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nitpicked

(1,209 posts)
Thu May 15, 2025, 09:16 AM May 15

Denver Airport Outage: Air Traffic Control Lost Contact With Up To 20 Pilots For 6 Minutes On Monday, Reports Say

https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2025/05/15/denver-airport-outage-air-traffic-control-lost-contact-with-up-to-20-pilots-for-6-minutes-on-monday-reports-say/

An outage at Denver International Airport caused air traffic controllers and pilots to lose contact Monday, following a series of recent radar outages at New Jersey’s Newark Liberty International Airport that have raised concerns over flight safety in U.S. airspace.

As many as 20 pilots flying into the Denver International Airport on Monday afternoon lost contact with air traffic controllers for up to six minutes due to multiple radio transmitter outages, an ABC affiliate in Denver reported.

The incident follows a series of equipment failures at New Jersey’s Newark Airport, including an air traffic control equipment outage Sunday that lasted about 45 minutes and two telecommunications outages on April 28 and May 9, during which air traffic controllers lost contact with planes they were guiding to land at the airport.
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Denver Airport Outage: Air Traffic Control Lost Contact With Up To 20 Pilots For 6 Minutes On Monday, Reports Say (Original Post) nitpicked May 15 OP
Thanks, Dumpy. Dave Bowman May 15 #1
Thanks Obama! Akacia May 15 #12
So many of these floated around wolfie001 May 15 #16
How can we blame Mayor Pete? superpatriotman May 15 #2
Want to blame Rebl2 May 15 #11
Or go back to Reagan, who fired masses of air traffic controllers to break the union. Lonestarblue May 15 #29
True Rebl2 May 15 #39
Thanks, Musk! You'll kill someone yet! marble falls May 15 #3
WTF is going on................ Lovie777 May 15 #4
Exactly what I was going to post... PCIntern May 15 #6
DOGE was there monkeying around travelingthrulife May 15 #9
The doge cyber attacks... 2naSalit May 15 #14
Prolly. ❤️ littlemissmartypants May 15 #26
SLEEPY JOE!!!! CROOKED HILLARY!!! BUTTERY MALES!!! CLENIS!!!!! hatrack May 15 #5
Don't forget khakis, lockboxes and tan suits ms liberty May 15 #21
Talking points revealed on tonight's Hannity featuring Sean Duffy fellating Trump. Initech May 15 #37
Jake Tapper will investigate Old Joe Biden's role in this FUBAR. 617Blue May 15 #7
Great job, DOGE boys! travelingthrulife May 15 #8
Sean Duffy, I believe this is your department. milestogo May 15 #10
Another crash! 2naSalit May 15 #15
Its only a matter of days. milestogo May 15 #20
"Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who!!" hatrack May 15 #23
Democrats RJ-MacReady May 15 #13
We are going to be terrorized Hornedfrog2000 May 15 #17
We already are blubunyip May 15 #45
Does anyone know what the protocol for pilots is in that situation? nt LAS14 May 15 #18
Keep flying! ZDU May 15 #34
Somethings up here. MontanaMama May 15 #19
I don't feel so worried that I haven't got my Real ID yet. 70sEraVet May 15 #22
Radio guy here gay texan May 15 #24
Our radios have backups to the backups. SoCal Roomba May 15 #35
The sad thing gay texan May 15 #42
I know the TDLS well. SoCal Roomba May 15 #43
One of the best stories gay texan May 15 #46
If this keeps up Joe Biden is going to cause a deadly crash. JohnnyRingo May 15 #25
G.O.P. has totally fouled the skies since Jan. 20 BoRaGard May 15 #27
I'm suspicious SpankMe May 15 #28
Is someone testing their ability to shut down our air traffic? patphil May 15 #30
The story I read last night indicated it was old equipment & staffing issues. CrispyQ May 15 #31
I like their twisted logic to blame Biden admin for these problems IronLionZion May 15 #32
DOGE. DOGE. DOGE. ZDU May 15 #33
Thanks Fox News for foisting this nightmare administration and your absolutely worthless cabinet on us! Initech May 15 #36
For Trumpers like Scott Duffy blaming Biden, boonecreek May 15 #38
holy crap! nt orleans May 15 #40
Since the DOGE hackers destroyed the US govt, it has been downhill. Irish_Dem May 15 #41
Well that sucks proud patriot May 15 #44

wolfie001

(5,016 posts)
16. So many of these floated around
Thu May 15, 2025, 11:02 AM
May 15

Stoopid rePUKES couldn't figure out we were laughing at them.

Rebl2

(16,389 posts)
11. Want to blame
Thu May 15, 2025, 10:13 AM
May 15

someone, go back 30 or more years. Upgrades should have started under gw bush.

Lonestarblue

(12,630 posts)
29. Or go back to Reagan, who fired masses of air traffic controllers to break the union.
Thu May 15, 2025, 11:31 AM
May 15

Trump/Musk have fired so many people that I’ve lost track, but weren’t a large number of radar maintenance technicians fired? I know they brought back some of the controllers, but maybe not the maintenance workers.

PCIntern

(27,351 posts)
6. Exactly what I was going to post...
Thu May 15, 2025, 09:34 AM
May 15

Is there some insidious attack on the software? Are we at cyber war with someone? This is not OK and has never happened with this frequency to my recollection.

hatrack

(62,539 posts)
5. SLEEPY JOE!!!! CROOKED HILLARY!!! BUTTERY MALES!!! CLENIS!!!!!
Thu May 15, 2025, 09:33 AM
May 15

In 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . . .

milestogo

(20,623 posts)
20. Its only a matter of days.
Thu May 15, 2025, 11:11 AM
May 15

You can't operate a system like this and expect things to go perfectly.

RJ-MacReady

(569 posts)
13. Democrats
Thu May 15, 2025, 10:16 AM
May 15

Need to be out there everyday screaming about this and blaming trump and Elon for it. Because it's their fault.

Hornedfrog2000

(205 posts)
17. We are going to be terrorized
Thu May 15, 2025, 11:04 AM
May 15

Mentally, and physically by these people. They are opening the gates to us being attacked.

gay texan

(2,997 posts)
24. Radio guy here
Thu May 15, 2025, 11:23 AM
May 15

These systems incorperated VOIP transmitter control which is a bad idea.

Lose the network, lose the radio.

For anything this critical, you need a physical backup radio

SoCal Roomba

(67 posts)
35. Our radios have backups to the backups.
Thu May 15, 2025, 12:03 PM
May 15

Everything is physical and remote. There is no voip tx, yet. Which means they are fed into facilities via telco. I haven’t seen what the cause of this outage was yet, but dollars to donuts they either already had some main radios down and lost the telco feed to the backups, or they lost the telco feed for all the radios for that frequency.

The problem is with this and Newark, and numerous other outages that don’t make the news is infrastructure, and the contract to maintain our lines is handled by L3/Harris, who recently lost the contract to Verizon, now tasked with moving everything to a fiber backbone, who are being threatened by Musk who wants to move Starlink into the fold, which will suck because its satellite based, which makes me think Musk just wants his hands on the fiber backbone that Verizon has been working on, albeit slowly.

gay texan

(2,997 posts)
42. The sad thing
Thu May 15, 2025, 02:23 PM
May 15

Is i remember when everything was handled in house by the FAA.

The company i worked for wanted the FAA's money so bad that they bent over promising them the world yet delivered two systems that were crap. TDLS and Gulfnet. Gulfnet was horrible because they were feeding audio to two transmitters via crap copper lines in Cancun and Merida, Mexico.

When i left the biz in 2010, they were trying to sell them on a Voip system using Avtec consoles

SoCal Roomba

(67 posts)
43. I know the TDLS well.
Thu May 15, 2025, 04:04 PM
May 15

It has become a jack of all trades system. Does a lot of different things, but none particularly well.

gay texan

(2,997 posts)
46. One of the best stories
Thu May 15, 2025, 04:53 PM
May 15

We were responsible for the CRT computer monitors for TDLS among other things.

A monitor went out at the tower in ELP so, i loaded up a monitor, flew out to El Paso, rented a car, installed the monitor, got a hotel, got per diem, and flew back home the next day.

You cant POSSIBLY convince me that saved money for the US taxpayer.

We were so happy when we lost that contract.

Katrina took out VERN and Gulfnet.

JohnnyRingo

(19,939 posts)
25. If this keeps up Joe Biden is going to cause a deadly crash.
Thu May 15, 2025, 11:25 AM
May 15

I'm not sure how yet, but I imagine Sean Hannity and Jesse Watters already have the script.

BoRaGard

(5,552 posts)
27. G.O.P. has totally fouled the skies since Jan. 20
Thu May 15, 2025, 11:29 AM
May 15

what a pack of dangerous anti-science losers the repubes have become

SpankMe

(3,477 posts)
28. I'm suspicious
Thu May 15, 2025, 11:29 AM
May 15

Or, rather, paranoid. DEN is a more modern airport with slightly better infrastructure than these older airports in the east. These outages are eerily similar and there has been no information released about the causes.

My paranoia radar is considering the possibility that these are dry runs for paralyzing the air traffic system for some future, nefarious purpose. This could be from a foreign actor, or from an internal actor preparing for a manufactured calamity that could be used to assert Nazi-like control of society.

patphil

(7,856 posts)
30. Is someone testing their ability to shut down our air traffic?
Thu May 15, 2025, 11:33 AM
May 15

Is it a foreign or domestic enemy?
Is Musk looking for a chance to get a several hundred billion dollar contract to rebuild what he just broke, or has a government or terrorist group gotten into the air traffic control system?
I'm putting my money on Musk and the DOGE boys. All this is happening right after they attacked our Federal Agencies, and looted the systems.
The systems definitely need to be overhauled, but I wouldn't trust Musk to do a proper job.

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/mo/st-louis/transportation/2025/05/08/white-house-air-traffic-control-overhaul-trump-duffy

CrispyQ

(39,695 posts)
31. The story I read last night indicated it was old equipment & staffing issues.
Thu May 15, 2025, 11:45 AM
May 15

The outage occurred at the Denver Air Route Traffic Control Center in Longmont, CO.

Outage leaves up to 20 pilots headed to Denver airport unable to contact air traffic control on Monday
By: Tony Kovaleski
Posted 4:49 PM, May 14, 2025

https://www.denver7.com/news/investigations/outage-leaves-up-to-20-pilots-headed-to-denver-airport-unable-to-contact-air-traffic-control-on-monday

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...the outage occurred around 2 p.m., leaving between 15 and 20 aircraft unable to communicate with air traffic control during a critical time. A controller eventually was able to contact one pilot on what’s called a guard line — which is typically used when a pilot is in distress — and that pilot was able to contact the other aircraft to tell them to change frequencies.

One inside source said that four frequencies from the two main towers at the Longmont center were already out of service. Air traffic controllers were communicating with pilots on a backup fifth frequency, which then went out.

more...

Riley said that aging infrastructure and low staffing has been a consistent issue for the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), and he speculated that this incident could be a direct result of having old equipment.

“It's not acceptable. And the biggest problem is the fact that the FAA does not have stable funding to replace this equipment and maintain it in an appropriate fashion,” Riley said.

Well, that won't get any better under Trump & repubs, that's for sure.

IronLionZion

(48,916 posts)
32. I like their twisted logic to blame Biden admin for these problems
Thu May 15, 2025, 11:45 AM
May 15

as if Biden and Buttigieg were so carefully diabolical to plan the problems to start after they left office.

Or DEI. Or anything other than firing workers despite already having issues with understaffing. DOGE is finding so much fraud, waste, and abuse like that.

"Nobody wants to work anymore"

Initech

(104,940 posts)
36. Thanks Fox News for foisting this nightmare administration and your absolutely worthless cabinet on us!
Thu May 15, 2025, 12:03 PM
May 15

Fuck you and may the whole damn lot of you rot in the hottest of hells!

Irish_Dem

(69,993 posts)
41. Since the DOGE hackers destroyed the US govt, it has been downhill.
Thu May 15, 2025, 12:39 PM
May 15

The hackers are going to get people killed.

proud patriot

(101,970 posts)
44. Well that sucks
Thu May 15, 2025, 04:08 PM
May 15

My aunt and uncle are visiting me in Hawaii , they fly home to Denver Today ..

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