like he hit a army surplus store and stocked up on molle bags and mag pouches. The headset with mic is a nice touch. It completes the ensemble.

[jmowreader]

49. This is a video of someone using one of these

The firer in this video is the man who invented the forced reset trigger, Lawrence DeMonico, President of Rare Breed Triggers. Having been in the Army and having fired the M16A1 rifle in AUTO mode, the M16A2 rifle in BURST mode and the M60 machine gun I can safely say I know what a machine gun looks like.

And that, my friend, is a machine gun.

[k_buddy762]

53. This is correct

More fear mongering for a mechanical device that operates nothing like the article claims.

[BradBo]

10. Someone's gonna get to him using a bump stock.

[Dave Id]

11. Gun nutz

Will gun nutz line up at gun dealers at midnight like gamers waiting at Best Buy and Walmart for a new game system?

[RainCaster]

12. Mexico will love this!

Their suit against the US for providing so many automatic arms to the drug cartels just got a boost. I hope they win bigly.

[lark]

14. Another step in his kill Americans tour paid for by Pooty and Eloon.

Everything he does is for his personal benefit or to hurt others - those are his only modes. He hates everyone in the working class, even his own voters and would kill us all for pennies if he gets the choice.

[Wonder Why]

15. He's just trying to restore his losses among the MAGAt followers.

[spanone]

16. Crazy motherfuckers.

[617Blue]

17. I don't care anymore. *

[JohnnyRingo]

18. Then it should be called a "Trumper Conversion".

Then whenever there's a lunatic mass shooting his name will be in the news.

[Lullybuy]

19. Hope Supressorors

are removed from NFA with SHUSH bill quickly.

[k_buddy762]

54. Agreed.

[Beck23]

20. They want more shootings

[Swede]

26. 'Make my Glock go full auto': How criminals turn standard firearms into illegal machine guns

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/trump-admin-permits-sale-device-allows-standard-firearms-fire-machine-rcna207395

&t=166s&ab_channel=ABC7Chicago

[TnDem]

29. re: "full auto"

Great emotional argument, except:

1) A forced reset trigger is not full auto
2) Modifying a semi-auto to a full-auto is a Federal Felony
3) This FRT is for a rifle and not a Glock.

Of course, factual specifics doesn't make for good emotional fist-bumping.

[stollen]

28. That's for the militias

and any teenager with a vendetta.

[peggysue2]

34. Exactly what I thought when I read this, stollen

When push comes to shove, Agent Orange wants his minions to have every advantage.

[yellowcanine]

32. We will have "big beautiful guns!"

[2MuchNoise]

37. A man came up to me, a big man, a big strong man, a big, strong man who knows guns...

a big, strong man who knows guns, he had tears in his eyes and he said sir, sir, please sir I want to tell you how I feel about reset triggers
I said sorry, sorry big, strong man I can't listen to you...you're too emotional.

[Brother Buzz]

35. So, like, are bump stocks now passé?

[TnDem]

41. re: bump stocks

Bump stocks are already stupid and were always "passe".

You can do the same thing with a shoestring...YouTube videos abound with shoestring bumpstocks.

[Kaleva]

36. One sentence in the article isn't true

“Machine guns have been illegal in the United States since 1986, a notion that even gun rights groups have come to accept.“



They are legal to own. Do a search on YouTube and you’ll find no shortage of vids showing people firing their privately owned machine guns.

[TnDem]

40. re: machine guns

Correct, in 1986 the FOPA was passed which essentially banned any new manufacture of transferable class 3 devices, aka "machine guns".

Machine guns that were already in the registry post 1934 and 1937 till 1986 on a form 3 or form 4 are still transferable with a US Treasury tax stamp of $200 per firearm, plus the price of the machinegun.....Which would start around $30,000 each for a pre-86 transferable weapon.

So, yep...If you have $30,000 to $50,000+ laying around for a legal machinegun, then you can buy one once you clear a US Treasury tax stamp.

[Kaleva]

43. With the proper license, those restrictions don't apply

“As an FFL, you can buy a brand new machine gun for less than $2,000 and have it transferred to you in a few days.”

https://rocketffl.com/who-can-own-a-full-auto-machine-gun/

[TnDem]

44. Uh, not exactly

Incorrect...I didn't read your link, but I already know how it works...it's not that simple at all.

In order to buy a new manufacture or post 86 machinegun or dealer sample, you have to have a Class 3 FFL which is not the standard pawn shop FFL. Also, the post 86 firearm you buy is ONLY transferable to other Class 3 FFL's or as a "dealer sample" for law enforcement agencies....It is NOT transferable to an individual.

The only way an individual can buy a TRANSFERABLE machinegun is to buy it through a Federal C&R FFL, where it has to meet this criteria...."Over 50 years old and/or historically significant"...Even then, the gun has to already be on the registry and/or 1968 amnesty...The cost for C&R machineguns starts at around $25,000 per gun....You are not really paying for the gun as much as you are the privilege to own the gun through the registry.

[Kaleva]

45. What you are saying doesn't refute what I said

I said it’s still legal to own a machine gun and I said that with the proper license, one can buy a new one (post ‘86). Your argument that they aren’t transferable, with the exceptions you listed, doesn’t refute anything I said.

[TnDem]

46. Uh, yes it does because they aren't transferable

Yes, IF you have a Class 3 FFL dealer, your business/LLC/S-Corp can buy a post-sample for possible LE sales....

No, the class 3 weapon is it not transferable except to a law enforcement agency or another Class 3 dealer....No one can buy a machinegun that is not already on the registry for their own personal collection....PERIOD

Yes, machineguns are available for sale and transfer but they are only available on an ATF Form 3 or Form 4 for a personal collection....Get ready to spend five figures for one.

[k_buddy762]

56. Five, six, or even seven figures

depending on what you are lookin at.

Class 3 FFLs must pay a Special Operators Tax and are subject to additional scrutiny. Regular (usually annual) inspections by the ATF are conducted, sometimes with little warning to the dealer, and the dealer is expected to abide by the law *to the letter* or he faces prison. Federal regulation of legal machineguns is extremely tight. The ranges, dealers, businesses, etc that maintain an inventory of legal machineguns have been extremely well vetted by the Federal government.

[Kaleva]

58. You are fixated on the gun being transferable

But if you just want the post 1986 gun or guns for yourself, then you can do it by getting the proper license and pay dealer cost.

[TnDem]

59. re: Class 3 law

That's because you don't want to admit that the only experience you have with this subject is Google and not real life, which is obvious to anyone that knows this subject matter.... I have been involved with this for almost 40 years, so I have a little more experience with it than you do.

As a Class 3 dealer, YOU do not own the gun, the business/LLC/S-Corp owns the gun.... Just because you are holding a Post-86 sample that your company bought for possible sales to a law enforcement agency, it doesn't mean it is your personal gun. If you decide to close your shop, you cannot keep the gun because it belongs to the SOT/FFL, (Special Occupancy Tax holder). If you close your business, then you can then do one of several things....1) Surrender the gun to the BATFE or destroy it, 2) Transfer it to a local LE agency or 3) Sell it to another FFL/SOT as a dealer sample for them to offer an LE agency.

If you buy a TRANSFERABLE Class 3 firearm on the registry as an individual (even if you are a dealer), then you own the gun to do whatever you want with it...Post 86 firearms do not fall in that category.

Bottom line, you, I, Trump or Biden or the Dalai Lama cannot legally personally own a Class 3 firearm personally unless we buy it from the limited 1934-1968 Class 3 weapons that are already on the registry.

There are no more transferables entered into the registry WHATSOEVER,, PERIOD. This is codified in law GCA 1968....A Class 3 firearm is wildly regulated and in a whole other world compared to a simple AR15 that you bought at Rural King for $500.

I am not "fixated" on transferable...That term simply IS the definition of whether or not the gun is even allowed to be owned by anyone. If it isn't transferable, then you don't own it.

[Kaleva]

60. My father didn't own the small dairy farm he operated

It was owned by a corporation of which he had majority shares. Me and my brothers had minority shares. For all practical purposes, my father “owned” the farm even though legally he didn’t as an individual.

When my father passed away, I inherited his shares.

I know how this works.

[TnDem]

61. No, you don't

If your father was a Class 3 dealer and he passed away, you wouldn't inherit the post 86 Class 3 firearms...No one would without a Class 3 license with SOT.

They would have to be be sold to another Class 3 dealer, police department or turned back in to the BATFE. They are not like a regular AR15, which doesn't even have to be transferred whatsoever.. Your father could literally own hundreds of firearms and none would have to be transferred federally to anyone...Just hand them out at probate.

Class 3 weapons are each on a registry with a certain number and classification and are not transferable period. They are not a "minority share", or a classic Mustang, Glock, AR15 or a Stradivarius.

You just don't understand how it works.

[Kaleva]

62. But you admit that my father could have owned them?

I wouldn’t care if they weren’t transferable to me

[TnDem]

65. Can you admit you are wrong?

Is always being right whenever you know you're wrong that important?

If you can't sell it, inherit it or claim it, you don't own it....You are either total missing the facts or being intentionally obtuse?

[Ping Tung]

38. Will the devices have "For Aryans Only" restrictions on them?

[k_buddy762]

64. 3D printed "glock switches"

are in every "urban" neighborhood in America. Are you sure you want to bring (totally irrelevant) race into this argument?

[Nictuku]

39. I would not mind one bit if this becomes one of his biggest ironies

[Greywing]

42. I agree

[B.See]

48. Rule of thumb:

If it's something that Trump and MAGA want, it can't be good.

[Initech]

51. The Fox News MAGA conspiracy theory GOP wants us all dead.

[Kid Berwyn]

52. This is what the Proud Boys standing by have been waiting for.

The big round up.

Thanks, Putin.

[Norrrm]

57. Trump says bump stocks make the gun into a machine gun. Will ban them?

Trump says bump stocks make the gun into a machine gun.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-announces-bump-stock-type-devices-final-rule

Justice Sotomayor Torches Conservative Members of SCOTUS Over Bump Stock Ruling

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219035760
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https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141997829

"Trump is taking steps toward banning gun bump stocks and strengthening background checks for gun purchasers," it says. "The President has made his intent very clear: 'making our schools and our children safer will be our top priority.'"

Trump will tell any lie, any story, if it will bring him money.